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East Webber Trail #289 - 13 members in 29 triplogs have rated this an average 3.6 ( 1 to 5 best )
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Aug 06 2022
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 Tempe, AZ
East Webber Loop, AZ 
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chumleyTriplogs 1,703
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I hadn't ever done anything in this area save for car camping below the scout camp a decade or more ago, so I pieced together a loop similar to something Bruce and Joe had done about the time of that last car camp here :sweat: .

The forecast called for some showers but they stayed away, and in fact the climb up TS would have been nice with a dark cloud over us as it was a little bit warm in the exposed upper section in the sun.

Upper East Webber was a fun scramble. There was just a trickle of water flowing along the way until the real creek flow began at the spring. Obstacles were bypassed a few times, and there's a lot of hand work to negotiate downed trees and such.

As expected, the real "trail" at the bottom is overgrown and unmaintained. 9L really enjoyed frolicking in the poison ivy! :D

There were two guys picking raspberries near the deepest pool, and we encountered a group of three hazzers on a separate loop near the Turkey junction.

Up top, I detoured us to the PHX --> 75 sign which I had never inspected up close before.

Quick work on the road back to the truck and a solid day complete.
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 Tucson, Arizona
East Webber Creek, AZ 
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From Flagstaff I headed to Sanders to stop and get yarn at Burnham Trading post then we headed to Petrified Forest for a short visit before heading to Payson. The next day in Payson we took the Geronimo Trail to East Webber. We took the East Webber a little over 2 miles before turning around.

Both trails are in good condition. I remember the Geronimo Trail when I hiked it before and was once again surprised by how much uphill there is going in. I don't mind the uphill but when you start a hike and think its a gentle walk upstream it takes you by surprise or maybe after doing the West Webber/Turkey Spring Loop up to the rim the uphill seamed like nothing. There was no one on the trail and both West and East Webber had a light flow. Stopped at our turn around point took a break and soaked our feet, boy the water was cold. Some day I will have to finish up East Webber maybe from the rim since the Rim View Trail doesn't seem to exist anymore.

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 Scottsdale, AZ
Rim View Webber Loop, AZ 
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outdoor_loverTriplogs 577
Hiking12.00 Miles 2,500 AEG
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1st trip
This Hike will go into the "What in the h*** was I thinking" Folder. Wrong Loop to do after barely doing anything in the last two weeks.

I can sum this up in 3 sentences.
My Curiosity of this Area has been completely satisfied.
This Loop completely and utterly kicked my Ass.
Of the 4 Trails that I used to create this Loop, 3 of them are definitely a One and Done.

I did this Loop CCW. I wanted to get the Rim View Trail out of the way early on and hopefully before it got too hot. Huh.... It was a good Decision for the former at least. I would have hated leaving this one for the back end. It took me so long to do that Trail that I was in it for most of the heat as well. So glad I brought almost 5 Liters of Water. Drank every drop on this Hike and could have drank more. Webber Creek saved me, I was an overheated, bloody mess by the time I got there. If there had been a swimming hole at that crossing, I would have just gone completely in.

Highline/AZT 26
Whenever the AZT comes into play on a Trail, the maintenance is pretty stellar, at least in the places I've experienced. This Section was no different. Just a Dream to Stroll, Hike and just Cruise along. The ATA has done some impressive work here. I'll compare it to a Wedding.

Rim View Trail BSA
Omg... :sweat: :sweat: :sweat: First, I will tell you that the Highline/Rim View Trail intersection has been moved further north and east. Because of that, the Rim View Trail has been extended and that extension is in great shape. The Trail is marked with green fence poles with the tops painted orange. The first mile or so was great, if the Trail was questionable at all, the poles could usually be found to help with the Route Finding. I'll compare this Section to a Honeymoon. Nice Views and decent Trail. After this Section, the Honeymoon was over. The Vegetation, consisting of Manzanita, Scrub Oak, Locust and even Raspberries, competes with the Love and the Love loses, badly. And so do the Poles. If the Poles didn't completely do a vanishing act in the Vegetation, they were bent or broken to where you still couldn't see them until you were right on top of them. I don't think the rest of this Trail has seen any Love except from the Wildlife, who love it in places, but even they desert it at times and that makes it even worse. If there were new sections of Trail through here, then I guess I was on them, but most of it is gone too. After the 1st hour of basically a bushwack, with some of it actually being on the Trail (which was better), I should have turned around. If I hadn't had a GPS, I would have for sure. But I had gone this far and I was trying to stay optimistic with the chance that at some point, someone had done some work somewhere along here. Besides, turning around meant another hour of crap, just to get back. So I kept going. Someday, my stubborness is going to kill me. The Length of that Trail is roughly 3.6 Miles. With two very short breaks to snack and get some electrolytes, it took me over 6 hours. With the Honeymoon being long over, I was now ready for a Divorce. It was incredibly hard to stay on the Route at all. But I kept trying to stay on the Route, because at times, the Trail was still defined. It was still being taken over by vegetation, but easier to walk through. But those areas would only last 100 feet if I was lucky and then I was trying to follow the path of least resistance that would end, and I would immediately be off Route again. In trying to get back to the Trail, I would try to use some Route Finding and Trail Logic. I was wrong 80% of the time. I soon learned that if in doubt, stay high, and at times, the Route went even higher. But then, Cairns appeared briefly and they went even higher, so I followed and it didn't seem right. I was off Route yet again. No Clue what was up with the Cairns. If Hank and Kyle hadn't put in the Waypoint for the Rock Chute, I'd been hard pressed to find a way down at all. As it was, doing down off that Slope was mostly on my butt. I finally made the Creek. Going into and out of the Creek was the most defined part of the Trail in the last 2 miles. I spent some time sitting in the Creek, cooling down and washing off blood. It was much later than I wanted, but I made the Decision to go for the Spring, up canyon on East Webber. I made it, but it just about finished me off.

East Webber to Spring
There is no defined "intersection" of East Webber and Rim View. No Sign either. But the Trail was nice for a bit at least. And it stayed "defined" for most of the way up towards the Perennial Spring. And there were Pink Ribbons occasionally to help. The Trail is there, but for most of the Hike from the 2nd Water crossing on, it is littered with debris. And when I mean littered, I mean, you can't see the dirt at all. Wood chips, bark chips, wood chunks galore. The Bears are busy in there breaking up and destroying old logs and nobody is cleaning up after them. And let's add quite a few downed trees over the trail. This trail was only about a mile and a half one way, but it became exhausting. It wasn't helpful after what I had just done. The Route shows that you can go up to the Spring, but I never saw it and actually went farther up the Trail before I turned around. The Creek is dry at that point. Note to others. Wear pants on this Section. Most of the Vegetation encroaching on the Trail is Raspberries. I wouldn't do this section again unless I could be sure to hit it at the Peak of Autumn. Lots of Maples in here.

East Webber/Geronimo to the TH
By the time I got back to the Webber/Rim View "Intersection", I was physically and mentally fried. And I still had over 4 miles to go with about 2 hours of light left. I had less than a liter of water left and used it with another electrolyte with 3 miles to go. Needless to say, I just put my head down and got it done. I will say that from that intersection to where the Trail turns into a Jeep road, East Webber was a wonderful single track tread and it almost made me euphoric at that point. Once it became a road and eventually merged with Geronimo, it was just ok, but the Forest and Creek were pretty nice through there. Nice road walk if you're in the area and don't have a lot of time. Geronimo was pretty much all Road Walk until just before the end, where you basically merge with the Highline/AZT for the final 1/4 mile or so.

I could have almost cried when I saw the Truck with less than 30 minutes of light left. I was one hurting mess. A cigarette would have been sweet here, but no, I had to settle for downing a cold Powerade I had in the Truck. I'm about 40 days Smoke Free at this point and as hard as it still is, I simply can't give in. I made a deal with myself. The only way I could afford the truck was to give up the smokes. And I sure do enjoy the Truck. I look at it every time I'm having a lot of trouble with a craving. The Reward is worth it and I seem to be not as winded as easily while hiking, so that's always a bonus. :)

Additional Perspective on the Rim Trail. I might do it again if someone paid me, but they would have to dig very very deep. I would recommend this Trail for about a mile as an Out and Back from the Highline, that is all. The rest of it isn't a Trail anymore, it's simply a bushwack. Unless the Forest Service or Boy Scouts come back and say they've completely revamped it or you're simply masochistic, don't do it. And if you're the latter and decide to do it and you want even more punishment, don't take a GPS. You'll adore the Hell you've walked into.
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New Mexico Locust is in full swing. Other bushy Flowers as well. The Raspberries are getting started. One cluster of Indian Paintbrush. Some smaller wildflowers here and there.

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Until north of 2nd unnamed Spring just below the Rim. Then East Webber is dry.

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At the Trail. Although there was a path to the Spring Box, it's getting pretty overgrown with Raspberries, so I didn't check the Spring Box.

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At Webber Trail Crossing

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At Webber Trail Crossing
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 Phoenix, AZ
East Webber loop, AZ 
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ShatteredArmTriplogs 198
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Next in my backlog of "crazy adventures that I'm fine with only doing once" (this backlog goes back years) - the one I'm calling "The old maps say East Webber trail goes all the way to the rim."

Logically, we figured the best place to start when scouting out East Webber is not the closest trailhead (Geronimo), but Pine TH. Gotta get in a little warmup!

So we headed up Highline, then Donahue, then overshot the West Webber turn (despite having come up that trail a billion times - it's an easy one to miss). Heading down West Webber was of course fun. After that, heading east on Geronimo was all new territory (not including the Boy Scout days).

East Webber trail is actually quite nice - verdant and smooth, at least to the turnoff to the springs. We stopped at the "swimming hole" for a few minutes for a dip, but the temperature was a little below "refreshing." The trail gets a little overgrown on the way to Rim View junction. After that, it pretty much disappears completely. We were able to follow a semblance of a path until a big giant boulder field choking the canyon. Seriously considered aborting at this point, but we decided to try heading along the slope above all the nonsense. Found what was probably just a game trail that helped us get a little further up canyon. Paths came and went for the next mile or so, until we hit some nice red slickrock, which was also the upper reaches of the creek's flow. After this, it was just mostly hopping over boulders interrupted by one stretch of decent trail.

We cam to a pour off that looked like it has a couple of possible ways around it. We decided to try and go to the left to avoid it, but it turned out to be the "wrong" decision - we went up way too high, and couldn't easily get back down to the creekbed. So we just kept going up and up, avoiding cliff bands, until we ended up at someone's campsite on top of the rim. Whew.

From here, we jogged Milk Ranch Point Rd to 87, and then down into Pine Canyon (which would provide a much needed water stop). Pine Canyon is beautiful, and even better, it has a good trail. When we got down to the girls camp, we were ready for this adventure to be over - there are two competing trail signs on opposite sides, one that says Pine Canyon TH is 4 miles, and one that says 7 miles.

At one point 4 miles may have been accurate, but over the years they've added a bunch of unnecessarily long, swooping switchbacks that have made this trail a lot of fun for MTBs, but absolute torture for pedestrians. (I may or may not have gotten so annoyed with these flat, crappy switchbacks that I cut through on some of the old alignments. If the FS doesn't like it, then maybe they should've considered other trail users before they gutted it.)

In summary... Beautiful route, East Webber trail does not (continuously) go all the way up to the rim, and I'll probably never do this loop again.
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Highline - Rim View Fail - Webber - Donahue, AZ 
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Me and my squad of one, launched from the Pine TH on a glorious Saturday morning.

This was my first time on this portion of the re-routed Highline #31, since starting the AZT in 2010. It was a clear and pleasant jaunt all the way to the Geronimo TH on this well manicured track. One AZ Black buzzworm woke us up about 5 miles in, sunning itself in the trail. We lounged in the shade by the babbling Webber Creek before continuing on the Highline.

The plan was to loop on the Rim View Trail - BSA, using a 4 year old @Grasshopper/ @Tough_boots track. It started out easy enough following the trail and metal poles. This was probably some scouts work for a merit badge. I don't think it's seen any love since it completion. 1 mile in, we lost the poles and any sign of a trail. We searched higher than the track and found one last pole. In shorts and wasting time with 3ish miles left into the unknown, we retreated.

The Highline back to Gerinimo #240 and the to the gem of the hike, East Webber #289. The forest is beautifully thick with maples. As an added treat, the creek was running up to and past where this trail meets up with the BSA Milk Ranch Trail. After this intersection, the trail gets...steep. We bagged the top a bit after 5pm.

First time on the Donahue #27. Clear and OK up top, gets a bit tight and rocky at the bottom. It was good to be back on the Highline superhighway to the TH.

Great weather in the Rim country made this a good one for me.
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water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water 4 out of 5 Geronimo Spring Gallon + per minute Gallon + per minute
water report recorded in the field on our app Route Scout Water running over trail is best source

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Water running over the trail. You could filter if you had to.

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Catchment is full. Murky, but filterable.

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Running all the way up to and past the BSA Trail.

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 Phoenix, AZ
East Webber via GeronimoPayson, AZ
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Got in a nice quickie camp trip and hike. We drove up Saturday late afternoon and had dinner at THAT Brewery up in Pine, first time there. Good food, and beer selections were awesome, we got the sampler to try out a few different kinds. We found a great car camp spot along FR 440 about a mile before the trailhead and setup a fairly spartan camp since it was just a quick overnight. Sunday morning we loaded up and headed for the Geronimo TH, we got started a bit after 8. Geronimo trail is nice, good gain but never too steep. We saw about 2 dozen elk along the way, most were up closer to Webber creek. The Webber trail was a bit overgrown but nothing too bad, I did count about 15 downed logs along the way to step over or around. Once we got close to the creek there was a feeling like Narnia would be right around the corner, it was reminiscent of my trips up to the Pacific Northwest with pines, spruce, ferns, and berry bushes all over the place. We made the junction with the BSA Rim View trail and started making the trip up. I had read in previous descriptions that this was not completed yet, I guess I was hopeful it would be in better condition since it has been a few years. We found the way up OK, thin trail but there was occasional tags in the trees to guide us. Once we reached about 6300' the trail completely disappeared, and we were basically doing the bushwhack on a fairly steep slope. My partner was none too pleased about this course, and the going was slow. We were planning to bail from the trail and find a way down just as the trail came back and was actually pretty nice. We did divert down the BSA Lower Miller trail since we were short on time to do the whole loop at this point. The Lower Miller trail was great, especially compared to what we had been on...the only bad thing was that the trail put us right on the back door to the Boy Scout camp. We tried to skirt the camp as best as we could, but it seems like we kept getting pulled back in. Thankfully there was no one there that we saw, and we made our way back to the forest boundary without incident. The berry bushes at the TH were fairly picked over, so we just had a victory brew and headed back home. Great area I have never been to before!
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Some Indian Paintbrush blooming, and the berry vines had some color too.
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East Webber Trail #289Payson, AZ
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Highline - AZT #26Payson, AZ
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From Pine, took the Highline east to a nice camp at Geronimo creek. The next day I continued to the Washington Park TH, up the old rd and reached the rim via the Col Devin Trail.

Then it was hiking along the general crook trail, which is almost entirely the rim road, to lee johnson spring, headed down here and this is where it got interesting. Despite what mytopo claims, the east webber trail doesn't reach the rim. It does, however, have one really tough obstacle. I don't know how Joe did this with the Eagle, but right now it's about a 5.7 move on wet sandstone. I thought I might break an ankle. After this there are a few other obstacles but nothing major until you reach the slickrock "spring" area. After this is a half mile gauntlet of blackberry brush and cliff rose, along with a ton of deadfall and even a rockslide. Somewhere in upper East Webber I lost my hiking pole. Maybe someone will find it someday.

Scared up 2 elk and made it to West Webber creek where I realized there are no established campsites anywhere along that trail. The next day I went up to Milk Ranch point and down Donahue and made it back to the TH.
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Light in general, but really amazing displays of purple flowers near Geronimo Creek and East Verde Creeks.


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water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water less than maxwater less than max East Bray Creek @ Highline Light flow Light flow


dry East Verde River - Source Dry Dry
Dry at this point, water was further down canyon


dry Geronimo Spring Dry Dry

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Flowing nicely

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dry Poison Spring Dry Dry
no water near highline trail

water 1 out of 5water less than maxwater less than maxwater less than max Red Rock Spring Dripping Dripping
Both the spring and the spring box had water, neither looked very appetizing.

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dry Turkey Spring Dry Dry
Springbox was dry (and broken) did not investigate the actual spring


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flowing nicely where you cross on the trail
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East Webber via GeronimoPayson, AZ
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Nice loop hike. Used the data posted by Grasshopper, Tough_Boots, and John9L to plan this hike. The cloud cover kept the temps tolerable. I knew there were two ways to access the Rim View Trail, an old and new, we took the old route. A little bit of route finding and dead fall to climb over but not too bad. Great views on the Rim View Trail as you might expect by the name. Had an early lunch at one of the springs that feeds East Webber, very cool area. Wore low cut hikers which worked but I was wishing I would have wore my higher boots for better ankle protection. Also, left my hiking staff at the truck leaned against the tire which I would have liked to have with me. Luckily someone saw it and tossed it in the truck bed; thanks!

Berry report: Slim pickins and of the ripe ones found they were not real plump, although they still tasted pretty good :D

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water less than maxwater less than max East Webber Creek Light flow Light flow
Lighter flow than past years.

water 1 out of 5water less than maxwater less than maxwater less than max Geronimo Spring Dripping Dripping
Small trickle but enough to cross over the trail.

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water 4 out of 5 Un-named Spr(Off TR 289 at 6162ft) Gallon + per minute Gallon + per minute
Really nice flow.
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East Webber Trail #289Payson, AZ
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My dad was volunteering at Camp Geronimo for the week and had an extra room for me at his cabin, so I drove up in the middle of the night after work to spend the weekend with him.

After roaming the camp where I had made so many fond memories as a teenager, I took a quick afternoon hike up East Webber Creek. The hot afternoon called for a dunk in a shockingly cold East Webber pool along the way. Seriously cold water! Headed back into Geronimo afterward to meet the parents at the dining hall. Finished off the evening with a hike on the Geronimo Trail, a Die Hard movie at the cabin and some star photography.

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water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water less than maxwater less than max East Webber Creek Light flow Light flow
Flowing at roughly a few gallons per minute.
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East Webber Trail #289Payson, AZ
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Hiked scouts up the East Webber to the cave, hiked back to camp and took the Border Trail across the back side of camp.
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52 male
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 Peoria, AZ.
Camp Geronimo, AZ 
Camp Geronimo, AZ
 
Hiking avatar Mar 22 2014
RangerTRXTriplogs 172
Hiking4.74 Miles 2,275 AEG
Hiking4.74 Miles   4 Hrs   47 Mns   1.44 mph
2,275 ft AEG   1 Hour   29 Mns Break
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Lower Miller trail to Rim View trail,
Rim View trail up Chief Miller trail to the top of Roosevelt's Peak,
Roosevelt's Peak down Chief Miller back to Rim View trail,
Continued Rim View trail to East Webber trail,
East Webber trail back to Camp Geronimo.
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Oct 18 2013
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77 male
 Joined Dec 28 2006
 Scottsdale, AZ
Rim View Loop, AZ 
Rim View Loop, AZ
 
Hiking avatar Oct 18 2013
GrasshopperTriplogs 560
Hiking7.40 Miles 1,917 AEG
Hiking7.40 Miles   8 Hrs   30 Mns   1.39 mph
1,917 ft AEG   3 Hrs   10 Mns Break
 
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This was a most enjoyable and rewarding Autumn hiking day out of the Tonto NF- Geronimo TH, sharing & experiencing with Kyle for the first time all of this mostly new hiking route.

Since Kyle and my previous July'13 East Webber via Geronimo hike, we had patiently waited three months for hopefully the Geronimo BSA Camp to complete and open their new TH Start and trail alignment.. http://hikearizona.com/photo=350256 for their Rim View Trail-BSA.

In August'13, one of our HAZ members- Uberdroog had completed an out and back hike from the Geronimo TH to connect off-trail with the East Webber Trail #289 via skirting the east and northeast boundary line of the Geronimo BSA Camp. I thought this was an excellent idea and if this partially off-trail route was perfected, would legally allow for avoiding the (in my opinion) boring ~3.5 mile one way Geronimo Trail #240 to reach the needed Trail #289 intersection.

With some additional and valuable advise from HAZ-Uberdroog (thank you!), on HAZ-Route Manager's Satellite and Cal Topo views, I was able to draw-up a GPS planning route for Kyle and I to follow for our first time loop hike attempt this day.

We still had a few unknowns like: would this planned off-trail route to skirt the BSA Camp be too time consuming and not really save us time and mileage vs us just hiking the normally recommended Trail #240? and what was the completion and difficulty status going to be of the new alignment for Rim View Trail-BSA?

Our initial concerns above were proved to be non-issues resolved with our completion of this days' loop hike. It all worked-out well and the present :FG: hiking in this area proved to be just another plus for hiking this loop in October!

We are now pleased to report that this new loop option is recommended for all those who enjoy and are able to off-trail Topo Map/GPS Route Find and who feel they meet or exceed the "difficulty and route finding" levels now published within the stats section of the Rim View Trail-BSA hike description.. http://hikearizona.com/decoder=16817

It should also be noted that we encountered one doable, but could-be risky obstacle on the Rim View Trail section of this loop: http://hikearizona.com/photo.php?ID=367901 (This unexpected "Rock Chute" climb (WP location noted on my GPS Route) with no apparent by-pass could be a show stopper for some as it really has questionable rock and small bush-limb handholds/footholds, is quite steep to climb up (~10' to 12'max), with possibly some loose spree rock).

Both Kyle and I have previously edited our two posted 10/18/13 GPS Loop Routes (mine with key WPs) to provide our recommended hiking routes to download and follow for this new loop hike. We have also geocoded our pic-sets and added additional pic caption notes and tag notes for added clarity.
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[ checklist ] East Webber Creek
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[ checklist ] Autumn - Color Foliage
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Autumn Foliage Observation Substantial
Big Tooth Maple- EXTREME

dry Bear Spring - HighlineTr #31 Dry Dry
Passed by Bear Spring area and noticed a water pipe running above and below ground but did not notice any water pooling or flow.. but we could have missed the actual spring source or water outlet as we did not have time to search the area in more detail.
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Oct 18 2013
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17 male
 Joined Mar 28 2008
 Phoenix, AZ
Rim View Loop, AZ 
Rim View Loop, AZ
 
Hiking avatar Oct 18 2013
Tough_BootsTriplogs 755
Hiking8.50 Miles 2,114 AEG
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2,114 ft AEG
 
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Back in July, Hank and I bushwacked out to East Webber spring. On the way, we saw that the boyscouts re-routed the Rim View but had not yet finished it. They actually hung caution tape across the trail-- so of course, we've been wanting to get back and check it out.

This was a good day to do it-- we thought it might be a good time to catch some fall colors, too. Being tired of hiking that boring Geronimo Trail at the beginning, Hank had the good idea that we should try to bypass it. Another HAZ member had posted a track to East Webber that included a route that skirted the boyscout camp to the east so we thought we would try something similar.

We left the TH and headed east on the Highline until we reached a spur trail going towards the camp heading north. As the trail began to head east we left the trail, headed cross country, dropped into a ravine for a bit and then crossed above to the next ridge. We ran into an old logging road and followed that for a bit. We reached a point where the maps on Hank's GPS showed the road heading uphill following a water pipe northwest up a steep and choked drainage. The track that the other HAZ member had made also followed the pipe. But it seemed that the road headed due north. Not knowing exactly where the road headed, we followed the GPS. That was a total mess. We reached the top and hit the road-- yes that same road :D . I followed it down to make sure it was the same so that we could eventually make a nice track.

The road took us to the well-house that pumps water down to the boyscout camp. At this point we would need to start skirting the private land. We located the fence line and luckily there is a worn path on the public side. To our surprise, that path turns into a full-blown trail complete with vegetation information signs. We would later realize that this is the Lower Miller Trail which follows along East Webber Creek. The trail all of the sudden begins to head up and away from the creek so we took a spur trail down and across the creek. Now we would begin our bushwack to the East Webber Trail. Its not too bad and we made it to the trail fairly quickly and came out close to the Geronimo intersection. We headed to the new Rim View intersection and stopped for lunch before heading off to the unknown.

The new reroute takes off quickly across the creek and you begin ascending gradually. It soon becomes steeper and steeper and steeper. The trail is mostly obvious for a while and there are usually ribbons to keep you on track-- though there are a few spots where you really have to scan to find the ribbons. There is also one unexpected and challenging little climb up a rock schute.

Then the trail all of the sudden seemed to end and we were a couple hundred feet below where we would need to be to connect with the finished trail that I had been on with 9L a while back. We scanned around for ribbons and couldn't find any. We pushed on and soon saw that going across the next ravine would not be possible-- so we headed straight up. It was steep but a doable bushwack and we hit trail.

I thought at first that I had already reached my and 9L's route from before because the trail was clear and flagged in both directions but Hank pointed out that we were still lower than the old route. Hank and I must have missed a connection and later regretted not hiking down to see where it led. Its possible that 9L and I had been bushwacking at that point and taken it too high. From that point on, the trail would once again be easy to follow-- marked with flags and poles.

We then came across a sign for the Lower Miller Trail which heads straight downhill. Looking at my GPS, I saw that we were directly above where we left the trail paralleling the boyscout fence line and thought they must be the same trail-- this was later verified by a boyscout group backpacking on the Highline. We then took the trail all the way to the Highline and headed back to the trailhead.

The Rim View Trail had some wonderful fall color and opens up to some big views taking you under interesting rock spires. Its definitely worth doing a few times and I hope it starts getting some use. The route we took really exposed us to some new trails and I can't wait to go back with new loop ideas incorporating the Lower Miller Trail.

Its exciting when you think you've completely explored an area and it suddenly becomes bigger. This will be my last trip there this year but I can't wait to go back in the spring. Thanks to Hank for the hike and a great new route.

linked GPS route is edited and cleaned up.
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[ checklist ] East Webber Creek
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Aug 13 2013
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37 male
 Joined Jul 01 2013
 Payson, az
East Webber via GeronimoPayson, AZ
Payson, AZ
Hiking avatar Aug 13 2013
guyinthewoodsTriplogs 14
Hiking9.56 Miles 1,544 AEG
Hiking9.56 Miles   5 Hrs   25 Mns   1.98 mph
1,544 ft AEG      35 Mns Break
 
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When I hiked Turkey trail #217 a couple weeks ago, I had some great views from the top of Milk Ranch point all the way over to East Webber creek as I looked across to the canyon down below. I remember thinking that the area really looked like it was worth checking out, so fast forward to this morning and we hit the trail at a little past 8am after parking at Geronimo trailhead. The first couple miles on #240 were boring, as expected, but things started to get nicer once we got to the start of East Webber trail. It was a pretty warm & sunny day, so the numerous stream crossings provided lots of opportunities to splash some cold water on our faces.

The way up was mostly a gradual climb through the ferns and blackberries. Things started to get badly overgrown pretty quick, and the thorny berry bushes lining the trail were worse than any catclaw I've ever waded through. The vines were drooping across the trail at face height, which made for slow travel as the trail continued past the "swimming hole" into the denser undergrowth. At about the 4.75 mile mark we lost the trail completely, and decided to head back.

Just a bit after turning around, we chose to head up a pink-ribboned spur trail heading to the north that I noticed on the way up. I was glad we did, because it led right to a spring that was gushing cold water right from the bottom of a cool looking cliff. I'm not sure what this spring is called, I can't find it on any of the forest service maps that I have.

In the future I'd like to attempt the BSA Rim View loop over to Highline, but the fact that there seem to be 2 different junctions for the Rim View trail left me a bit confused about which is the correct trail. I use the term "trail" loosely here because at both intersections it didn't look like there was much of a path to follow at all.
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Jul 20 2013
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52 male
 Joined Nov 20 1996
 Phoenix, AZ
East Webber Canyon - Turkey Trail Loop, AZ 
East Webber Canyon - Turkey Trail Loop, AZ
 
Hiking avatar Jul 20 2013
joebartelsTriplogs 5,286
Hiking11.76 Miles 2,286 AEG
Hiking11.76 Miles   8 Hrs   48 Mns   1.51 mph
2,286 ft AEG   1 Hour    Break
 
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Finally pushed down East Webber from the rim. Nothing technical, just slow going. We went even slower taking photos every fifty yards. The beauty is a step up from anything in the area. Aspens at the top. Dark canyon colors. Old healthy trees. A few stacked rock obstacles nothing really sculptured. Based on past bear encounters we probably heard a bear but couldn't pin down his location. To the spring and back would be a nice hike in itself.

Turkey Trail #217 is now an actual "trail" again in very good condition! My 2007 visit was after a fire wiped out the switchbacks.

Only 1 hour above 80 degrees based on Bruce's garmin sensor. Nice puffy clouds kept the sun on simmer. It rained notably more on the rim when we were in the canyon. I noticed this happened on previous days reviewing rain totals prior to our hike. The rim is a solid dividing line.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjawWmS4bE8
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Indian Paintbrush, red penstemon, wiry lotus, columbine, Red Cinquefoil, Arizona Thistle

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water less than maxwater less than max East Webber Creek Light flow Light flow
typical light flow, clean and plenty to filter

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water less than max Turkey Spring Gallon per minute Gallon per minute
at least a gallon per minute right out of pipe
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Jul 20 2013
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66 male
 Joined Jan 20 2009
 Far NE Phoenix,
East Webber Canyon-Turkey Trail Loop, AZ 
East Webber Canyon-Turkey Trail Loop, AZ
 
Hiking avatar Jul 20 2013
The_EagleTriplogs 1,936
Hiking13.76 Miles 2,500 AEG
Hiking13.76 Miles   8 Hrs   48 Mns   1.76 mph
2,500 ft AEG   1 Hour    Break16 LBS Pack
 
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A week short of a year ago, Joe and I started a 27 mile 14 hour hike from Hell. The ultimate goal that day was to get to the Slick-rock spring area up in East Webber Canyon. We abandoned the last 1/4 mile of this search due to a combination of heavy prickly wet growth, Rain/Lightning, Mud, and bad attitudes.

I vowed never to go to this area again. Roll forward 51 weeks, and what hike do I plan?

We smartly started on top of the rim, parking just down FR6107 from Lee Johnson Spring.

What an extremely pretty canyon this is going through. Joe remembered going partway down this canyon years ago and getting stopped at one point. There really was nothing that bad going down. Whenever there was a large drop or obstacle, there was a way around it. We took our time, getting "Tibber Finger" from all the photos.

Just prior to reaching the slick-rock area, we started finding clues of the old trail. The slick-rock area is very lush. Green, Green, Green.

Next, the only part of this trail that would keep me from coming back. (yea, that's what I said last year). It only lasts for a 1/2 mile, but it is a half mile of thick, prickly, wet, overgrown, leg grabbing flora.

Once past here, it's clear sailing. On the way past Camp Geronimo, it sounded like the Boy Scouts at were practicing for their Merit Badges on Shot Guns, Semi-Auto Rifles, and pistols.

We took our lunch on the Turkey Trail at Turkey Spring. The Turkey trail is a winner in my book, the "Rocky Outcropping", at 6900' and about 350' shy of the rim, is another definite plus on this trail. It's a short .8 mile from the western TH for the Turkey Trail. Take some time to climb on the boulders and take is the views of the valley below and Rim.

We bailed on the planned trek around and close to the rim, because of impending storms and Locust. I'd like to try this again sometime.

Two main highlights on this one, the drop down East Webber Canyon and the Rocky Outcrop.
If we could get that 1/2 mile of crap cleared, it had book possibilities.


Video== :next: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIslPN4Dxfc
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Flowing water from the spring on down

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Plenty of filterable water

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water less than max Turkey Spring Gallon per minute Gallon per minute
Drank directly out of the pipe. Still alive today.
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Jul 12 2013
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 Joined Dec 28 2006
 Scottsdale, AZ
East Webber via GeronimoPayson, AZ
Payson, AZ
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GrasshopperTriplogs 560
Hiking10.45 Miles 2,088 AEG
Hiking10.45 Miles   8 Hrs   30 Mns   1.61 mph
2,088 ft AEG   2 Hrs    Break
 
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After moving to the Phoenix area for my retirement in year 2004, one of my first spring and summer hiking areas north of Phoenix that I frequented was this Tonto NF area below our Mogollon Rim just southeast of Pine, AZ, hiking out-of the convenient access "Geronimo TH". Between April'06 and April'07 I returned to this area five times (a couple of times with topohiker) and other times solo to just enjoy the solitude and lush beauty of this higher elevation area with multiple hiking trails to choose from.

From summer 2007 to the present, I started venturing out to other Arizona and out-of-state hiking areas and just lost touch with my favorite hike out of the Geronimo TH- the "East Webber Trail #289". As the years passed from 2007, I continued to follow other HAZ member posts for this Trail #289 and was sad to hear that due to this lush, riparian areas continuing overgrowth/tree downfall with lack of trail maintenance through the years, that no HAZer had been able to successfully post a complete out and back Trail #289 triplog/photoset/GPS Route for other hikers to consider.

After returning from my June'13 one week vehicle camping and hiking trip on our upper Mogollon Rim and with my need to cancel my previously planned one week July return visit, I started re-thinking past good memories, and I recalled that our HAZ- tough_boots(Kyle) also enjoyed hiking this lower Mogollon Rim trails area. He and I made contact and almost immediate plans to visit this area again and to attempt a successful hike of the entire East Webber Trail #289 out and back.

Our successful hike this day was very rewarding and with Kyle's detailed (with trail conditions) triplog, our both now posted "official" GPS Routes to download/follow, and my attached geocoded photoset with detailed reference captions and tag notes, hopefully we can entice those interested and qualified who have not before considered this area, to give this hike a try! I do believe that John9L summed it up best with his comment on Kyle's triplog:
John9L wrote:This is a great area :)

Also, as an added bonus for those interested in all the hiking trail options available in this area, with help from our HAZ- "Route Manager", I have complied the following "official" GPS Route-Hiking Trails summary with all "key" Way Points noted for our future reference and download as required.. http://hikearizona.com/map.php?QX=2872 This hiking area has a lot to offer :D
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Jul 12 2013
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 Phoenix, AZ
East Webber via GeronimoPayson, AZ
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Tough_BootsTriplogs 755
Hiking11.32 Miles 2,041 AEG
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Hank and I both wanted to get all the way out to the spring at the end of East Webber. The only problem, though, is that the last stretch of trail has been overgrown and mostly gone for a few years since the boyscouts have stopped doing maintenance that far-- they seem to be putting all their efforts into finishing the Rimview Trail.

We got an early start and hit the trails. On the drive up, I had begun to hope the berries were in season and ready to eat but was disappointed that the ones close to the trailhead were still green. Luckily further down the trail, they were perfect for eating and we got free snacks all day long.

We made pretty good time on the dull stretch that takes you past the boyscout camp and made our way to the East Webber Trail. Once hitting the lush area, we quickly saw something interesting. The boyscouts are re-routing the Rimview Trail. It used to begin much further down the East Webber Trail. They have a new sign up but it warns hikers that it is under construction and not to use it. 9L and I had taken the Rimview last year from its original starting point so I knew that the stretch closest to the Highline was well maintained but near East Webber it is a mess. I look forward to them finishing the new route and can't wait to explore it on another hike. This new East Webber-Highline Loop is going to be a fantastic new option.

Hank and I eventually made it to the old East Webber / Rimview junction. This is where we knew the going would get tough. Instantly, the trail is swallowed up. We slowly made our way through the brush-- avoiding sharp blackberry bushes and looking for old wood-cuts. We looked for any signs of old trail. There were sections where the old trail was easy to follow but those would soon disappear and we'd work to find the route again. The most important thing to watch out for is the big drainage that comes in from the right-- you don't want to accidentally follow that one.

Well, we made it to the spring. Its a beautiful area and well worth the effort. We stopped and ate lunch to refuel. Bad weather started looming in the distance so we decided to head back and hopefully we'd be done bushwacking before we got rained on. The rain hit just before we found easy trail again so our timing was good. We quickly headed back to the trailhead. Small bits or lightning was a little unsettling but I don't think anything was too close. It was mostly the mud that became an issue-- the kind that sticks to your boots and weighs you down. The rain stopped and we made it back to the trailhead. It was a great hike and hopefully the first of many with Hank-- I think that new Rimview is definitely going to be in the future sometime :)
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Jun 26 2013
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 Scottsdale, AZ
Pine Canyon / Geronimo LoopPayson, AZ
Payson, AZ
Hiking avatar Jun 26 2013
topohikerTriplogs 2,616
Hiking29.68 Miles 5,459 AEG
Hiking29.68 Miles   12 Hrs   42 Mns   2.86 mph
5,459 ft AEG   2 Hrs   20 Mns Break
 
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Mike and I started out at the Pine TH and did a longer loop this week. We took the Pine trail to the rim. Along the way we surprised by a black rattler hiding in some rocks :scared: . We warned a group of people coming down with a dog about the snake. We took the Gen. Crook and forest roads over to Milk Ranch point and had lunch at the West Weber trail. We saw about 6~8 people with dogs climbing up the West Weber.


We milled around a bit before heading back on the Highline trail. When the sun dropped, the super moon took over. It was great hiking by moon light until the trees obscured it.
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