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Nov 14 2015
The_Eagle
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63 male
 Joined Jan 20 2009
 Far NE Phoenix,
Fish Creek Ridge - Fish Creek Canyon Loop, AZ 
Fish Creek Ridge - Fish Creek Canyon Loop, AZ
 
Hiking avatar Nov 14 2015
The_Eagle
Hiking14.79 Miles 2,400 AEG
Hiking14.79 Miles   9 Hrs   6 Mns   1.83 mph
2,400 ft AEG   1 Hour    Break14 LBS Pack
 
1st trip
I'd always wanted to hit up the Fish Creek area. We though we might be a little early for some color, but the Temps were gonna be perfect.

We were the first to park at the Fish Creek Bridge area and headed up the Apache Trail towards our turn off, across from the Comfort Station. We hit up the Fliver mark and made our way across Ridge. We had things we wanted to get to and travel across the top was slower than anticipated, so after 2.5 miles of travel we hit up FR213 to make up some time..

Next past the old ranch area, we found our way to the old cairned route of Fish Creek via Lost Dutch. This trail is still there, but easy to loose if you don't pay attention. Down in Fish Creek, the first goal here was to find the Fish Creek Cave. [ photo ] Without knowing it's location, you'll walk right past it.

We had some lunch outside the cave and started the trip back down Fish Creek.

Smaller rocks turn into bigger rocks turn into boulders, turn into houses. You pick up more and more pools of water and the the superstitions turn into a jungle in spots. I kept getting mad at the scenery as I'd already taken way too many photos.

The last 1.5 miles is the slowest and demands you have to pick the correct route up, over, under, through boulder mazes. Joe called it a Ninja training ground and that pretty much sums this portion up.

What a special area and fun time.
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From the Apache Trail Bridge south, there were numerous small to large pools of clear cool wster to filter from
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Mar 22 2014
chumley
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46 male
 Joined Sep 18 2002
 Tempe, AZ
Fish Creek Upper Bridge Loop, AZ 
Fish Creek Upper Bridge Loop, AZ
 
Canyoneering avatar Mar 22 2014
chumley
Canyoneering11.74 Miles 1,913 AEG
Canyoneering11.74 Miles   8 Hrs   40 Mns   1.35 mph
1,913 ft AEG
Canyon Hiking - Non-technical; no rope; easy scrambling; occasional hand use
B - Up to light current; wading/swimming; possible wet/dry suit
II - Normally requires a half day
 
1st trip
Claire read about a loop in some Supes book, and I'd never done Fish Creek, so I did a quick glance at some tracks on HAZ, and it looked reasonable, so we headed out.

The creek/canyon is beautiful, but very slow going for the first 2 miles or so. As it opens up a bit, the pace increases. We filtered some water where the hike leaves the creek, in anticipation for the long, warm hike back around and down to the bridge.

Plenty of cairns going up the hill make it pretty easy to follow, but the spring grasses make it tough in some spots. A steady eye is necessary for those without a GPS-track to follow (like me).

Once back on FS213, you wonder how somebody in a Jeep can't get out there :whistle: . It's an easy and relatively flat hike back to the 88. The hike down Fish Creek Hill is great too, save for the dust from the occasional passing car. It was late enough in the day that traffic was light. I helped push a truck out of a ditch. Walking down FCH is also nicer than driving because you can stop and look over the edge more. There are no fewer than 8 vehicles that met their demise on this stretch of road, left to rust on the hillside hundreds of feet below. And at least one boat.

The gem of this hike is the first couple of miles of creek, but the rest of the loop makes it a solid hiking day.
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Apr 20 2013
hikerdw
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60 male
 Joined Aug 16 2009
 Mesa,AZ
Fish Creek via Lost DutchPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
Hiking avatar Apr 20 2013
hikerdw
Hiking11.40 Miles 827 AEG
Hiking11.40 Miles   5 Hrs   48 Mns   2.65 mph
827 ft AEG   1 Hour   30 Mns Break
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I have been wanting to check out Fish Creek and Lost Dutch Canyons and with the weather starting to warm up I figured now would be a good time, so someday was today. The off trail hike over to the canyon junctions, although somewhat over grown, really wasn't that bad. I was expecting some cat claw, even brought the clippers, but there was none. Lost Dutch was dry but there was a nice flow in Fish Creek. The boulder hoping slowed us down a little but we easily made our way over to the cave to check it out. We continued a little further past the cave then found a nice spot in some shade to relax and take in the beauty of the area (not hard to do on this trip). We returned the same way back to the TH, had lunch, and then made the walk out FS213 to the truck. Someday I will have a vehicle that can make that drive; is "that" someday today? :D I only wish.

dry Lost Dutch Canyon Dry Dry
No flow today.
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Nov 03 2012
AZLOT69
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68 male
 Joined Feb 12 2002
 Gold Canyon, AZ
Fish Creek via Lost DutchPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
Hiking avatar Nov 03 2012
AZLOT69
Hiking9.80 Miles 1,166 AEG
Hiking9.80 Miles
1,166 ft AEG
 
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Fun day, Fish Creek very dry. Did plenty of off trail exploring and paid the price in blood loss.
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Jun 24 2012
TheNaviG8R
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49 male
 Joined Jul 26 2008
 Mesa, AZ
Fish Creek via Lost DutchPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
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TheNaviG8R
Hiking1.80 Miles 628 AEG
Hiking1.80 Miles
628 ft AEG
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Well this is where it all started... the JF trail #106. WE opted to drive in on FR 213 to reduce the miles since we were unsure of how long this was going to take us to complete our trip. Our destination was to go down Fish Creek and exit at the bridge (shuttle). We made quick work getting down to the creek bed but sure enough, that was soon a thing of the past. The "scrambling, squeezing, crawling and walking on slick ledges" began. This is one of them hikes that is truly worth doing, even it's only once. As you get deep into the canyon you are literally looking up 1000 ft. sheer cliffs. It's really quite spectacular. At times you have to stop just to listen to the birds sing as you tend to fall out of reality and become overwhelmed in the majestic beauty this canyon has to offer. A very nice hike it was. :y:
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Jun 24 2012
TheNaviG8R
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49 male
 Joined Jul 26 2008
 Mesa, AZ
Fish Creek Canyon - Upper BridgePhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
Canyoneering avatar Jun 24 2012
TheNaviG8R
Canyoneering3.50 Miles 950 AEG
Canyoneering3.50 Miles
950 ft AEG
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We started the hike at the end of FR213 at the JF trail #106 and made the easy trek down to Fish Creek. From the creek we made a left and continued downstream (dry) for a short distance and then the real fun began. We encountered several areas in which we cliffed out and had to search for some "not so safe" alternative routes to continue our journey towards the bridge. The creek bed was very dry until we were approximately .3 miles from the end our journey in which there were large pools that required more "scouting" to navigate our way without swimming. This was a ton of fun but would not recommend this if you are not familiar with hiking in creek beds because this one can eat you up.
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Dec 04 2010
Vaporman
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 Joined Mar 28 2005
 SLC, Utah
Fish Creek Cyn - Bridge to Roger's CanyonGlobe, AZ
Globe, AZ
Canyoneering avatar Dec 04 2010
Vaporman
Canyoneering22.50 Miles 2,500 AEG
Canyoneering22.50 Miles1 Day   4 Hrs      
2,500 ft AEG
Basic Canyoneering - Scrambling; easy climbing/downclimbing; frequent hand use; rope recommended; easy exit
A - Dry or little water; shallow or avoidable water; no wet/dry suit
V - Average one and a half days
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Tortilla TH along FR213 to Tortilla Ranch to JF trail to Tortilla Pass to Angel Basin down Rogers Canyon to upper Fish Creek Canyon down to Lost Dutch Canyon over to Tortilla Ranch and back along FR213 to Tortilla TH :sweat:

Such a sweet loop in the rugged & less visited north central Supes! :y: I'd almost forgotten how much I feel in love with the many canyons in this area and was again blown away with the rugged beauty of it all on the drive & hike in & out. :o It was exactly a year ago that I first did this loop with some other HAZ guys and unfortunately we got rained on pretty good that second day but I enjoyed the loop enough that I'd been itching to re-hike it when winter came back around. This hike was also the only time I met GPSjoe & friends and was reflecting on what a pleasant encounter that was when I passed that section. ;)

Worked that Saturday morning so hit the TH that afternoon and made quick work of FR213 though sections of that JF trail are almost returned to nature. :? I stayed on course for the most part with some light thorny bushwhacking though some sections had me briefly stop in my tracks and question where the trail went before pushing on... Great views of Supes Ridgeline off in the distance and Tortilla Mt had me longing to soon hike those as well. I rolled into Tortilla Pass just in time around sunset and setup camp for the evening. Since I was solo, a warm night & just an overnighter, I choose to forgo a fire or tent and just slept under the stars and played iPhone games while star gazing through the LONG evening. :)

Slept in a bit the next morning so quickly broke camp and hit that brushy Rogers Canyon trail down to Rogers Canyon and found some clean pools to snag a couple liters from. Once down in Rogers Canyon, I dropped my pack and hiked upstream to Angel Basin to check out those cool ruins again before heading back downstream. Lower Rogers Canyon is always a treat to hike thru and even moreso with all the Fall colors. :D Hit the confluence with Fish Creek Canyon and began the long rock hop. After passing a couple pools, I hit the sweet 'narrows' section that was lightly flowing & full of water though it wasn't quite warm enough for a swim so I did the class 3 bypass on the left which is much easier when it's dry. :GB: The geology of this canyon is quite amazing but after loads & loads of rock hopping that exit trail at Lost Dutch Canyon is a welcome relief. :sweat: Plus I didn't have enough daylight to push on to the bridge. Put the gloves back on and took that thorny route up & back over to Tortilla Ranch and was able to catch another beautiful sunset while hiking out on FR213. :D

Sweet! Other than at the TH along AZ88, I didn't see another soul the whole time while out hiking. :DANCE:
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May 10 2010
joebartels
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49 male
 Joined Nov 20 1996
 Phoenix, AZ
Fish Creek via Lost DutchPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
Hiking avatar May 10 2010
joebartels
Hiking4.25 Miles 870 AEG
Hiking4.25 Miles   6 Hrs      0.71 mph
870 ft AEG
 
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Rare cool May hike in the desert with John and Owen. John explored some high alcoves while Owen and I napped at the creek. Actually got chills and had to move into the sun.

Pretty Dodder scattered about on the hike is invading various plant life. New Mexican Thistle is blooming from their tall stalks. White Ratany is mixed in with the dominate Fairy Duster. Rattlesnake Weed covers sections as the Brittlebush takes it's last gasp of life.

We wanted a jhodlof experience so we hit up the authentic Mickey D's. Mickey tried to lock us in but we sweet talked our way out.

Another 4WD road bites the dust to a 2WD Toyota :)
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May 10 2010
johnlp
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62 male
 Joined Mar 16 2008
 chandler,az
Fish Creek via Lost DutchPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
Hiking avatar May 10 2010
johnlp
Hiking4.70 Miles 1,300 AEG
Hiking4.70 Miles
1,300 ft AEG
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Hiked with Joe and Superstition Guy (Owen). First time to Fish Creek. No sign of Jesse. Very cool area. Did a little off trail exploration, but no gold this time. Thanks Owen for the lunch and thanks Joe for driving. Excellent adventure.
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Dec 05 2009
Vaporman
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40 male
 Joined Mar 28 2005
 SLC, Utah
Fish Creek Cyn - Bridge to Roger's CanyonGlobe, AZ
Globe, AZ
Canyoneering avatar Dec 05 2009
Vaporman
Canyoneering16.00 Miles 2,000 AEG
Canyoneering16.00 Miles1 Day   4 Hrs      
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Basic Canyoneering - Scrambling; easy climbing/downclimbing; frequent hand use; rope recommended; easy exit
A - Dry or little water; shallow or avoidable water; no wet/dry suit
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This loops been on my list since Nonot wrote this trip description last winter, then Tewa posted an overnight trip for this weekend, I hadn't hiked the JF trail yet or this upper part of Fish, I also hadn't backpacked the Supes since Boy Scouts, and it also turned out to be a great hike to tag along with Wally & Mike on. :y: This loop is kinna borderline long day hike or relaxed overnighter. Wally was willing to drive his Jeep in on that crazy Tortilla Road :scared: so that saves us 3 miles of hiking each way and I logged us only hiking 9 hours those two days if I subtract my half hour sidetrip to Angel Basin. That JF trail isn't in too bad of shape and the views into the canyons along the way was pretty cool. It was also cool to finally meet GPSJoe, SunHiker, and Grashhopper on the trail as well. We eventually Tortilla Pass after some pushing thru the bushes and then angled north towards Angel Basin thru some slightly nasty catclaw just before reaching it. It's been a couple winters since I checked out the ruins, so I took a sidetrip up there while the others continued downstream to the Rogers/Fish confluence at setup camp. Those ruins were as sweet as ever and then I picked up my pack to hammer out the last 2 miles of the day. :D Wally & Mike had chosen a great campsite and already collected plenty of firewood, so all I had to do was show up and cook dinner. :lol: I hike a little slower with a full backpack and get slowed down by taking photos, so that evening I was able to talk more with them and get to know them better since we got in early and had a couple hours of daylight to burn. When darkness set it, we started the fire since it was getting cold fast. Some clouds rolled in and then left making us feel safe that it wouldn't rain when Wally & I finally turned in around 10pm only sleeping on pad/tarp .

The next morning I wake up around 5am to some like sprinkles, so I opened up my tarp and tried my best to cover myself with it before going back to sleep. It rained pretty good those next couple hours and the water got in my tarp and puddled lightly so my bag did get a little wet, but I stayed pretty warm and dry inside. The rain stopped for about an hour while we woke up, made breakfast, broke down camp, and packed up just as more rain came. No point sitting around and complaining about it, so we hit the wet Fish Creek Canyon and carefully rock hopped our way downstream slowly perfecting our wet boulder dances. :GB: We soon hit that pool that needs to be bypassed and it was slightly tricky on the wet rock. We made it to that Goat Canyon hoping it was Lost Dutch Canyon but we still had another 2 miles to go. :sweat: After another tedious couple miles of wet rock hopping & boulder scrambling thru the scenic Fish Creek canyon we eventually hit Lost Dutch. We decided pretty early on to take this short cut out of the canyon and back to our vehicle since we didn't have a shuttle setup and the next three miles downstream would involve loads of scrambling and some shallow pools to wade thru. We made short work of the route from Lost Dutch and were very happy to reach the Jeep and make the bumby drive back out the Tortilla Road. 8)
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Nov 15 2009
Vaporman
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40 male
 Joined Mar 28 2005
 SLC, Utah
Fish Creek Canyon - Upper BridgePhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
Canyoneering avatar Nov 15 2009
Vaporman
Canyoneering8.00 Miles 1,200 AEG
Canyoneering8.00 Miles   5 Hrs   10 Mns   1.55 mph
1,200 ft AEG
Basic Canyoneering - Scrambling; easy climbing/downclimbing; frequent hand use; rope recommended; easy exit
B - Up to light current; wading/swimming; possible wet/dry suit
III - Normally requires most of a day
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After descending into Fish Creek near the bridge via Minnow Canyon, I decided to head upstream towards Lost Dutchman Canyon and complete a Fish Creek upper loop via FR213 back to my car. Thankfully the creek wasn't flowing much so I made fairly good progress considering all the rock hopping and up climbing required to get past the first half mile or so. After I got past that, there's loads of pools so I changed into my sandals and just plowed thru them for the next mile or so until the creekbed was completely dry after passing a spring/seep. From then on it was fairly easy rock hopping up to Lost Dutchman Canyon were there's a faint trail up and over the saddle to Tortilla Ranch were I just hopped on the rough FR213 and cruised back to my car making it back just around sunset. :D
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Apr 13 2009
AZLOT69
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 Gold Canyon, AZ
Fish Creek via Lost DutchPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
Hiking avatar Apr 13 2009
AZLOT69
Hiking3.60 Miles 628 AEG
Hiking3.60 Miles   4 Hrs      0.90 mph
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This is a difficult trail to follow at this point. I did a lot of maintenance on it today, rebuilding cairns and trimming back vegetation. Awesome views and waterworks await the adventurer.
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Mar 10 2007
AZLOT69
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68 male
 Joined Feb 12 2002
 Gold Canyon, AZ
Fish Creek Canyon - Upper BridgePhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
Hiking avatar Mar 10 2007
AZLOT69
Hiking8.50 Miles 700 AEG
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Veni, Vidi, Vici, ( I came I saw, I conquered ), of course, the famous words written by Adolph Ruth in 1931 in his quest for the Lost Dutchmans Mine. What a feeling he must have had as he wrote those words. When I completed this loop I searched for words to describe. These three words, and the associated pictures, perhaps can help the reader to appreciate the beauty and difficulty in successfully traversing the Fish Creek. You will need all your skills, knowledge and abilities to complete this difficult, seldom completed loop.
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