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Aug 02 2017
Stoic
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43 male
 Joined Dec 30 2007
 Avondale,Az
Oatman Massacre / Fourr CemeterySouthwest, AZ
Southwest, AZ
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Stoic
4x4 Trip80.00 Miles 1,000 AEG
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A friend and I left Buckeye around 8am and returned around 1pm. We went to Sundad Ghost Town, Fourr Sons Gravesite, Oatman Gravesite and to the Painted Rock Petroplyph Site.
Its getting harder and harder to drive to the Oatman Gravesite. The Farmers are fencing off their properties. I had to drive around their property to get to the site. Next time I go, I will hike down from the Oatman Massacre site.
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Jan 15 2017
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Oatman Massacre / Fourr CemeterySouthwest, AZ
Southwest, AZ
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Hiking4.38 Miles 269 AEG
Hiking4.38 Miles   2 Hrs   11 Mns   2.04 mph
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Day 2 – Hike 3 (Gila Bend / Painted Rock Adventure)
Exhausted but with still many hours left in the day, I consulted with HAZ for other hikes/points of interest in the area and noticed that the Oatman Massacre / Fourr Cemetery were a very short drive down the road and in the direction I was heading, so it made a perfect finish to my day and was also nice learning about some Arizona history. Kudos to kingsnake ( [ triplog ] ) for clarifying the points of interests, of which there are three, all very near each other but in distinct locations: Fourr Cemetery, Oatman Memorial, and Oatman Massacre Site.

The drive in [and out] was a bit of an adventure getting around the private property, but luckily nothing too complicated. There was what appeared to be private property signs at the beginning of S. Oatman Rd, [right where Rocky Point Road makes a 90 degree turn from West to North], so after turning my vehicle around, I opted for a different way in by heading South an unnamed dirt road that skirts the farmland and joins up with S. Oatman Rd. further down.

There’s really no hiking needed to see the Fourr Cemetery; but for the Oatman Memorial and Oatman Massacre Site, I decided to park in an enormous wash by Oatman Flat. I actually drove in the wash for about 1/5th of a mile but didn’t want to risk potentially having to do lots of backing up in the event I encountered deep ruts or sand. It was neat to be able to do a little ‘off-roading’ in my Forester. A word of caution to those with jeeps/trucks: these vehicles are more than capable of driving down the wash, [which has tire tracks running everywhere], but heading in the direction of the Memorial is an area with downed barbed wire fence running across the wash [and no way around it].

After visiting the Memorial and Massacre sites, I decided to take a slightly different way back to my vehicle by staying along the Western side of the wash / Oatman Flat. It was exceptionally beautiful and really fun hiking on/over the soft whitish sand dunes in the wash. The vegetation in the wash was also really impressive… it’s not often I encounter pines trees within a desert area of AZ; yet despite being under 600’ in elevation and surrounded by desert, it was pretty neat to be able to see full grown pine trees and other vegetation you don’t normally see in the desert, within this wash.

When I returned to my vehicle, I decided to try a different route back out to Rocky Point Road by continuing North on S. Oatman road for as far as it would go. Eventually, [just before reaching Rocky Point Road], S. Oatman makes a 90 degree turn to the East. About 1/10th of a mile after turning East, I noticed an off-road shortcut through a wash that I figured would lead back out to Rocky Point Road. Seeing a rather deep rut at the bottom, I decided the shortcut was best saved for the jeeps/4x4’s… however, about 1/10th of a mile later, I encountered an even deeper rut on the otherwise excellent dirt road I was on. Not wanting to do tons of backtracking, I decided that my chance of clearing the ruts were better with the off-road option and decided to attempt it. The Forester once again performed like a MF’ing champ. I’ll bet I didn’t clear the rut ‘with flying colors’, but I cleared it without even lightly brushing the bottom, which was good enough for me. After the rut, the short rest of the way out to Rocky Point Road was a breeze. I couldn’t help but laugh at the irony of how the off-road shortcut joins up with Rocky Point Road right at the ‘Primitive Road’ warning sign, [intended of course for those driving on Rocky Point Road].
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Jan 02 2017
AZWanderingBea
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Oatman Massacre / Fourr CemeterySouthwest, AZ
Southwest, AZ
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Stopped off at Painted Rock, the Fourr Cemetery, the Oatman Massacre site and the Sundad ruins while heading to the western terminus of the El Camino del Diablo. Had been wanting to hit this historic area for a while.
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Aug 14 2016
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Oatman Massacre / Fourr CemeterySouthwest, AZ
Southwest, AZ
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Decided to do a day trip to historic Oatman massacre site. It had rained several days prior so Oatman rd from the south was pretty muddy. We decided to take the longer route and come in from the north off of Rocky point rd, it was a little muddy but passable. Stopped at Fourr cemetary site then proceeded to park at the southern end of the fieldsand walk to Oatman burial & massacre site. The fields were muddy,id recommend 4 wheel drive only if wanting to drive on the roads on the field. Made it up to the Massacre site, was very humid also humbling being there, not much has changed there since 1851, very remote. Def a day trip worth doing if your a fan of Az history.
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Mar 30 2015
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Oatman Massacre / Fourr CemeterySouthwest, AZ
Southwest, AZ
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Hiking3.97 Miles 523 AEG
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Headed out with Stoic to follow up on some previous trips, throwing in the Sundad ghost town / rock art as a side trip.

First up was the Oatman massacre site. The actual massacre site up on the bluff, not just the memorial down on the very dusty Oatman Flat. Stoic agreed I was not exaggerating about the depth of the dust on the farm access road. Reminder: Cars should park at the Fourr Cemetery, then walk in. The massacre site itself is marked by a stone mound, topped by a cross, next to which is a historical sign. I explained the circumstances of the massacre, and that afterwards the Western Yavapai had supposedly taken the Oatman girls to the Agua Caliente hot springs, pointing out the not-too-far distant Agua Caliente Range of hills. We poked around for a few minutes on top, then headed back to the Stoic's Xterra.

Sundad has many rock designs on the ground, some I had not spotted on satellite view. I had noticed a few whazzit's on sat view, and on close up inspection, they turned out to be grated mine covered by the BLM's Fun Prevention Police, plus some associated workings. Stoic was surprised when he looked down a shaft, and saw eyes staring up at him. :o (It was an owl.) Details to follow in a new hike description.

Then it was down to Agua Caliente. I had explored the ruined cabins along the road a few weeks ago, but today we also checked out some ruins further up the very rocky and rather steep hill. Turns out that there was only one identifiable cabin wall on the hill, but many large cairns (as in 4+ feet tall piles of rocks). In fact, from higher up on the hill, we were able to notice something not obvious to the naked, road-level, eye: Large cairns on each of the Agua Caliente Range's summits.

With 97° predicted for Gila Bend, it was surely that hot further west, and the heat was starting to get to me. Despite drinking plenty of water and lime-cucumber Gatorade (serious!), I was actually feeling a bit woozy. We briefly checked out the various foundations (ghost towns?) along Hyder Rd., before pulling into the lot of the cantina at Dos Palomas. It was closed. As we were headed back to the Xterra, it opened. :y: (The cantina opens at 2:00 p.m.) Though they had a new cinnamon & horchata (serious!) Blue Moon, I opted for a cruddy beer: Tecate. Then another. Then a third. (I was not driving.) Nothing refreshes quite like a bad beer on a hot day. :D (Our total damage for a bottle of tea, three beers and a bag of chips was only $9.75!) Feeling human again, we bid adios to our friendly bartender Carmen. :)

Oatman / Fourr Video: youtu.be/gEImSFTLfCo
Sundad Video: https://youtu.be/GA ... wF4A

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p.s. Stoic said he is going to steal my triplog. :lol:
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Mar 30 2015
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p.s. Stoic said he is going to steal my triplog.

Fine Ill write my own.. I hate writing!!!

Our first destination was the Oatman Massacre site. We both have been to the memorial, but neither one of us have been to the actual massacre site. Along the way, Kingsnake pointed out an old car graveyard. 4 or 5 old old cars rusting away in the desert. We then stopped at the Fourr site then headed to the Oatman Memorial. Kingsnake is correct about the road conditions to Oatman. From the Fourr site, the sand is over 6 inches deep in some areas. From the memorial, it was around 1/3 of a mile hike to the massacre site. He hiked around the area then back to the truck.
Our next destination was Sundad Ghost Town. I unique ghost town with its man-made rock formations. We spend about 90 minutes walking back and forth checking out the rock formations, building structures and mines. As I looked down one of the mine shafts, I noticed a set of eyes looking back at me. There was an owl living in the mine. After a few seconds, he hopped down out of site. We then headed to the Aqua Caliente Ghost Town. We spend about an hour climbing around and exploring the sites. After Aqua Caliente we hit a couple small sites including Horn. We spend a couple minutes at each site looking at the structures. We then stopped at Dos Palomas bar. We stayed an hour talking with the bartender. As we headed back to I-8 we stopped at one structure at the old Dateland airfield then headed back home.
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Feb 24 2015
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Hiking4.70 Miles 350 AEG
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I've been planning this trip for about two years. The basic plan was to: 1) Drive Painted Rock Rd. to the petroglyph site. 2) Drive Rocky Point Rd. / Oatman Rd. to the Fourr Cemetery and Oatman Massacre sites. 3) Back up Oatman Rd., when continue northwest on Rocky Point Rd., then southwest on Hyder Rd. 4) Head south on Ave. 76E / Old Agua Caliente Rd. to the ghost town / pioneer cemetery. 5) Return up Ave. 76E, then continue west on Hyder Rd. checking out the ghost towns of Hyder and Horn. 6) Head south on Ave. 64E to Dateland Army Airfield. 7) Finish the day with a date shake, before heading back to Phoenix at a rush hour avoiding time. :scared:

Painted Rock Petroglyphs: There are two small hills. The western, larger, hill has very few samples. The eastern, smaller, hill has tons of glyphs. Some so dense you cannot distinguish the symbols. Some more modern, ranging in my view from 1879 to 1954. The indian petroglyphs were mostly on the south side; I wonder if there is some social significance to that, similar to the Navajo having their hogan doors facing east? :-k But you can see pretty much everything there is to see in 30 minutes, an hour at most if you read the entirety of the many info signs. Video: youtu.be/ozE_w8PXhx4 .

West of Painted Rock, the road becomes gravel, but is a decent, car-drivable, surface. After crossing the bone dry Gila River, where the road Ts, we turned left on Oatman Rd.

Fourr Cemetery: The Fourr family were pioneers who settled on Oatman Flat in the 1870s, where the father was a rancher and Butterfield Stage agent. Four of their six children born on Oatman Flat are buried in the cemetery. It's very tiny, but well maintained and quite peaceful. Amazingly, there is 4-bar Verizon reception here, perhaps due to the antenna farm on Oatman Mountain. This is as far as you should go without at least AWD. :stop:

Oatman Memorial: We followed a farm road that had very deep, very fine, dusty surface. I had fun trying to keep my SUV pointing straight ahead as the rear waved back-and-forth. :D After a mile, we got out and walked the rest of the way to what I thought was the massacre site, but which turned out to be the memorial. I hate leaving things incomplete, so I will be back to visit the massacre site, which is on the south bluff of the Gila River, about a quarter mile from the memorial.

... Fourr / Oatman Video: youtu.be/gEImSFTLfCo

We returned up the dusty farm road, and Oatman Rd., then I looked for a short cut to Rocky Point Rd. to avoid driving back around the farm. There is no short cut, but I did find a "car farm", with at least four vehicles from the 1930s. Rocky Point Rd., from the farm up to the pass, has a fair amount of gravel, some of it larger, but should still be car drivable: Just go slow to avoid kicking anything up into your oil pan. (Help is a long way away.) From the top of the pass down to Hyder Rd. is smooth sailing, as is the first several miles west on Hyder Rd., which is also dirt.

Agua Caliente: The Pioneer Cemetery ( youtu.be/AuX-rY1eM4E ) is still being occasionally used. The most recent burial I saw was 2012, oldest birth of a resident was a husband (b. 1835) and wife (b. 1836). Lots of Conde, Perez and Amabisca family members there. Most of the older graves are unmarked. One was obviously empty! :o After lunch and a quick Nooner -- get your filthy mind out of the gutter, it's a beer! :D -- I checked out the remains of Agua Caliente ( youtu.be/lVBayp8Xh1g ). There are several intact walls, and many very decayed. I wanted to scope out the spa, but it was plastered with "No Tresspassing" signs, and had a huge satellite dish, so someone was keeping an eye on it. Onward!

We returned to Hyder Rd. I wanted to stop at what looked like an old motel on Ave. 76E, and also check out the many abandoned buildings in Hyder, but they all had "No Trespassing" signs, and the old motel looked like someone lived on the ground in trailer. :gun: I've no need for bullet holes, so skipped them. I found two abandoned sites just west of Hyder. The first looked like an old motor court, complete with an obvious pool for weary travellers. The second, included a one-pump gas station, and several other foundations. No memorials on Hyder Rd., as there is so little traffic you will probably not see another moving vehicle unless you stop to do some exploring.

Horn: Quite a few foundations in Horn, and an incredible amount of old bottles, especially green. Many of the bottles were intact, so a I snagged a few. There were also several of what looked like covered mine shafts. There's no mine shafts on the topo, so maybe they were wells, or something else? :-k

Dateland Army Airfield: I did not realize Camp Horn was so close, or we would have stopped there as well. (Future trip ...) Instead, we turned south for Dateland Army Airfield. It's much larger than I an anticipated, and I had no idea where any remaining buildings would be, so we pretty much walked out to the end of Runway 1/19 (the longest) took a quick look, then headed back to the SUV. A local had seen us, and stopped to chat. He clued us in to one building, which is where they zeroed machineguns. It look like a back stop: Open on one side, with a mound of sand against the opposite wall. Lots of graffiti inside.

Our tour complete, it was time for date shakes. :y:
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Sep 09 2011
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On my way back from Yuma, I decided to do a small detour. I went looking for the Oatman Massacre sight, and then off to Painted Rock Petroglyph site. Asking a local farmer for directions, he sent me to a different 1800s site. There is a small road here, that goes to the top of the hill.(even with 4 wheel drive, it would have been a hard drive up) I hiked this road for about 1/2 mile, and realized thats not where I wanted to be. I finally found the Oatman site, then off to Painted rock.
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