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Jul 15 2018
MountainMatt
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27 male
 Joined Jan 24 2016
 Arizona
East Clear Creek - FR95 to Kinder CrossingPayson, AZ
Payson, AZ
Hiking avatar Jul 15 2018
MountainMatt
Hiking1.20 Miles 84 AEG
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84 ft AEG25 LBS Pack
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Originally we were hauling towards Victorine Crossing with hopes of hitting up Leonard Canyon but came to a quick halt at the temporary closure of the Tinder Fire, with excitement of all the forests reopening I totally forgot they probably still had that area closed to do erosion and deadfall danger which they did.

We instead bounced down to the “Tourst Trap TH”, the FR 95 bridge is the dividing line of the Tinder Fire closure at ECC and all the good stuff and everything downstream is still off limits so we opted to head upstream.

Besides the disgusting amount of trash at the start it seems not many venture more than a half mile because after that this place actually became rather idyllic.
I’m not sure why or how I’ve overlooked this place all of this time but I definitely think an easy overnighter downstream after the Tinder closure will be on the agenda.
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dry Barbershop Canyon Dry Dry
Dry at ECC confluence but pools could be seen from the road further upstream.
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Jun 04 2017
nonot
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 Joined Nov 18 2005
 Phoenix, AZ
East Clear Creek - FR95 to Kinder CrossingPayson, AZ
Payson, AZ
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nonot
Hiking11.00 Miles 350 AEG
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Nice temperatures, not too brushy.
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Oct 09 2016
survivordude
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38 male
 Joined Aug 19 2009
 The Basin
East Clear Creek - FR95 to Kinder CrossingPayson, AZ
Payson, AZ
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survivordude
Hiking2.00 Miles 100 AEG
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Took the family and some friends on annual camping trip for the Wife's birthday. Visited the moon on Friday night then mostly relaxed the rest of the weekend. We did take several hikes exploring around the area. Went a mile or so up the creek to some fishing holes with the kids. This is a beautiful canyon. Lots of fall colors from all of the oaks up there. Really smokey and low visibility all weekend due to prescribed burns in the area. Made it kind of creepy for October.. We caught about 50 crawfish (with some help) and enjoyed the evening feast!
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Aug 13 2016
The_Eagle
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63 male
 Joined Jan 20 2009
 Far NE Phoenix,
Lower Barbershop - East CC Loop, AZ 
Lower Barbershop - East CC Loop, AZ
 
Hiking avatar Aug 13 2016
The_Eagle
Hiking13.79 Miles 1,250 AEG
Hiking13.79 Miles   8 Hrs   28 Mns   1.87 mph
1,250 ft AEG   1 Hour   5 Mns Break15 LBS Pack
 
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rayhuston
Tortoise_Hiker
Ever since the first time I drove up FR96 the first time, Lower Barbershop Canyon intrigued me. I took probably 6 years to finally get to it.
The planned loop took us CCW down Dane/Barbershop into East Clear Creek and up another first time for me, Lockwood Draw.

From the Sat views I could tell Barbershop was loaded with lots of pools. You can't of course tell how many drops or bypasses would be required. As it ends up, once you are in the Canyon :-k , it was relatively simple with no down climbs or even swimmers. Lower Barbershop is a very pretty canyon. Tall walls and picturesque pools. Our trip in this canyon lasted 7 miles, dropping only 340'. We did stumble on two Blacktail Rattlers in this stretch. One so small, it's rattle sounded cute.

Next is East Clear Creek. Once you get 100 yards or so either side of the paved parking area, we saw no one. We were in here only 2 miles to get to Lockwood Draw. The first mile of this one gets some traffic, so you have a trail.

Turning into Lockwood Draw, I had less worries for hiking up this one. After all, it's not even a Canyon, It's a Draw. After making it in only .2 of a mile in, we reached the first 20' dry-fall, that would have to be bypassed. We climbed up to get a better view. Ahead, the terrain was thick and we could see other required bypasses. Were getting bombarded by mosquitoes at this point. I'd scoped some old forest roads above that we could use for an escape route, so we climbed straight up and out of the canyon. We were lucky to be able to find a route that only had one tricky spot.

The rest, was a cruise back to the Focus. We saw some Elk and well as one larger Bull that was loosing his velvet on the way back.

Good times gentlemen.
We laughed, we cried, we got wet and lived to tell the story.
Thanks for driving Denny and Ray for dinner at "That Brewery" in Pine.
I had my first Arizona Trail Ale!
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Plenty of pools beteween Dane and East Clear Creek

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Pools in the areas approaching Barbershop
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Aug 13 2016
joebartels
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49 male
 Joined Nov 20 1996
 Phoenix, AZ
Lower Barbershop - East CC Loop, AZ 
Lower Barbershop - East CC Loop, AZ
 
Hiking avatar Aug 13 2016
joebartels
Hiking14.00 Miles 1,100 AEG
Hiking14.00 Miles   8 Hrs   28 Mns   1.96 mph
1,100 ft AEG   1 Hour   20 Mns Break14 LBS Pack
 
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note to self: double sock layer in all creeks, come prepared like Aravaipa or endure the pebbles

Started out almost chilly :y:

We dropped down into slippery steep Dane Canyon. Bruce had Culture Club on his mind and tumbled for us. Either highly skilled or lucky beyond words it all worked out. Once in Barbershop the first two miles were my favorite. The views and temps were just dandy. Then it was repetitive, warming and my feet became the view more and more.

Out of Barbershop we did a repeat of East CC we just hiked last month. Compared to Barbershop it's a highway with use trails. Next up Lockwood Draw looked mighty inviting. We popped out around an obstacle then noticed more up ahead. During a five minute break the local mosquito blood bank declared war. Throw in 2pm and jumping out of this canyon seemed like the logical choice.

Upon topping out we took FR96C back to the car. This turned out to be my second favorite portion of the hike. We had tall pines all day. It was a bonus to stroll along this fading old road as a nice breeze pushed away the heat of the day.

It's been four years since the eagle dropped the tortoise on battleship. Great to see he's getting his confidence back and knowing who to trust. Ray switched to highly sophisticated water and it seemed to make the difference. Turned out to be a great late summer hike for all.

carried 4qts, consumed 2.75
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Wildflowers Observation Moderate
several pretty fields of lupine, monster tall brown-eyed susan, abundant red cinquefoil in areas, western dayflower
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Aug 13 2016
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57 male
 Joined Apr 02 2005
 Mesa, AZ
Lower Barbershop - East CC Loop, AZ 
Lower Barbershop - East CC Loop, AZ
 
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Tortoise_Hiker
Hiking14.00 Miles 1,100 AEG
Hiking14.00 Miles   8 Hrs   28 Mns   1.65 mph
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:o :scared: Bruce is one tough & lucky Eagle. He took the biggest fall I've witnessed on a hike. We have all did our share of falling but usually stop at the first impact. To see him bounce and flip a couple more times over the rocks and down the hill was so scary. I really think if he didn't land on his pack (on boulder) it would have broke his back. Then he hiked 14 miles :worthy: .
Joe, Bruce, and Ray let me join them on a nice off trail canyon hike. This area was new to me and very cool. Lots of lush vegetation, water, crawdads galore, cliffs, and solitude. Also poison Ivy and a couple Rattlers we avoided. The water crossings were actually refreshing and it really never got to hot. We had to bail out of our last canyon due to time , dry falls, and overgrowth. We did get to see some Elk on our back up route 8) . Always a great time hiking with these guys!
On the way home we stopped at that brewery in pine for burgers, fries, tater tots, and a cold one. Thanks Ray! The weather was great and we sat outside where the local band was playing (Country). The boys don't let me play Country in the car but I'm pretty sure I saw them tapping their feet :DANCE: . Great hike, weather, company, food, and music. Thanks Gentlemen! :y:
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Jul 16 2016
joebartels
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 Joined Nov 20 1996
 Phoenix, AZ
E Clear Creek - Horse Crossing - CC Cragin Dam, AZ 
E Clear Creek - Horse Crossing - CC Cragin Dam, AZ
 
Hiking avatar Jul 16 2016
joebartels
Hiking17.60 Miles 1,900 AEG
Hiking17.60 Miles   8 Hrs   40 Mns   2.51 mph
1,900 ft AEG   1 Hour   40 Mns Break14 LBS Pack
 
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Bruce threw this loop together. We parked in a lot near the confluence of ECC & Barbershop Canyon. Immediately got our feet wet crossing the creek. Then hiked almost 7 miles to Horse Crossing, crossing the creek a bunch. Usually a foot or two deep, once waist high. The cool water was simply enjoyable.

Only two blips of elevation you might very well miss if you sneezed. Lots of pines throughout the entire loop. Temps were nice in the shade and semi hot in the shade.

Headed to Moqui Lookout Tower. A FS guy stopped us mentioning the area was closed due to a suspicious package under the tower. The Dynamic Sweet-talking Duo babbled up a storm and we continued up the closed road. By the time we reached the tower the situation was resolved. A nice lady that has been working this tower for seventeen years showed up. She just wanted to eat lunch. However the Dynamic Sweet-talking Duo had us in the tower in under five minutes. I would have walked around the mountain but you know how these pesky goal oriented hikers roll.

Headed over and down to CC Cragin. Looked busy but only a dozen or two actually on the lake. The dam and spillway are interesting. Maybe they're all like this but I never noticed. The spillway vaults logs airborne then they crash down a series of choppy steps to break up.

2.5 more creek miles didn't sound great. The water crossings were so refreshing it went by quick.
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Nice tall summer yellow creek wildflowers typical here and WCC, some up to seven feet tall! Two stretches in the creek had heavy mint, which was scentrific! Lots of healthy Wild Bergamot throughout the creek portions.
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Jul 16 2016
chumley
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 Tempe, AZ
ECC Blue Ridge to Horse Crossing Loop, AZ 
ECC Blue Ridge to Horse Crossing Loop, AZ
 
Hiking avatar Jul 16 2016
chumley
Hiking17.66 Miles 1,900 AEG
Hiking17.66 Miles   8 Hrs   39 Mns   2.60 mph
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Two hours of breaks. That was the theme today. ;)

I agree with Joel's description: the section of ECC from 95 to Kinder is probably the most scenic. We were able to bypass the swimmer on the cliffs on the left. Surprisingly there was nobody at Kinder. Or Horse. Though we spotted two people down that way later after we had climbed out of the canyon and were taking another break.

We hit the Pokéstop at Moqui and enjoyed some suspicious lunch from Joe's duffel but were disappointed to find somebody had molested the disc at the old Blue Ridge tower site. Skirted private property down to the lake. It looked super busy, but it appeared most people didn't venture past the boat ramp, with only 5-6 watercraft between there and the dam.

Speaking of the dam. Damn! Hadn't ever been down below it before and it's impressive. The flow in ECC downstream is the result of a single 3" pipe. Probably a required output as part of the SRP agreement. Luckily ECC has numerous seeps and springs along the way that slowly add more flow. The first half mile from the dam is an unpleasant bouldery mess. It gets better/typical after that.

Nice to cover a 10-mile stretch in the creek today. Thanks to Eagle for drawing it up and driving, and to Joe for sitting in back. :)
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water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water less than maxwater less than max CC Cragin Reservoir 26-50% full 26-50% full
44% full. Elev 6680, about 30 feet below full pool
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Jul 16 2016
The_Eagle
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 Far NE Phoenix,
ECC-Horse Crossing-Blue Ridge Loop, AZ 
ECC-Horse Crossing-Blue Ridge Loop, AZ
 
Hiking avatar Jul 16 2016
The_Eagle
Hiking17.51 Miles 1,961 AEG
Hiking17.51 Miles   8 Hrs   41 Mns   2.38 mph
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I threw out a bunch of options this week and this was the one that stuck. The 6.5 mile drive on FR95 is more like the I-95 "expressway". You could probably drive a sports car on it right now.

Tall Pines and water were the theme for the day. We were the first vehicle in the 17 space paved parking. We were in the creek almost immediately. For the first 6.8 miles, we were able to cross or bypass water, never getting deeper than our knees. The Canyons and views are real sweet here. At about the 4 mile mark, you hit the western section of the Kinder Crossing Trail #19. surprisingly, we never saw anyone here.

At Horse Crossing Trail #20, Chums topped off his water and we made the short lived .8 mile 500+ ft climb to FR513B above.

Next it's off to the Moqui Lookout tower. We had a discussion with Forest Service Law enforcement as to why the road/gate was closed to the tower. We determined that no "Suspicious Package" under the lookout tower was going to stop us. The Suspicious Package ended up being someones lunch.

The views from this tower were especially good. Some of the best I've seen from this Keeps 132' tall, 14' x 14' perch.

The potentially tricky part of the day was next. We had to scrabble off the top of the Rim and get down to the CC Cragin Reservoir. Chums overlaid the Property map on my GPS track and we were able to skirt the Private Property and find an old unmarked "use road", I'd seen on the Satellite Views. It worked out better than expected.

We stopped and checked out the Blue Ridge Dam for a bit and made our final push down ECC back to the vehicle. On this stretch, we had out deepest crossing of the day, up to our waist. The 2.5 miles clicked off pretty quickly.

Temps on the Garmin recorded 70 for a low, to the mid 90's a few times on the day. When in the wind, shade and/or water, it was very comfortable.
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Per Chumley, 44% full

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Nothing Observed as it entered ECC
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 Payson, AZ
Leonard Canyon & East Clear Creek, AZ 
Leonard Canyon & East Clear Creek, AZ
 
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The_N
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Myself and Minkis were in need of some time in the woods. I've been too busy to get out much and Minkis is coming off hernia surgery and wanted to car camp with his dogs. He proposed a return to Victorine Crossing and I didn't hesitate to agree. Day 1 we hiked down into Leonard via Victorine Crossing. The creek bed was bone dry and the first big pool was almost empty. Fortunately the swimming hole at our usual camp site was full and cold, probably due to it being mostly shaded. We spent the day creekside while listening to thunder rumbling in the distance. We started our hike out just in time. As we approached the vehicle, it began to lightly rain and just before a lightning bolt struck a tree just feet from us. The sensation I felt before the loud crash was indescribable. We quickly got in the vehicle and I cracked open a cold beer immediately. This short, intense storm passed rather quickly and we set up camp. Day 2 we stopped at East Clear Creek for some creekside hiking / wading as we made our way toward Kinder Crossing. At a nice slow pace we stopped at every deep pool for a swim. We didn't end up making it to Kinder, which was good because Minkis was sore and we still had to walk back. We exited the canyon via game trails and got back on FR95.
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 Puhoynix, AZ
Horse Crossing Trail #20Payson, AZ
Payson, AZ
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toddak
Canyoneering14.00 Miles 1,000 AEG
Canyoneering14.00 Miles   8 Hrs      1.75 mph
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Canyon Hiking - Non-technical; no rope; easy scrambling; occasional hand use
B - Up to light current; wading/swimming; possible wet/dry suit
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Started at the Blue Ridge Reservoir dam and followed East Clear Creek downstream to Horse Crossing, about 8 creek miles. Exited at Horse and followed the roads back past Moqui lookout tower (nice views up there) then west along the mesa until able to drop back down to the dam road, about 6 miles, with some moderate bushwhack on the final descent.

With numerous access points this stretch of ECC gets pretty heavy use, there is a fisherman's trail most of the way, generally easy walking and only one mandatory short swim. Nothing nearly as spectacular as its clear creek cousin to the west (few places are), but a very pleasant creek hike nonetheless, with plenty of cool swim holes.
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