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Mar 30 2015
Stoic
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 Avondale,Az
Oatman-Sundad-Aqua Caliente, AZ 
Oatman-Sundad-Aqua Caliente, AZ
 
4x4 Trip avatar Mar 30 2015
Stoic
4x4 Trip87.10 Miles 3,306 AEG
4x4 Trip87.10 Miles   7 Hrs   22 Mns   15.10 mph
3,306 ft AEG   1 Hour   36 Mns Break
 
1st trip
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p.s. Stoic said he is going to steal my triplog.

Fine Ill write my own.. I hate writing!!!

Our first destination was the Oatman Massacre site. We both have been to the memorial, but neither one of us have been to the actual massacre site. Along the way, Kingsnake pointed out an old car graveyard. 4 or 5 old old cars rusting away in the desert. We then stopped at the Fourr site then headed to the Oatman Memorial. Kingsnake is correct about the road conditions to Oatman. From the Fourr site, the sand is over 6 inches deep in some areas. From the memorial, it was around 1/3 of a mile hike to the massacre site. He hiked around the area then back to the truck.
Our next destination was Sundad Ghost Town. I unique ghost town with its man-made rock formations. We spend about 90 minutes walking back and forth checking out the rock formations, building structures and mines. As I looked down one of the mine shafts, I noticed a set of eyes looking back at me. There was an owl living in the mine. After a few seconds, he hopped down out of site. We then headed to the Aqua Caliente Ghost Town. We spend about an hour climbing around and exploring the sites. After Aqua Caliente we hit a couple small sites including Horn. We spend a couple minutes at each site looking at the structures. We then stopped at Dos Palomas bar. We stayed an hour talking with the bartender. As we headed back to I-8 we stopped at one structure at the old Dateland airfield then headed back home.
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Mar 30 2015
kingsnake
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59 male
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 Sunnyslope, PHX
Oatman Massacre / Fourr CemeterySouthwest, AZ
Southwest, AZ
Hiking avatar Mar 30 2015
kingsnake
Hiking3.97 Miles 523 AEG
Hiking3.97 Miles   2 Hrs   30 Mns   1.59 mph
523 ft AEG
 
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Headed out with Stoic to follow up on some previous trips, throwing in the Sundad ghost town / rock art as a side trip.

First up was the Oatman massacre site. The actual massacre site up on the bluff, not just the memorial down on the very dusty Oatman Flat. Stoic agreed I was not exaggerating about the depth of the dust on the farm access road. Reminder: Cars should park at the Fourr Cemetery, then walk in. The massacre site itself is marked by a stone mound, topped by a cross, next to which is a historical sign. I explained the circumstances of the massacre, and that afterwards the Western Yavapai had supposedly taken the Oatman girls to the Agua Caliente hot springs, pointing out the not-too-far distant Agua Caliente Range of hills. We poked around for a few minutes on top, then headed back to the Stoic's Xterra.

Sundad has many rock designs on the ground, some I had not spotted on satellite view. I had noticed a few whazzit's on sat view, and on close up inspection, they turned out to be grated mine covered by the BLM's Fun Prevention Police, plus some associated workings. Stoic was surprised when he looked down a shaft, and saw eyes staring up at him. :o (It was an owl.) Details to follow in a new hike description.

Then it was down to Agua Caliente. I had explored the ruined cabins along the road a few weeks ago, but today we also checked out some ruins further up the very rocky and rather steep hill. Turns out that there was only one identifiable cabin wall on the hill, but many large cairns (as in 4+ feet tall piles of rocks). In fact, from higher up on the hill, we were able to notice something not obvious to the naked, road-level, eye: Large cairns on each of the Agua Caliente Range's summits.

With 97° predicted for Gila Bend, it was surely that hot further west, and the heat was starting to get to me. Despite drinking plenty of water and lime-cucumber Gatorade (serious!), I was actually feeling a bit woozy. We briefly checked out the various foundations (ghost towns?) along Hyder Rd., before pulling into the lot of the cantina at Dos Palomas. It was closed. As we were headed back to the Xterra, it opened. :y: (The cantina opens at 2:00 p.m.) Though they had a new cinnamon & horchata (serious!) Blue Moon, I opted for a cruddy beer: Tecate. Then another. Then a third. (I was not driving.) Nothing refreshes quite like a bad beer on a hot day. :D (Our total damage for a bottle of tea, three beers and a bag of chips was only $9.75!) Feeling human again, we bid adios to our friendly bartender Carmen. :)

Oatman / Fourr Video: youtu.be/gEImSFTLfCo
Sundad Video: https://youtu.be/GA ... wF4A

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p.s. Stoic said he is going to steal my triplog. :lol:
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Feb 24 2015
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Gila River Valley Meander, AZ 
Gila River Valley Meander, AZ
 
Hiking avatar Feb 24 2015
kingsnake
Hiking4.70 Miles 350 AEG
Hiking4.70 Miles
350 ft AEG
 
1st trip
I've been planning this trip for about two years. The basic plan was to: 1) Drive Painted Rock Rd. to the petroglyph site. 2) Drive Rocky Point Rd. / Oatman Rd. to the Fourr Cemetery and Oatman Massacre sites. 3) Back up Oatman Rd., when continue northwest on Rocky Point Rd., then southwest on Hyder Rd. 4) Head south on Ave. 76E / Old Agua Caliente Rd. to the ghost town / pioneer cemetery. 5) Return up Ave. 76E, then continue west on Hyder Rd. checking out the ghost towns of Hyder and Horn. 6) Head south on Ave. 64E to Dateland Army Airfield. 7) Finish the day with a date shake, before heading back to Phoenix at a rush hour avoiding time. :scared:

Painted Rock Petroglyphs: There are two small hills. The western, larger, hill has very few samples. The eastern, smaller, hill has tons of glyphs. Some so dense you cannot distinguish the symbols. Some more modern, ranging in my view from 1879 to 1954. The indian petroglyphs were mostly on the south side; I wonder if there is some social significance to that, similar to the Navajo having their hogan doors facing east? :-k But you can see pretty much everything there is to see in 30 minutes, an hour at most if you read the entirety of the many info signs. Video: youtu.be/ozE_w8PXhx4 .

West of Painted Rock, the road becomes gravel, but is a decent, car-drivable, surface. After crossing the bone dry Gila River, where the road Ts, we turned left on Oatman Rd.

Fourr Cemetery: The Fourr family were pioneers who settled on Oatman Flat in the 1870s, where the father was a rancher and Butterfield Stage agent. Four of their six children born on Oatman Flat are buried in the cemetery. It's very tiny, but well maintained and quite peaceful. Amazingly, there is 4-bar Verizon reception here, perhaps due to the antenna farm on Oatman Mountain. This is as far as you should go without at least AWD. :stop:

Oatman Memorial: We followed a farm road that had very deep, very fine, dusty surface. I had fun trying to keep my SUV pointing straight ahead as the rear waved back-and-forth. :D After a mile, we got out and walked the rest of the way to what I thought was the massacre site, but which turned out to be the memorial. I hate leaving things incomplete, so I will be back to visit the massacre site, which is on the south bluff of the Gila River, about a quarter mile from the memorial.

... Fourr / Oatman Video: youtu.be/gEImSFTLfCo

We returned up the dusty farm road, and Oatman Rd., then I looked for a short cut to Rocky Point Rd. to avoid driving back around the farm. There is no short cut, but I did find a "car farm", with at least four vehicles from the 1930s. Rocky Point Rd., from the farm up to the pass, has a fair amount of gravel, some of it larger, but should still be car drivable: Just go slow to avoid kicking anything up into your oil pan. (Help is a long way away.) From the top of the pass down to Hyder Rd. is smooth sailing, as is the first several miles west on Hyder Rd., which is also dirt.

Agua Caliente: The Pioneer Cemetery ( youtu.be/AuX-rY1eM4E ) is still being occasionally used. The most recent burial I saw was 2012, oldest birth of a resident was a husband (b. 1835) and wife (b. 1836). Lots of Conde, Perez and Amabisca family members there. Most of the older graves are unmarked. One was obviously empty! :o After lunch and a quick Nooner -- get your filthy mind out of the gutter, it's a beer! :D -- I checked out the remains of Agua Caliente ( youtu.be/lVBayp8Xh1g ). There are several intact walls, and many very decayed. I wanted to scope out the spa, but it was plastered with "No Tresspassing" signs, and had a huge satellite dish, so someone was keeping an eye on it. Onward!

We returned to Hyder Rd. I wanted to stop at what looked like an old motel on Ave. 76E, and also check out the many abandoned buildings in Hyder, but they all had "No Trespassing" signs, and the old motel looked like someone lived on the ground in trailer. :gun: I've no need for bullet holes, so skipped them. I found two abandoned sites just west of Hyder. The first looked like an old motor court, complete with an obvious pool for weary travellers. The second, included a one-pump gas station, and several other foundations. No memorials on Hyder Rd., as there is so little traffic you will probably not see another moving vehicle unless you stop to do some exploring.

Horn: Quite a few foundations in Horn, and an incredible amount of old bottles, especially green. Many of the bottles were intact, so a I snagged a few. There were also several of what looked like covered mine shafts. There's no mine shafts on the topo, so maybe they were wells, or something else? :-k

Dateland Army Airfield: I did not realize Camp Horn was so close, or we would have stopped there as well. (Future trip ...) Instead, we turned south for Dateland Army Airfield. It's much larger than I an anticipated, and I had no idea where any remaining buildings would be, so we pretty much walked out to the end of Runway 1/19 (the longest) took a quick look, then headed back to the SUV. A local had seen us, and stopped to chat. He clued us in to one building, which is where they zeroed machineguns. It look like a back stop: Open on one side, with a mound of sand against the opposite wall. Lots of graffiti inside.

Our tour complete, it was time for date shakes. :y:
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