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Kinder Crossing Trail #19 - East Access - 6 members in 7 triplogs have rated this an average 3.5 ( 1 to 5 best )
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Jun 04 2017
nonot
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 Joined Nov 18 2005
 Phoenix, AZ
East Clear Creek - FR95 to Kinder CrossingPayson, AZ
Payson, AZ
Hiking avatar Jun 04 2017
nonot
Hiking11.00 Miles 350 AEG
Hiking11.00 Miles
350 ft AEG
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1st trip
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Nice temperatures, not too brushy.
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Sep 05 2016
arizona_water
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 Joined Mar 06 2016
 Salt River Valle
Kinder Crossing Trail #19Payson, AZ
Payson, AZ
Hiking avatar Sep 05 2016
arizona_water
Hiking1.95 Miles 584 AEG
Hiking1.95 Miles   1 Hour   3 Mns   3.34 mph
584 ft AEG      28 Mns Break
 
1st trip
Partners none no partners
Labor Day weekend, and we were the only ones here. The cascade is a great place to chill in the summer time! Especially if you're looking for something easy and close to the highway.

dry Yeager Canyon Dry Dry
Dry at the confluence. However, ECC was flowing moderately. Baseflow for summer season.
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Jul 16 2016
chumley
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 Joined Sep 18 2002
 Tempe, AZ
ECC Blue Ridge to Horse Crossing Loop, AZ 
ECC Blue Ridge to Horse Crossing Loop, AZ
 
Hiking avatar Jul 16 2016
chumley
Hiking17.66 Miles 1,900 AEG
Hiking17.66 Miles   8 Hrs   39 Mns   2.60 mph
1,900 ft AEG   1 Hour   52 Mns Break
 
1st trip
Two hours of breaks. That was the theme today. ;)

I agree with Joel's description: the section of ECC from 95 to Kinder is probably the most scenic. We were able to bypass the swimmer on the cliffs on the left. Surprisingly there was nobody at Kinder. Or Horse. Though we spotted two people down that way later after we had climbed out of the canyon and were taking another break.

We hit the Pokéstop at Moqui and enjoyed some suspicious lunch from Joe's duffel but were disappointed to find somebody had molested the disc at the old Blue Ridge tower site. Skirted private property down to the lake. It looked super busy, but it appeared most people didn't venture past the boat ramp, with only 5-6 watercraft between there and the dam.

Speaking of the dam. Damn! Hadn't ever been down below it before and it's impressive. The flow in ECC downstream is the result of a single 3" pipe. Probably a required output as part of the SRP agreement. Luckily ECC has numerous seeps and springs along the way that slowly add more flow. The first half mile from the dam is an unpleasant bouldery mess. It gets better/typical after that.

Nice to cover a 10-mile stretch in the creek today. Thanks to Eagle for drawing it up and driving, and to Joe for sitting in back. :)
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water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water less than maxwater less than max CC Cragin Reservoir 26-50% full 26-50% full
44% full. Elev 6680, about 30 feet below full pool
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May 29 2015
ALMAL
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 Joined Oct 17 2010
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Kinder Crossing Trail #19 - East AccessPayson, AZ
Payson, AZ
Backpack avatar May 29 2015
ALMAL
Backpack7.50 Miles 584 AEG
Backpack7.50 Miles
584 ft AEG
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1st trip
Partners none no partners
Made it in to a good campsite Friday night, just down the road a bit from Kinder Crossing Trail on the east side. There's a pretty cool campsite right at the trailhead, but I chose one a bit further back down the road.
Dropped down the trail Saturday morning and headed downstream. There are numerous campsites along the creek as you might expect. I chose a nice one with a huge deep hole, downstream about a mile below Horse Crossing trail. I saw a few people on Saturday that came down Horse Crossing, and two set up camp about a 1/2 mile downstream from me, at the site with the cobblestone pathway.
Hiking out Sunday was uneventful and I saw no one at all. The place was surprisingly empty given the heat and great swimming and fishing spots along this creek.

I think further exploration downstream, possibly to Leonard Canyon is in order for a future trip.
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Aug 09 2014
chumley
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 Tempe, AZ
Kinder Horse Loop, AZ 
Kinder Horse Loop, AZ
 
Hiking avatar Aug 09 2014
chumley
Hiking10.69 Miles 1,839 AEG
Hiking10.69 Miles   5 Hrs   30 Mns   2.54 mph
1,839 ft AEG   1 Hour   17 Mns Break
 
1st trip
Planned on doing a loop utilizing the Kinder and Horse Crossing trails across East Clear Creek. From what I had read, I didn't expect to find a route at all on the two eastern trails, but was pleasantly surprised to find both trailheads signed and both trails well-marked, well-traveled, and well-maintained.

I didn't remember there being so much water, but didn't realize how much higher it was until getting home and looking at photos from previous trips. I'm not sure where the water is coming from--it hasn't rained up there in several days, so it wasn't recent storm runoff, and the reservoir is nearly empty and is not feeding the creek. Whereas previous trips you could cross the creek by rock-hopping, this time required wading in water over waist deep and fighting a surprisingly strong current. The strong current resulted in a dangerous mishap to one of us, but I'll let him explain it in his own triplog.

The roads used to make the loop connections to the two trails are pretty boring but go by fairly quickly. We missed where the trail crosses the creek at Horse Crossing, but managed to get across just about where it starts heading up the east side. I went back to find where we were supposed to cross and found the spot, but there is no way I would have tried to cross there. The depth and current made it unsafe. Where we crossed was a bit wider and just shallow enough to keep the boys dry. Which was important as the water was Colorado River cold. 9L and I both had numb legs and feet after crossing -- after just 15-20 seconds in the water. I know it was not over 55, and may have been in the upper 40s. That was very surprising to me for mid-summer up there!

All in all a great day though. Better than the other hike alternative proposed for this weekend!
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Aug 09 2014
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 Scottsdale, AZ
Kinder Horse Loop, AZ 
Kinder Horse Loop, AZ
 
Hiking avatar Aug 09 2014
John9L
Hiking10.69 Miles 1,839 AEG
Hiking10.69 Miles
1,839 ft AEG
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1st trip
Nice day spent in the high country. Our original plan was to follow East Clear Creek to the north and return via the Horse Crossing Trail. We started hiking up the creek and found the vegetation very thick and difficult. On top of the that the creek was flowing high and fast. We decided to change our plan and make a loop using forest roads. This turned out to be a great option. This loop involved Kinder Crossing and Horse Crossing. We had to cross the creek twice and the water came up to our thighs. It was very cold, my legs were numb by the time I reached the other side. Besides that everything was straightforward. The trails leading to and from both crossings are in good shape and easy to follow. They're steep though. Nice day in the cooler temps!
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 Far NE Phoenix,
East Clear Creek Kinder Loop, AZ 
East Clear Creek Kinder Loop, AZ
 
Hiking avatar Jul 07 2012
The_Eagle
Hiking14.60 Miles 2,100 AEG
Hiking14.60 Miles   8 Hrs   11 Mns   2.27 mph
2,100 ft AEG   1 Hour   45 Mns Break12 LBS Pack
 
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I've been wanting to find the eastern trail and TH for Kinder Crossing since my last attempt in 2010. Also wanted to see some more of the East Clear Creek area, because it's pretty special.

I saw an old trail line on the MyTOPO layer that looked like it should be the eastern trail out of East Clear Creek. I drew it up in Route Manager, loaded it in my GPS, and hit the road.

Funny thing happened (at least for me) if you make the drive to the East side of East Clear Creek, you can actually follow signs to the Eastern TH. :sl: . What a novel idea! The road you take to get to the TH does not show up on TOPO maps, but is very obvious in Satellite view.
The trail I'd drawn up off of MyTopo was in an entirely different location. That'll have to wait for another trip up there to see if it exists.

The trail down the East side of Kinder Is well signed at the top, Cairned getting down to the creek. If someone was trying to find this route going up from the creek, it would be near impossible without a GPS track.

The views for the walkabout in the creek were superb. Green everywhere, water everywhere, high canyon walls with interesting rock formations, just a pleasant walk downstream going North. We passed up numerous top notch empty campsites and only a pair of fishermen for humans on our almost 6 mile walk in the creek.

Most of it was actually not IN the creek. There were game/fishermen's trails most of the way. There were only a few spots North of Horse Crossing Trail, where it was mandatory to walk in the creek. I'd suggest that if you go, plan on crossing the water and getting wet. It takes less time than looking for a dry spot to cross and sooner or later you are going to get wet. Nothing was deeper that calf high.

We found one campsite where someone had taken a lot of time to make a crayfish catcher and fish spear. http://hikearizona.com/photo.php?ZIP=269856

On the Northern end of our loop, we exited the creek to the west and followed FR's back south to the Kinder Crossing Trail. Kinder Crossing is a special area down by the creek. It can also be popular with non-hikers in street shoes.

I was glad to finally be able to find the eastern Kinder Crossing Trail and enjoy another day in the East Clear Creek area. Thanks for joining my Joe, and for not even once complaining all day.
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