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Lost Dutchman Mine Junior - 7 members in 11 triplogs have rated this an average 3.9 ( 1 to 5 best )
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Aug 25 2016
wallyfrack
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60 male
 Joined Mar 11 2003
 AZ
Lost Dutchman Mine JuniorPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
Hiking avatar Aug 25 2016
wallyfrack
Hiking9.87 Miles 1,355 AEG
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This was a return trip to find the real mine on the way to LDM jr. After an early exit from the trail I noticed an opening in the rocks. This opening was a small cave that went back about 30 feet but was fairly small. About 300 feet farther up the wash there was some loose dirt. I was standing on tailings! The mine was around the brush and up the hill about 30 feet. I would guess this was another on of George Miller's mines but not sure. It is amazing how much work went into some of these holes. After some exploration I climbed up to the trail and hiked out. The temps seemed fine finishing just past 11a.
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Sep 29 2012
wallyfrack
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 AZ
Lost Dutchman Mine JuniorPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
Hiking avatar Sep 29 2012
wallyfrack
Hiking14.80 Miles 2,946 AEG
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It's almost October but the weather is still a bit warm for long Supes hikes. We started hiking about 6a and the temps were nice and cool. The first side trip was to the Miller mines again to find Earnest Martin's grave marker and the Miller mine tunnel spring. We couldn't see the marker from the old mines but Denny hiked up the hill to find the marker and I hiked down the wash to look for the spring. Denny found the marker, I climbed up for a look then we went back down to the wash. A little farther down the wash Denny saw a mine tunnel and I located a spring just beyond that. There's water in the spring but it didn't look to be the best. After further investigation I found out the Mine Tunnel Spring is inside the mine so another trip is in needed to find the right spring. :doh: From the spring we made our way through the catclaw back up to the JF trail. The JF trail is overgrown from the prior rains but you can follow it as long as you pay attention. We noticed several bear droppings along the JF trail. We hiked up to saddle and made our way over to the Lost Dutchman Mine Jr cliff. We hiked up and down a few times finding the cave and the alleged mine. Denny found a black-tailed rattlesnake in the bushes. I think he was wishing I would have found it first. :lol: The climb down to the mine wasn't bad. The climb down to the cave was a little tricky so if you decide to do it be sure you can get back up. ;) After exploring the cave(s) we took an off trail route down the hill, across the Hoolie Bacon trail and made our way toward Peters trail. The off trail hiking was slow at times because of the loose rocks on some steep descents. : rambo : We ended up hiking through a patch of several juniper trees which provided some welcome shade when we took a break. Once on Peters trail we hiked up past Kane Spring and located Jesse Capen's campsite. After completing our list we hiked back to Kane Spring and filtered some water. The water in Kane Spring is good and it's been at the same level every time we checked including trips in June & August of this year. We hiked out on Peters trail which is also overgrown with grass, vines and some ornery catclaw. This was a full day of exploring but we made it out before 3p. Thanks for hiking turtle.
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water 1 out of 5water less than maxwater less than maxwater less than max Kane Spring Dripping Dripping
The spring is clear and at the normal level. The water tasted good after filtering.

water 1 out of 5water less than maxwater less than maxwater less than max Miller Tunnel Number One Spring Dripping Dripping
We located a spring but not the right one so please disregard.
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Sep 29 2012
Tortoise_Hiker
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59 male
 Joined Apr 02 2005
 Mesa, AZ
Lost Dutchman Mine JuniorPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
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Tortoise_Hiker
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Another outing in the Superstitions with Wally Supes Farak.we checked out Miller's Grave,the Miller mines,Earnest Martin's Grave,Miller mine tunnel,Miller mine spring,Lost Dutchman Mine Jr.,Jesse Capen's campsite,and Kane spring.I thought Jr. would be bigger.A Blacktail rattler greeted us there.The off trail stuff was slow going and the catsclaw took its toll on us.A Prickly Pear worked me over pretty good too.We saw three Whitetail above Kane spring.Kane spring was good to us for a shaded break and some filtered water.Wally also suggested we take a little water to wet our shirts as it was heating up.That worked great and cooled us down until we got back to the start of Peters trailhead.The trails are overgrown and if you can make it through the vines and catsclaw without a little blood loss I would be shocked.Thanks to Wally for another great outing in the Supes and for driving. :y:
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Nov 19 2011
hikerdw
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62 male
 Joined Aug 16 2009
 Mesa,AZ
Lost Dutchman Mine JuniorPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
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hikerdw
Hiking13.00 Miles 1,100 AEG
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Did a little exploring around the area, Miller campsite, LDMJ, and Tortilla Creek between Hollie Bacon and Peter's trail. SSAR was out looking for Jesse in the Peter's Mesa area so we chatted with some of the support folks that remained at the TH.
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Jan 09 2010
AzTEC
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51 male
 Joined Jan 04 2005
 Mesa, AZ
Lost Dutchman Mine JuniorPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
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AzTEC
Hiking6.50 Miles 1,100 AEG
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Nov 07 2008
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 Joined Oct 31 2007
 Apache Junction,
Lost Dutchman Mine JuniorPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
Hiking avatar Nov 07 2008
snakemarks
Hiking6.50 Miles 1,100 AEG
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SuperstitionGuy
Planned this trip with SuperstitionGuy last Spring. He had been wanting to drive the old Tortilla Ranch road and revisit Miller's gravesite and LDM Jr. I had been wanting to do that hike for some time. With him lacking a 4WD vehicle and having a fondness for Jeeps, and me having a fondness for tagging along behind someone who knows where they're going, we happily cut a deal.

First, I'd like to confirm that everything said here about that road is true. You absolutely need a high clearance 4WD. And, even then it is only as good as it's driver. We took my Jeep, and after turning off the Apache Trail, I made it exactly as far as the very first obstacle. After a brief and somewhat reluctant attempt to climb over it, this conversation took place:

ME: "What's that smell?"
SUPERSTITIONGUY: "Your clutch burning."
ME: "You drive."

**Note to self: Cancel road trip to Crown King.

Most of the road is difficult but do-able, even by me. But, the parts that are bad are really bad and there's no way at all to avoid them. You may even need to have someone act as a spotter to direct you over some of the worst hazards. While I buckled myself in and held onto the roll bar, SuperstitionGuy forged ahead without missing a beat.

Heading out on the trail, he quickly located two of the Miller Mines and Miller's gravesite (GPS coordinates are N33*29.247" W111*17.202"). *Info from SuperstitionGuy: "The grave marker is an old mine car rail that was stuck upright in the dirt. Originally, it protruded out of the ground between three and four feet high, but someone has broken it off by twisting and bending it. Obviously, they did not know it was a grave marker." After building a cairn to better mark the site, we started toward the LDM Jr.

Getting there proved to be more of a challenge than we expected. The entire area was heavily overgrown. Much of the way the trail was obscured by dense vegetation and difficult to follow at times. The cat claw is pretty bad up there and we had to cut through a jungle of it to reach the mine, but we were careful and escaped with minimal bloodshed. The mine entrance faces the northwest and is within a large rock formation which stands out from the rest of the surrounding terrain. There's some careful climbing and scrambling involved to locate and enter the mine. The GPS readout here was N33*28.475", W111*16.565". Once inside, it looks more like a 2 room wind cave with a high ceiling and a couple of nice skylights. It doesn't appear that too many have visited recently, but the message on the wall would suggest at least one person had been there. We took some photos but didn't stay too long because the clock in the sky said we had to get moving. Our war on cat claw had cost us a lot of time and we ended up hiking out in darkness. The bright half moon provided much light and, except for being a bit chilly, it was a nice hike out. SuperstitionGuy drove us back out that killer road in the dark like it was nothing. I guess that's why he wears the cape!
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May 26 2008
Nautyb
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49 male
 Joined Mar 05 2004
 Chandler, AZ
Lost Dutchman Mine JuniorPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
Hiking avatar May 26 2008
Nautyb
Hiking11.80 Miles 1,100 AEG
Hiking11.80 Miles   7 Hrs   30 Mns   1.57 mph
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Taking advantage of the recent cold spell & rains we were able to do this trip out of season.

The obstacles on Fr213 were more than we wanted to attempt in a stock 2005 Tacoma 4x4 TRD. The vehicle was likely capable but the driver not experienced or up for the risk.
The description suggested that would add 2.5 miles each way, from our calculations it was closer to 2.8 miles.

Once the JF Trail departs the Hoole trail it is definately the road less traveled with minor detours required to avoid the catclaw.

We surprised a fox who quickly disappeared, but we got a good look at it.

With out the GPS Route we would have missed it. Even with the GPS route we over shoot the turn off to the peak by 1/2 mile. When making your way over to the peak get at least level with the peak if not a little higher that the peak and then follow the contours over to the peak.

Once at the top of the peak, the directions are fairly good but it will take some scrambling and exploring to find the LDMJ.

Returning to the JF trail look for the Mine AZLOT69 mentions. While descending back to JF Trail by a more direct route than coming in, I spotted the mine. Curiosity got the best of me so we went to explore it. There was a few inches of water close to the entrance but no standing water further back in the mine. No signs of animal life in the mine.

Although much longer than the 6.5 mile trip we set out to do, it was well within our capabilities and a good challenge.

Flowers:
Silverleaf Nightshade
Prickly Pear
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Dec 27 2007
kanode
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73 male
 Joined Jan 07 2004
 Tempe, AZ
Lost Dutchman Mine JuniorPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
Hiking avatar Dec 27 2007
kanode
Hiking5.90 Miles 1,100 AEG
Hiking5.90 Miles   5 Hrs      1.18 mph
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Three Mines (LDMJ, tunnel mine, Miller Mines)

There was a cairn and horse shoe tracks headed west from the JF trail at about the same point shown on the GPS track by AZLOT69. I soon lost track of the horse tracks and headed farther south to an overlook. I then tried to head back north along the edge which wasn't a good idea. It was a prickly pear jungle and the terrain was somewhat steep and loose. Eventually I had to climb up a steep slope to get back on the AZLOT69 GPS track.

However, when I was lower on the edge it looked to be fairly easy to access this area from the Hoolie Bacon trail. Not directly up to or down from the mine peak but rather the saddle to the south of the peak. (I didn't look at the terrain down from the edge north of the mine.)

Once I was near the LDMJ peak, it was easy to find the right spot to drop down the west face using AZLOT69's photo 2 as a reference. Now that I'm home, I think his photo 3 is more than an interesting photo--it provides an important clue.

After leaving the LDMJ, I found the tunnel mine but today it was flooded. Note: when you first see it decsending from the LDMJ peak, make a note of the surrounding terrain and landmarks. As you drop into the creek bed, you'll loose sight of the mine.

After leaving the tunnel mine, I headed back down to the creek and intended to follow it NW to the Hoollie Bacon trail. This turned out to be a fairly easy trek on the east bank of the creek. I ended up heading NNW toward the Tortilla 4WD Trailhead maintaining my elevation and didn't follow the creek when it turned sharply west and dropped steeply. I continued NNW and soon ran into the JF trail.

I had plenty of daylight left, so I soon left the JF Trail and headed off-trail east to the Miller mines. I found one flooded tunnel and two large tailing piles. The area is very overgrown and I soon headed east downhill along the creek. As the creek started to steeply drop through a series of falls (ice falls that were still frozen in midafternoon), I headed north and soon found a path on the east side of a small creek. I was able to follow this path back to the JF Trail.

A few more clues to the location of the LDMJ:
- Once you've dropped over the edge, if there's a solid rock wall to your left, you're down too low.
- Follow Fritszki's advice to leave your pack on top. (You have to wiggle under a tree branch-hint, hint)
- You can look down through the top hole of the mine by climbing over a pile of scree.

Next time:
I'd try to access the LDMJ peak from the Hoolie Bacon trail and then return via the JF trail by visiting the tunnel mine and then heading north from there.
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Dec 16 2006
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 Gold Canyon, AZ
Lost Dutchman Mine JuniorPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
Hiking avatar Dec 16 2006
AZLOT69
Hiking6.50 Miles 1,100 AEG
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A must do for Dutchman Hunters. As Fritski describes the history of these mountains and the painstaking attempts to finds the mine. A very interesting hike about that very saga leading to some apparent disappointment. Fritski's description was on par-enough information to find it but leaves room for you to explore-you can trust it. The destination offers some great views and if you follow my route you will be rewarded with an additional find-an out of the way semi-concealed mine. Quite a deep mine horizontally into the mountain that to enter you need to crawl. Bring a flashlight-gloves-kneepads.
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Jul 09 2006
ddas
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42 male
 Joined Jul 05 2006
 Phoenix, AZ
Lost Dutchman Mine JuniorPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
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ddas
Hiking6.50 Miles 1,100 AEG
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Jan 20 2002
Pellegrino
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 Gilbert, AZ
Lost Dutchman Mine JuniorPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
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Nope, the Jimmy didn't make it. Of course, Mr. Azscrapper said he could have done it. Once again the difference between man/woman. He will risk my vehicle, I won't! :) - its too cute :)

The hike was great. A steady incline all the way to the 'mine.' We saw no other hikers and the views were beautiful.
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