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Jul 04 2017
JuanJaimeiii
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52 male
 Joined Jan 30 2011
 Chandler, AZ
Pine Canyon / Geronimo LoopPayson, AZ
Payson, AZ
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JuanJaimeiii
Hiking21.67 Miles 4,344 AEG
Hiking21.67 Miles   7 Hrs   4 Mns   3.07 mph
4,344 ft AEG      1 Min Break
 
Did the Pine Canyon Geronimo Loop. I took the West Webber down to The Geronimo Trailhead. There was water flowing in a couple creek beds along the way. Nice and cold which was very refreshing on this hot day! :y: The bonus was some wild raspberries along the West Webber. The ones at Geronimo aren't ready yet.

The return on the Highline was a warm one. Nice hike! Happy Fourth of July!

dry Turkey Spring Dry Dry

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Sep 05 2015
The_N
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 Payson, AZ
Pine Canyon / Geronimo LoopPayson, AZ
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The_N
Hiking20.77 Miles 4,212 AEG
Hiking20.77 Miles   7 Hrs      3.15 mph
4,212 ft AEG      24 Mns Break
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The forecast called for perfect weather to knock out a 20-miler. Cool temps and an early morning fog sitting over the rim gave this hike an autumn feel. I like the new route through Pine Canyon. East Rim Trail was it's usual sweat inducing self, although the soil and rocks seemed to be looser this time. I followed Joe's recent route through the locust forest atop MRP and found it much more pleasant than my previous trip. There was even something resembling a trail. There were quite a few hikers and backpackers, more numerous as I got closer to the Pine TH. About a mile West of Red Rock Spring a group of 6 young adults going the opposite direction stopped me to inquire about a spring that might be ahead. All but one was dressed in all black, none had on day packs & were only carrying a liter water bottle each. I informed them the spring was dry and they might want to consider turning around. Pine TH was packed upon my return, with fully automatic gunfire echoing through the canyon. Awesome hike and another beautiful day in Rim Country!
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Oak leaves along West Webber Trail were starting to change.

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Slightly more water than previous trip, still a muddy seep.

dry Red Rock Spring Dry Dry
Spring box was dry. Didn't investigate further up the hill.

dry South Fork of West Webber Creek Dry Dry
Dry at crossing.

dry Turkey Spring Dry Dry
Spring box was dry. Didn't investigate further down the trail.

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Pools to filter from.
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Aug 09 2015
JuanJaimeiii
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JuanJaimeiii
Hiking20.40 Miles 4,224 AEG
Hiking20.40 Miles   7 Hrs   29 Mns   2.96 mph
4,224 ft AEG      36 Mns Break
 
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JohnLP and I headed up to the Rim Country for an enjoyable hike. We were originally going to do this clockwise but changed plans early on and did it counter clockwise. Probably a wise move as it can get hot on the highline mid-day this time of year.

Nothing too exciting to note on this trip but no mishaps either with the exception of a missed a turn up on the Rim. It was noticed soon enough and we were back on track in no time.

Enjoyable hike as always!
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Aug 09 2015
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Hiking20.40 Miles 4,224 AEG
Hiking20.40 Miles   7 Hrs   33 Mns   2.83 mph
4,224 ft AEG      21 Mns Break
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We decided to hike this one counterclockwise after missing the first turn. Oops. The 8 miles on the Highline is probably better hiked in the morning before it gets hot anyway. Hiking commenced before 8 AM and by 8:30 it was getting warm. Throughout the hike any bit of shade was relished. Built up a good sweat on the uphills. Other than that, temps were tolerable.

We ate a few blackberries by Webber Creek before starting up to the Rim. Most of the ripe ones had already been picked so we didn't stay long. The trek up to the rim was nice. Partially shaded and pretty good trails.

The top part of the East Rim trail is really cool. Highlight of the trip for me. We hiked down this trail. I think I would prefer to go up. Good and steep.

The rest of the hike was a bit of a slog for me. My hip was giving me trouble, and it was plenty warm out. JJ had to wait for me a few times.

Overall an excellent hike. A little warm mid-summer, but an early start would help. Stopped for Mexican food in Payson on the way home. Yum. Thanks for everything John. You rock! :)
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Jul 09 2015
joebartels
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49 male
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 Phoenix, AZ
Pine Canyon / Geronimo LoopPayson, AZ
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Hiking20.48 Miles 4,504 AEG
Hiking20.48 Miles   6 Hrs   55 Mns   3.02 mph
4,504 ft AEG      8 Mns Break
 
1st trip
The classic Ken loop. The hike is from Pine TH on the church girl side, over Milk Ranch Point to the bullet ricocheting boy scout side. Preston/Kingsnake recently noted many new switchbacks on #26. We stumbled upon yet another new set almost immediately. Without signage it's puzzling. Yet you can't get into too much trouble as you merge back repeatedly.

East Rim Trail is still a cool beast. Knowing what to expect it was over quick. A jungle of Locust greets the sweat drenched hiker upon reaching the rim. Joy. jj loves the blackberries and found some nice patches on Milk Ranch Point, the mesa. West Webber Trail #228 is among my favorites. The forest, tread and views are a divine treat in the summer.

jj likes to hit up the beginning of Geronimo Trail #240 where it crosses West Webber Creek for the blackberry festival. A bumper crop is underway. Looks at least two weeks to ripe. He found some bonus grapes. Despite being no where near ripe, he ate a handful... bleck

The Highline is not a trail I enjoy, I'd rather hike back over. We lucked out with nice weather. It was enjoyable with borderline stormy clouds blocking the death star.

Heading home we scoped out jj's retirement home then he downed a quart of salsa.

Carried 3.5 quarts water, consumed 2.
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Red Rock Spring
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Today's hike was brought to us in part by Wild Bergamot. The largest patch I've seen of mintleaf.

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you could filter from a small puddle in a pinch, better option nearby at Red Rock Spring

dry Red Rock Spring Dry Dry
If you read comments you are in luck. Nothing flowing but the trough was over half full.
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Jul 09 2015
JuanJaimeiii
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JuanJaimeiii
Hiking20.48 Miles 4,504 AEG
Hiking20.48 Miles   6 Hrs   55 Mns   3.02 mph
4,504 ft AEG      8 Mns Break
 
Wow we scored on the weather front today! Overcast with a nice cool breeze made this one even more enjoyable than was expected. I'm not certain what is going on with the Arizona Trail or with all the other trail work around the Pine Trailhead? I am certain there is a bunch of work taking place and it all appears to be for the better.

After the hike we stopped by one of my Real Estate clients home in Payson to pick up some paperwork and then off to La Sierra for some tasty Mexican Food.

On the way home we made good time by skipping Mile 225 on Highway 87. Good times.
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Jun 12 2014
JuanJaimeiii
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JuanJaimeiii
Hiking19.00 Miles 4,519 AEG
Hiking19.00 Miles   6 Hrs   17 Mns   3.06 mph
4,519 ft AEG      5 Mns Break
 
Got a late start (12:30pm) to what turned out to be a warm afternoon hike in rim country.

This was my second time doing this route and I really enjoy it. The east rim trail is as steep as I remember it. It gains 1050 feet in three quarters of a mile. Then it's a light bushwhack to Milk Ranch Point Road and then over to Milk Ranch trail.

From there you travel to the West Webber and on down to the Geronimo. I took a side trip over to the river on the Highline for good measure. Then it is an enjoyable trip back to the Pine Trailhead via the Highline.

I highly recommend this one.
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Jul 21 2013
JuanJaimeiii
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JuanJaimeiii
Hiking18.73 Miles 4,519 AEG
Hiking18.73 Miles   6 Hrs   29 Mns   2.94 mph
4,519 ft AEG      7 Mns Break
 
I was looking for a good hike to do this weekend and stumbled onto this one. Topohiker put it together awhile ago and I had remembered thinking it would be a good one. Sure enough it is a winner.

I didn't print out directions or take a map but relied on the Garmin Fenix again. It worked like a charm. When down at the Highline trail junction I decided to go over to the Geronimo Trail Head and see if there were any raspberries. (Last year when doing the Arizona Trail there were tons of them). I was happy to see that there were thousands of raspberries there near the creek crossing. The bad news is that very few of them were ready to eat. I say give it a week or two and they will be prime.

After that I headed back toward the Pine Trailhead via the Highline and was treated to a nice shower. Nothing crazy just a soft steady drizzle for about an hour.

One of these days I would like to give that Donahue Trail up to Milk Ranch Point a try. Looks like it would be fun.
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Jun 26 2013
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Hiking29.68 Miles 5,459 AEG
Hiking29.68 Miles   12 Hrs   42 Mns   2.86 mph
5,459 ft AEG   2 Hrs   20 Mns Break
 
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Mike and I started out at the Pine TH and did a longer loop this week. We took the Pine trail to the rim. Along the way we surprised by a black rattler hiding in some rocks :scared: . We warned a group of people coming down with a dog about the snake. We took the Gen. Crook and forest roads over to Milk Ranch point and had lunch at the West Weber trail. We saw about 6~8 people with dogs climbing up the West Weber.


We milled around a bit before heading back on the Highline trail. When the sun dropped, the super moon took over. It was great hiking by moon light until the trees obscured it.
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Jun 04 2013
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Hiking22.48 Miles 4,519 AEG
Hiking22.48 Miles   11 Hrs      2.70 mph
4,519 ft AEG   2 Hrs   40 Mns Break
 
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Mike and I started the summer hiking season by doing the Pine / East rim / Turkey Spring / Geronimo / Highline loop.

The Pine and Turkey Springs trails have a bunch of new dead fall on it. Nothing too hard to work around.
The only people we saw was two guys in jeans with a rifle on the Geronimo trail.

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spring box was full

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Jun 03 2012
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Run/Jog26.40 Miles 4,999 AEG
Run/Jog26.40 Miles   5 Hrs   33 Mns   4.76 mph
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Starting from the Pine trailhead, five of us ran up Pine Canyon Trail (awesome!) to the General Crook trail, and then a few miles along the road to Turkey Springs. From there we dropped down off the rim to Geronimo and back to the trailhead on the Highline Trail. Nice cool morning in the pines, but a hot afternoon on the Highline.
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Sep 03 2011
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Hiking27.27 Miles 4,383 AEG
Hiking27.27 Miles   11 Hrs   20 Mns   2.97 mph
4,383 ft AEG   2 Hrs   10 Mns Break29 LBS Pack
 
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We Hiked the Pine Creek trail to the rim and then took the forest roads to the Milk Ranch Point. Then we hiked Turkey Spring down to the scout camp and then returned to the TH via the Geronimo and the Highline trails.

See saw a king snake by the Parsnips spring.
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Aug 20 2011
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Hiking23.02 Miles 4,694 AEG
Hiking23.02 Miles   10 Hrs   30 Mns   2.61 mph
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After seeing te-wa's Pine Canyon /Geronimo trip log, I realized that we hadn't hiked this loop this year yet.

There are a couple of new fallen trees on the Pine Canyon trail. Nothing too hard to navigate around. The East Rim trail was a bit cleaner than the last time we went up it. Some of the fallen trees had been pushed out of the way.
We had lunch on the top of Milk Ranch point. Then we took Turkey Springs trail down. The Turkey Spring was bone dry. It's been dry this whole summer. We went to the scout camp to fill up on water. Then we went to the Geronimo TH and headed east on the Highline until sky clouded over and the thunder kicked in. On the way back to the Pine TH, the clouds went away and the hot sun came out. It sure was humid. We got Pine TH and spent the last of the daylight going down the Oak Spring trail.

The weather was all over the place, it was hot, then cool, then hot, but always humid.
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Aug 17 2011
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Backpack20.20 Miles 4,519 AEG
Backpack20.20 Miles   11 Hrs      1.84 mph
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Im giving this loop high marks. It's rugged, solitary, and changes personality about 5 times. Granted I hiked this loop on a Tues/Weds, but I only saw 2 hikers near the Pine TH and I'm guessing that the only ppl who have done this loop as described are likely Topohiker and a couple others. I saw no footprints, no tire marks, no litter save for a coors light can..

Topohiker's description was pretty close. I'll only add that when ascending the E. Rim trail you will need hands on scrambling and it may be a little too sketchy for those wary of heights.
I also found the path of least resistance thru the locust plants when I reached the top of Milk Ranch Point. I simply went due east, then took an old road south/southeast until I reached the well maintained forest road 9283L that would take me to fr 218. Go South here and keep an eye out for some great car camping spots looking off the Rim to the east as far as you can see. About a 1/2 mile along this road, turn east onto the Webber Trail. It's a steep one, and by the time I had gotten to the bottom my knees were barkin' at me after climbing up MRP, and then down again. A fairly tough first day..
After hiking to the bottom of the trail, you'll come upon Geronimo camp and signs urge you to head south, to the highline intersection. Water is in the creek, I suggest you gather it in the upper reaches of Webber since near the Highline area its all muddy from area rains. Come to think of it, Webber is usually muddy, unlike most of the creeks around here.. hmm..
Once you get on the Highline, no worries on navigation. It's clearly used and travelled. From Webber, your next water source is Pine Spring. Go down into the gulley past the stock animal trough and look for water pools in the vicinity. This may be your last water source for the next 4.5 miles since Red Rock spring always tasted like Rust to me. I choose not to drink it.
I suggest doing this loop clockwise, get the hard part over with. It is definately a BIG day if you choose to dayhike it. See my photoset for a pictorial of the trail and comments that may be helpful as a 'visual' map.
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water in drainage about 30 yards downstream from trail

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did not see any flow, but trough has water suitable for stock animals. 4" of clear water in August.
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Jul 16 2011
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topohiker
Hiking29.19 Miles 5,124 AEG
Hiking29.19 Miles   11 Hrs   30 Mns   2.82 mph
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The Pine TH / Tonto forest is open!

We got to the Pine TH and there was a bunch of cars there already. We were hiking by 8:45. We took the Pine trail out. When we cross the Pine creek by the deep pools cutoff, we saw two backpackers coming down from the rim. As we approached them I saw that one of them had a rifle. When we crossed paths, that rifle was an AK-47! :scared: .

We made it to the rim and started towards FR300. We were on an abandoned forest road and saw something that looked like a big dog. We got closer and it was a black bear! :o Then her fuzzy baby cub was chasing behind her! It was so cool seeing a black bear and cub. We just stood there and watch them. The mama bear was not that big. If she stood on her feet with her arms up, she might have been as tall as me. We waited for them to get about 200 feet away from us before we started hiking again. We didn't get any pictures :cry: . We didn't want to make any unnecessary moves or sounds. I was very surprised to see bears that close to the rim road. :GB:

We continued with the hike and this time headed down the East Webber trail. The trail has some fresh deadfall in the middle out it. There was some major trail cleanup done on the East Webber trail near the Turkey spring. There was a lot of cut trees, moved logs, and some trail re-routing. A big thank-you :thanx: to whomever spent the time making the trail open and clean.

We refilled our water by the scout camp and had lunch. The rest of the hike was nothing special. Took the Geronimo to the Highline, to the truck. We made it out before it got dark.
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Jun 04 2011
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topohiker
Hiking27.80 Miles 5,971 AEG
Hiking27.80 Miles   11 Hrs      3.01 mph
5,971 ft AEG   1 Hour   45 Mns Break29.8 LBS Pack
 
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We did a big Pine / Geronimo / Highline loop. We got to the Pine TH at 8:50 and started to get ready for the hike. Two women approach us and ask "what was the best way to do a 20 mile hike in the area". They were training for a 40 mile walk in San Francisco. We pointed them to the Highline and told them to go 3.5 miles past the Geronimo TH and that would give them a 20 mile hike. Then a man approached us asking how to get to the rim ASAP because he had to be back at the TH by 3:30. He told him to take the Pine trail to the rim.

We started the hike at 9:05. We took the Pine trail to rim, and then we took the following forest roads to swing over to the Milk Ranch point:

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It took a little trial and error to find the right combination of trails. Twice we tried to bushwhack to reduce the mileage, but the terrain was costing us time and energy, so we stuck to the FRs. Mike ran out of water on the rim, so then we altered the hike and headed down to the boy scout camp. We took Turkey trail down to the Geronimo, then a footpath to the camp and filled up on water. We headed back a little bit to have a very late lunch.

It was 4:45 and we already clocked 18+ miles. We could either hike the Geronimo to the highline back or climb back top of milk ranch point and take the Donahue back. Even though going back on rim would cut the mileage down, we just didn't want climb another 1,500+. So we took the flatter, longer route back. We got back to the TH at 8:05.

The trails are in good shape. The section of the Turkey trail, just right below rim is exposed with a lot of fire damage and debris. There's a little of route finding here.
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Oct 02 2010
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topohiker
Hiking20.97 Miles 4,494 AEG
Hiking20.97 Miles   9 Hrs   40 Mns   2.17 mph
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We got a late start hiking due to my hiking buddy over sleeping. The hike started at 9:30 and the sun was warmer than I expected for October. We hiked the pine canyon trail to the East rim and bushwhacked to the Milk Ranch road. We then headed south to the Turkey Springs TH and went down. It was pretty warm going the rim. We then hiked to Webber trail to scout camp and topped off the camelbacks. Then the clouds rolled in and the temps backed off a bit. We then took the Geronimo trail to the Geronimo trail and had lunch in the woods. As we ate, we felt some rain drops and heard some thunder. :scared:

We ended lunch abruptly and started back. The rain came down and poured for about 10 minutes before stopping. The highline trail almost became slick. The temps got pretty chilly. As we got near the Red Rock spring, the sun came out and then you couldn't even tell that it rained. We got to the car by 7:10.
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Jun 12 2010
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topohiker
Hiking26.62 Miles 6,371 AEG
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We did two hikes in the same area. We started at the Pine TH and hiked the Pine Trail to the other side on top of the rim where it hits the Beeline again. We meet two guys from the scout camp along the way. They had a topo map of the un-official scout trails in the area. I've seen the scout trail signs, but had no idea where they went until now. There's a bunch of trails that take you to the rim from the Pine Trail. Some of them are: Temple Canyon, Deep Pools, Cinch Hooks and the Stradling. From a quick look at the map, I noticed that the Deep Pools trail was the easiest to follow. It followed the Pine Creek all the way to the rim. We decided to try that and to take the Pine trail back down. When we got past the Parson's spring they was a huge group of girls (about 200) hiking back to the camp. The Pine Creek trail was clear of any fallen trees.

We made it to the deep pools trail and followed that. For the first half mile the trail was easy to follow and well flagged. It lead to a rock slide area and there was a sign calling this place the "Darling Rocks". The well defined trail ended here. There still was some flags guiding us, but the trail got overrun with two layers of deadfall. Going up the creek was just as bad. After 10 minutes of this, I pulled out the GPS and saw that we were only about a 1,000 feet from the Pine Creek trail. We jumped trail and headed to the Pine Creek trail. It was nice to have a trail again. We hiked to the rim and got a couple of sprinkles of rain on us. We turned around and head back. We took lunch down by the creek.

The next hike was the Pine Canyon/Geronimo loop. We headed back to the Pine Creek / East Rim intersection and took a break before the big climb. Surprisingly the East Rim trail had some recent trail maintenance done. All of the dead fall was cut away and there was fresh flags. When we got to the rock pile, a cold wind started to blow and the sky clouded over. I was surprised to be this cold in June! The bushwhack from the rim to the forest road was pretty easy and almost thorn free. We made to the Milk Ranch road and took the West Webber down. All of the downed trees were cut away on the West Webber. We then hiked to the highline, then back to the car.

It was a cool to cold hike depending on our elevation. I looked around the internet for some info on the other scout 'un-official" trail, but I didn't find any info. I don't think I'll try the scout trail unless I find some info on them.
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Pine Canyon / Geronimo LoopPayson, AZ
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We decided to do a modified version of the Pine Creek / Donahue loop. In stead of taking the Donahue trail down the rim, we went down the West Webber trail to the Geronimo trail to the hightline, back to the Pine TH. We got some rain after lunch and temps fell. The fall colors are starting to come out.
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