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Oct 13 2018
chumley
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46 male
 Joined Sep 18 2002
 Tempe, AZ
Red Hills Needle CanyonPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
Hiking avatar Oct 13 2018
chumley
Hiking14.01 Miles 2,015 AEG
Hiking14.01 Miles   5 Hrs   47 Mns   2.50 mph
2,015 ft AEG      11 Mns Break
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1st trip
Not sure how this defaults to a canyoneering trip, but whatevs. (I mean, I guess it does go through a canyon :-k )

Despite the forecast we headed out for a day in the desert, with plenty of appropriate gear. The rain began shortly after we started, and lasted for a couple of hours before slowing. We managed to complete the hike just before the skies opened up again. Saw two other hikers who also have the same immunity to rain that apparently causes immediate death in the rest of the population. Basically a fantastic day out there!!

Best part of the day ... 9Ls Jeep drove on a dirt road. While it was raining!!! : rambo : :o
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Needle Canyon
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water 1 out of 5water less than maxwater less than maxwater less than max First Water Creek - Upper Turnoff Pools to trickle Pools to trickle
Several good deep pools



water 1 out of 5water less than maxwater less than maxwater less than max Needle Canyon Pools to trickle Pools to trickle
Plenty of big pools wherever there was bedrock.

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A pleasant stream here

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Oct 13 2018
Tough_Boots
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 Routes 67
 Photos 2,708
 Triplogs 755

40 male
 Joined Mar 28 2008
 Phoenix, AZ
Red Hills Needle CanyonPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
Hiking avatar Oct 13 2018
Tough_Boots
Hiking14.01 Miles 2,015 AEG
Hiking14.01 Miles   5 Hrs   47 Mns   2.50 mph
2,015 ft AEG      11 Mns Break
 no routesno photosets
1st trip
Fun day in the rain.
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Oct 13 2018
John9L
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 Guides 6
 Routes 170
 Photos 4,848
 Triplogs 1,619

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 Joined Mar 12 2004
 Scottsdale, AZ
Red Hills Needle CanyonPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
Hiking avatar Oct 13 2018
John9L
Hiking14.01 Miles 2,015 AEG
Hiking14.01 Miles
2,015 ft AEG
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I met up with Kyle & Chumley for a rainy & fun hike in the western Supes. We wanted to get out for a few hours and expected rain so we came up with Red Hills Needle Canyon. It seemed like a good option & Kyle and Chumley never hiked it before. We left First Water lot around 8am and headed in and cruised down the Dutchman Trail. There were around 15 cars at the TH but we saw very few people out. A light rain started falling a few miles in and would last for several hours as we connected to Red Hells and hiked up the canyon. The going was a little slow due to all the water and sections of heavy brush. We kept at it and stopped to eat lunch at the junction with Bull Pass. The rain let up at this point and we enjoyed the solitude.

After lunch, we climbed over Bull Pass and then connected onto the Black Mesa Trail. From there it was steady going as we passed Yellow Mountain and headed to the high point. The trail was very muddy & slowed us down for a bit. We eventually connected onto the Second Water Trail and arrived back to the jeep soon after. The rain held off the last few miles of this hike but the skies opened and it poured minutes after driving away. We timed this hike just right.
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Dec 26 2015
John9L
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 Photos 4,848
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 Joined Mar 12 2004
 Scottsdale, AZ
Red Hills Needle CanyonPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
Hiking avatar Dec 26 2015
John9L
Hiking14.93 Miles 2,100 AEG
Hiking14.93 Miles
2,100 ft AEG
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Nice hike on a relatively cool day. We started hiking from First Water Trailhead at 9:15am and made good time down the Lost Dutchman Trail. These section of trail is a chore but goes by quick. Along the way I took off my fleece and stowed it in my pack. Two women dressed for snowshoeing in Flag commented that we were from out of town. I told them we're locals. :lol:

From there it was easy going as we connected into Boulder Canyon where there were some good pools of water. We headed north and connected into Red Hills. The going was relatively easy as we made our way up canyon. There were more pools of water but nothing flowing. We eventually connected back on trail and headed west over Bull Pass and took a lunch.

After lunch we followed the Black Mesa Trail and made good time as we dropped into Garden Valley. We decided to continue straight and passed Hackberry Spring. We continued hiking and headed past the old corral on our way back to the road and we were back to the jeep a little after 3pm. This was a nice and chill multi-loop hike.
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Dec 26 2015
clairebear
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 Photos 178
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37 female
 Joined Oct 26 2011
 Tempe, AZ
Red Hills Needle CanyonPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
Hiking avatar Dec 26 2015
clairebear
Hiking14.93 Miles 2,100 AEG
Hiking14.93 Miles
2,100 ft AEG
 no routesno photosets
1st trip
We set of from First Water trailhead on a cold morning and watched a guy in shorts/ tshirt combo walk off ahead of us. Although 9L had shorts on, I guess since he had a fleece with him he was comfy. We hiked up the familiar Dutchman Trail and then turned onto Boulder Canyon trail for a bit. We took a chilly break and I ate part of my sandwich and decided that we would continue on to Red Hills Needle Canyon. Decent pools of water and scrambling in some areas to stay dry. I got my foot wet when a rock wasn't quite as stable as I'd hoped and slipped into the cold water :( After Red Hills we found the Bull Pass trail and hiked out. After the high point we dropped down and found the large yellow Boulders 9L likes for our lunch break. We connected to Black Mesa Trail on to Garden Valley decided to continue on the Hackberry in order find the old corral.
The hike flew by pretty quickly and we passed many familiar trails. I really enjoy the Dutchman trail and Garden Valley has always been a favorite spot.
It was cool to see the old corral again- having hiked there a few years ago after randomly picking out a Garden Vally/ Hackberry loop from the Supes Hiking book. Another good day hiking in the Supes ^^^
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Feb 21 2015
wallyfrack
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 Routes 89
 Photos 3,905
 Triplogs 1,224

58 male
 Joined Mar 11 2003
 AZ
Red Hills Needle CanyonPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
Canyoneering avatar Feb 21 2015
wallyfrack
Canyoneering15.33 Miles 2,645 AEG
Canyoneering15.33 Miles   6 Hrs   59 Mns   2.20 mph
2,645 ft AEG
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1st trip
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I had a few things to search for and then got distracted and ended up going through the Red Hills but not on the old trail. The first order was to look for Peg Aylor's inscription at Caballo camp and the up on Black Top Mesa to look at the Fay Ward inscription. After hiking down from BTM I hiked down to Needle Canyon and got redirected down the creek. I noticed Malapais Mountain in the distance and thought, Why not?, then decide to go cross country toward Cavalry trail instead of backtracking. I soon found on old camp, some claim markers and a prospect hole. There is also a quartz peak in there too. I had planned a trip up old squaw canyon but opted out for another day. I was in cruise mode going down cavalry trail and saw a small gila monster coming toward me. I took a few photos and continued down to Boulder trail. I first saw a few hikers enjoying the boulder creek and about half way to the junction of Second Water trail I hiked up on some naked swimmers. I stopped a minute to let the lady get some cover and then continued on. There was a large group of campers near the Second Water/Boulder Creek junction so I think the swimmers may have been with them. Once on Second Water trail I strolled to the trailhead and exited about 2pm. You never know what you may find in the Supes.
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Mar 15 2014
John9L
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 Guides 6
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 Photos 4,848
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 Joined Mar 12 2004
 Scottsdale, AZ
Red Hills Needle CanyonPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
Canyoneering avatar Mar 15 2014
John9L
Canyoneering15.56 Miles 2,587 AEG
Canyoneering15.56 Miles
2,587 ft AEG
Canyon Hiking - Non-technical; no rope; easy scrambling; occasional hand use
A - Dry or little water; shallow or avoidable water; no wet/dry suit
I - Short 1-2 hours
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Clockwise Loop. Will add more details later
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Jan 04 2014
RowdyandMe
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 Guides 6
 Routes 358
 Photos 14,226
 Triplogs 1,586

65 male
 Joined Jul 16 2012
 Deer Valley, AZ
Red Hills Needle CanyonPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
Canyoneering avatar Jan 04 2014
RowdyandMe
Canyoneering13.40 Miles 1,422 AEG
Canyoneering13.40 Miles   5 Hrs   45 Mns   2.64 mph
1,422 ft AEG      40 Mns Break15 LBS Pack
Canyon Hiking - Non-technical; no rope; easy scrambling; occasional hand use
B - Up to light current; wading/swimming; possible wet/dry suit
III - Normally requires most of a day
 
1st trip
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Well it's a New Year I got new sunglasses and a new hat so I decided ot hike on a old friend. The weather could not have been more perfect. All the parking lots on First Water were full then I remembered it's New Year. After a couple of months those New Year Resolutions will wear off and those people will stop showing up.
Ok back to the hike It was a beautiful morning the trails seemed a little different to me. But from what I could see is there has been a few flash floods since my last visit to this side of the mountain. There is a lot of growth as everything seems to be so green. Once I left Boulder Canyon and headed up Red Hill Needle Canyon things change.
Once I started up Red Hill Needle Canyon I realized I should have wore pants but to late for me. I really don't think I lost more than a pint of blood in the canyon. I was glad that today I brought insulin with me. I gave myself a shot and ate a bag of chocolate covered raisin and I was good to go.
This was a fun hike and bloody to and I want to do this one again. Well I guess this was actually more of canyoneering once I turned off Boulder Canyon Trail.
Just in case you wanted to know. Once I turned into the canyon everything change.
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Feb 04 2013
Mr_Squishy
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 Routes 25
 Photos 1,121
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65 male
 Joined Jan 14 2009
 Kodiak, AK
Battleship Mountain - SuperstitionsPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
Backpack avatar Feb 04 2013
Mr_Squishy
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Backpack3 Days         
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Day 1: First Water TH to Battleship Mtn summit via the standard route, carrying 8 liters of water total (3 in reservoir) and camped on summit area. Beautiful sunset and next morning sunrise from summit. I saw some standing water up on the summit plateau.
Day 2: Descended from summit and ran into Van and Josh (?) "Devils Mountain" who were just starting up. I continued down to Cavalry and then into to Marsh Valley to camp. There is plenty of water in Marsh Valley and it was a chilly, damp night and morning until the sun made it over Black Mountain about 9 am.
Day 3: Headed out to Dutchman's, then a short ways on Bull Pass, then down Red Hills Needle Canyon as I wanted to look for the camera I lost in the canyon last year. No luck. Connected with Boulder Canyon to Dutchman's and back to First Water TH.
A very enjoyable trip.

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Oct 14 2012
hikerdw
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 Routes 124
 Photos 2,251
 Triplogs 355

60 male
 Joined Aug 16 2009
 Mesa,AZ
Red Hills Needle CanyonPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
Canyoneering avatar Oct 14 2012
hikerdw
Canyoneering13.40 Miles 1,422 AEG
Canyoneering13.40 Miles   6 Hrs   15 Mns   2.59 mph
1,422 ft AEG   1 Hour   4 Mns Break
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1st trip
Linked none no linked trail guides
Partners none no partners
Been wanting to check out Needle Canyon in the Red Hills area so off we go on a perfect weather day in October. Lots of standing water in the canyon, we even saw small traces of running water as well. The first mile or so in the canyon was really easy to trek through, then we hit what I will call a "marsh area", lots of water, high grasses, and mud which made trying to stay dry difficult as we zigzagged from side to side. We saw lots of frogs/toads, found a couple of rusted cans/containers, and even some graffiti. Bull Pass trail was a little overgrown but was a nice change following the boulder hopping through the canyon. Started seeing other hikers on the Dutchman Trail once we hit the Black Mesa Trail marker.
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Jan 05 2010
snakemarks
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 Photos 2,699
 Triplogs 240

female
 Joined Oct 31 2007
 Apache Junction,
Red Hills Needle CanyonPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
Canyoneering avatar Jan 05 2010
snakemarks
Canyoneering13.50 Miles 1,422 AEG
Canyoneering13.50 Miles
1,422 ft AEG
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1st trip
Linked none no linked trail guides
Partners none no partners
8 miles of this hike is on the Dutchman Trail and pretty smooth sailing. The rest requires a little more effort.

The brief trek in Boulder Canyon before you reach Needle Canyon was an ankle twisting rock hop. If there is any kind of a trail there, I didn't see it.

I was surprised at how much water was in Needle Canyon, considering how little rainfall we've had over the last year. It wasn't flowing, but there were many deep pools with decent looking water in them. Judging from the waterline, this place can hold a lot more. I imagine during a rainy season it's quite spectacular, although, I don't know how you'd trek your way through it. There were a few sections of (reasonably) barrier-free trail along the sides and I took advantage of these wherever I could find them. But mostly, the creekbed was my only option and, even without water, it was very slow going.

Humping it up and down Bull Pass wasn't as hard as I was expecting, or maybe I was just so glad to get out of the canyon and away from the endless rock hopping that I didn't mind the climb. I think this was actually my favorite part of the hike. It definitely had it's share of cardio moments, but there were some great views up there and the trail itself was varied and interesting. I might be overstating it's appeal, but I enjoyed it.

It was a beautiful day for a hike, but beyond the first quarter mile from the Trailhead, I didn't see a soul all day. Now, that's how I like to roll!
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Jan 01 2010
nonot
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 Guides 93
 Routes 236
 Photos 1,969
 Triplogs 473

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 Joined Nov 18 2005
 Phoenix, AZ
Red Hills Needle CanyonPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
Canyoneering avatar Jan 01 2010
nonot
Canyoneering17.20 Miles 2,800 AEG
Canyoneering17.20 Miles   8 Hrs   12 Mns   2.10 mph
2,800 ft AEG
Canyon Hiking - Non-technical; no rope; easy scrambling; occasional hand use
A - Dry or little water; shallow or avoidable water; no wet/dry suit
I - Short 1-2 hours
 
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1st trip
Tour de Western Superstitions.

Time includes off-trail exploration, searching for Spanish petroglyphs, stopping for first lunch, and stopping for second lunch.

Neither Boulder nor LaBarge Creeks are running, there is water sitting stagnant in rock catch basins thoughout Needle and Boulder canyons, due to lack of full exploration of LaBarge, all I can say is that it is completely dry where I hiked by it.
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Dec 04 2009
mazatzal
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 Routes 31
 Photos 2,138
 Triplogs 1,069

61 male
 Joined Jul 28 2004
 Scottsdale, AZ
Red Hills Needle CanyonPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
Hiking avatar Dec 04 2009
mazatzal
Hiking13.40 Miles 1,422 AEG
Hiking13.40 Miles   6 Hrs   10 Mns   2.17 mph
1,422 ft AEG
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1st trip
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This is a nice loop. I went down Needle Canyon as opposed to up it. I came across a group of coatimundis at one of the bigger pools. They ran off pretty quickly and bounded up the canyon side before I could grab my camera :doh:
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Dec 19 2008
kanode
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71 male
 Joined Jan 07 2004
 Tempe, AZ
Red Hills Needle CanyonPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
Hiking avatar Dec 19 2008
kanode
Hiking13.40 Miles 1,422 AEG
Hiking13.40 Miles   8 Hrs   30 Mns   1.58 mph
1,422 ft AEG
 
1st trip
Linked none no linked trail guides
Partners none no partners
Finding info on this area is difficult because of inconsistent naming. There are other routes through the Red Hills and a Red Hills trail in the Mazatzals. There's another Needle Canyon nearby at Weaver's Needle. The trail on the south end of Black Top Mesa used to be called Needle Cutoff Trail. Now it's just a section of the Dutchman Trail.

I probably should have named this hike: Red Hills Needle Canyon - Superstitions
Al Morrow's mine may have been in the other Needle Canyon

Whatever this hike is called, it's a great hike when there's water flowing and it's not too cold to get wet!
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average hiking speed 2.28 mph

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