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Mail Trail #84 - 5 members in 11 triplogs have rated this an average 2.8 ( 1 to 5 best )
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Oct 17 2021
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49 male
 Joined Nov 14 2014
 Phoenix, AZ
Mail Trail #84Camp Verde, AZ
Camp Verde, AZ
Hiking avatar Oct 17 2021
RoadrunnerAZ
Hiking5.11 Miles 484 AEG
Hiking5.11 Miles   4 Hrs   48 Mns   1.35 mph
484 ft AEG   1 Hour   1 Min Break
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1st trip
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Enjoyed our hike along the Mail Trail where we explored about half of the trail along the mesa. Parking lot had an RV camping in it but otherwise no one else on the trail. With the long grass the cairns were more difficult to follow than usual making finding the trail quite exciting at times. Following the track downloaded from Hike Arizona helped :) even just as a general direction. Not a lot of animals or birds around today.
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Aug 22 2020
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39 male
 Joined Nov 30 2015
 Phoenix, AZ
Mail Trail #84Camp Verde, AZ
Camp Verde, AZ
Hiking avatar Aug 22 2020
ShatteredArm
Hiking12.19 Miles 2,249 AEG
Hiking12.19 Miles   5 Hrs   40 Mns   2.53 mph
2,249 ft AEG      51 Mns Break
 
1st trip
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Decided to check out yet another way around the Fossil Springs permit system, and at the same time check out a historic route. Limited trip logs on here, so I was expecting the worst as far as brush and route finding goes. Drove to where the Mail Trail crosses FR 9D (wasn't super interested in trekking across an extra few miles of flat Juniper forest), which is an undertaking in itself, and requires a good amount of clearance.

Until we got to Mail Trail Tank #2, it was a mix of jeep road and cross country, following caged cairns, some of which had custom Mail Trail signs made of metal. These had varying designs, and clearly someone put some work and creativity into marking this route.

Once past the tank, there is actual single track most of the way down to Mud Tanks Draw, some of which is overgrown. Route finding was actually not very difficult until you approach the draw. Once there, it gets much more overgrown and scratchy, and it's probably most pleasant to just get in the creek bed and follow it down. I tried to follow the actual Mail Trail as much as possible, and while a little more painful, it was definitely faster than taking the creek bed down (I beat my friends to where the routes converge).

Spent an hour or so at Fossil Creek, ate some apples (there is an apple tree on the south side of the creek apparently), and soaked in the same pool we had last week. A helicopter arrived on the scene, and on our way out, we stopped at the spring just as they were about to extract a lady who had broken her ankle in the creek (although she may have struggled to exit the canyon with two good ankles).

The hike out was pleasant on account of an arriving storm, and while we didn't get much more than sprinkles (it looked like it was pouring on Bob Bear trail), there was a cool breeze.
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Sep 27 2019
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 Joined Jan 24 2016
 Arizona
Upper F.S. Wilderness Exploration 2, AZ 
Upper F.S. Wilderness Exploration 2, AZ
 
Hiking avatar Sep 27 2019
MountainMatt
Hiking13.26 Miles 1,855 AEG
Hiking13.26 Miles
1,855 ft AEG50 LBS Pack
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BethMarie
Listening to my legendary neighbors many epic old time stories, he told me about a metal ladder propped against a cliff wall he spotted with his binoculars, there was never any confirmation of living accommodations sighted but the information shared was enough to inspire a trip down into the belly of the beast.
Started on a peninsula of Nash Point and worked our way down the ridge making decent progress until hitting absolute relentless amounts of old growth manzanita and shrub live oak but this was expected so we powered through it to the next level.
I wanted to stay out of the side canyons and drainages as much as possible as I’m aware how nasty they can be out here but after completing the majority of the descent we took a small drainage the rest of the way that worked out as a great passageway which was also freshly used by a big bear.
We came directly into a nice mile stretch of upper Fossil that had solid clear flowing water and pools but other than that the majority of it was dry but did have plenty of intermittent pools to be found.
Never made it to our target area after considerable time attempting to visually confirm a site with binoculars but as with the last time down here there was plenty of evidence of ancient civilization habitation to be encountered.
It wasn’t planned originally but during our rough descent I decided instead of heading back out that way came we would just work our way downstream and then head out the superhighway trail which worked out perfectly, topped off with getting picked up at the trailhead by a friend.
Started around 9am and finished around 8pm with sore bodies and satisfied spirits. : rambo :
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Jun 08 2019
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66 male
 Joined Jan 20 2009
 Far NE Phoenix,
Vine Canyon LoopPayson, AZ
Payson, AZ
Hiking avatar Jun 08 2019
The_Eagle
Hiking13.08 Miles 2,630 AEG
Hiking13.08 Miles   9 Hrs   50 Mns   1.57 mph
2,630 ft AEG   1 Hour   30 Mns Break14 LBS Pack
 
1st trip
This was a twist on plan A that came about when Chums decided to join and suggest a tweak.
Ever since the @Outlander trip to Calf Pen Canyon 6 year ago, this area has been on my radar.

At just shy of 4 hours to get the 3.25 miles and -2000' to lunch at Calf Pen and Sandrock canyon, we did not set any land speed records for navigating this unnamed canyon, but there was no reason to. After discussions, we dubbed this Vine Canyon, for the many vines in the canyon. This canyon included numerous non technical down climbs, maple thickets, dramatic rock formations, PI, plenty of water and plenty of evidence of past illegal irrigation activity.

Leaving the Sandrock / Calf pen area, there was running water all the way to the Fossil Creek Dam area. Pretty slick rock areas and signs of an old trail tread in places. When we reached the intersection with the Mail Trail #84, the sign facing the direction we came from, read "Dead End"

We stopped in the Springs area of Fossil Springs and cooled off in the water. Next up was the old dam area. There was a small group enjoying the water. A bit downstream is the cave area that we decided to swim over an check out the inside of. Quite a cool little gem.

Making the retreat back to the truck, the temps were a tad warm on the climb out, but the breezes helped. On what I'm calling the unofficial Nash Pasture Trail, the climb gets steep in spots. I'm not sure on the history of this tread, but it is defiantly and old entryway into the springs area.

Good times in some new areas. I can tell this was a different type of hike, I'm sore in spots today, not normally sore after a hike.

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water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water less than max Nash Tank 51-75% full 51-75% full
As we noted as walking by, this has H2O in it, among many other ingredients. Wait to to hit the Cheveron station in Pine.
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Jun 08 2019
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49 male
 Joined Sep 18 2002
 Tempe, AZ
Vine Fossil Nash Loop, AZ 
Vine Fossil Nash Loop, AZ
 
Hiking avatar Jun 08 2019
chumley
Hiking14.42 Miles 2,918 AEG
Hiking14.42 Miles   9 Hrs   51 Mns   1.62 mph
2,918 ft AEG      56 Mns Break
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Joe has been itching to visit Nash Point since it was renamed in 2005 for the winner of the NBA's MVP award that year. Finally, Bruce was able to draw up a route to hit this remote peak. And off we went!

Outlander didn't reply to my PM queries asking how challenging the route would be, but we decided to descend Vine Canyon anyway. It took us almost twice as long to descend as it had taken him to climb up it. Oh well. I spotted one of the bears he assured we would see, though I didn't get a photo as his butt ran down canyon ahead of us, so I'm told it doesn't count.

Sometime around 2pm and 20% of our planned mileage complete we decided to sit down and have lunch.

There was water along the entire hike from Vine to Calf Pen to Fossil and the springs when of course the flow increased significantly (There might have been less flow in Vine if the irrigation tubing had been diverting all of it, but alas, it was broken in several spots). A handful of bikinis, uh, I mean people, were lounging at the dam site, but for the most part the area was relatively quiet. After a few swims we headed up the main trail before turning off and making our way up the steep climb to Nash Point.

Joe decided he didn't care about Nash anymore (something about him being a soccer commentator now?), so we cut 45 minutes off the day and headed back to the truck.

Bruce was trying to lure us back to his cabin "for a drink", but all kinds of alarm bells went off and I was able to avert whatever that would have lead to!

Fun loop. Rugged terrain. A little bit warm on the climb out. Some poison ivy. Something that I was allergic to destroyed me for an hour or two. Otherwise great company and nice to cover some new terrain.
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Mar 28 2019
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 Joined Jan 24 2016
 Arizona
Upper F.S. Wilderness Exploration, AZ 
Upper F.S. Wilderness Exploration, AZ
 
Hiking avatar Mar 28 2019
MountainMatt
Hiking14.13 Miles 2,108 AEG
Hiking14.13 Miles   8 Hrs   6 Mns   2.07 mph
2,108 ft AEG   1 Hour   16 Mns Break40 LBS Pack
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Used the expressway to get down into the goods and headed up stream via the Mail Trail for awhile and then branched off from there.
Just as a began to roam, look up and around I thought how perfect of a canyon this would be for signs of the ancients and it wasn’t more than a few minutes after when I started to see sherds and worked stone everywhere.
Put my pack down and put some miles in looping up and down into the many side canyons and beautiful wide open flatlands that are covertly guarded by very harsh thickets of brush.
I attempted to follow the extremely vague and dare I even say the word “trail”
that continues upstream along the very old cowboy fence but after being only being able to take so much catsclaw and bushwhacking masochism I soon retreated back to the easier but still labor intensive boulder hop wading method.
I was under .89 miles to the confluence I’ve been so eager to get to but got sidetracked with all of the cool stuff along the way and realized I just need to backpack down here as it’s the only way to really enjoy and explore this massive wondrous canyon.
As I was heading back west I took yet another different rough ridge and bench overlooking the creek and caught a good enough sight to determine what I’m almost certain was the hind end of a lion.
I’ve seen many animals scamper away in the AZ widlerness but that rope like panther tail was very distinct and enough to get my to unholster my pistol for a little while. :sweat:
All in all it was a ruggedly beautiful day with views and sights that were earned with a solid dose of sweat, grit and a dash of blood.
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Mar 16 2018
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62 male
 Joined Oct 17 2008
 Phoenix, AZ
Mail Trail #84Camp Verde, AZ
Camp Verde, AZ
Hiking avatar Mar 16 2018
rcorfman
Hiking15.75 Miles 1,193 AEG
Hiking15.75 Miles   6 Hrs   8 Mns   2.84 mph
1,193 ft AEG      35 Mns Break12 LBS Pack
 
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I parked just off highway 260 but should have gone a short distance farther to the trailhead. That would have saved me maybe 200 yards of walking.

There were three geocaches I wanted to find today. Two are on the Mail Trail and the third was SW down the power line road so after I found the second, I turned off the Mail Trail and headed down the power line road. The power line road was about halfway out for me.

On the Mail Trail, I tried to follow the cairns as best I could but at times I had trouble spotting the next so I fell back to checking the track on my GPSr. There really is no tread, though at times there are game or cattle trails to follow. The ground was rocky and soft dirt. It would be a nightmare to walk on if it is wet so avoid it during those conditions. Navigation was a bit easier on my return as I was able to follow my own tracks to some extent.

Once I turned on the power line road, I was able to keep a good pace. It's a rocky road and parts would be troublesome to drive, but walking was steady and fast.

It was brisk when I started and breezy most of the day. All in all, good conditions for a long walk.

I saw three elk, followed by two more. I'm sure there were others hidden in the Junipers that I missed.
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[ checklist ] Sheep Corral Tank
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Dec 09 2016
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57 male
 Joined Nov 15 2005
 Jackson, CA
Mail Trail #84Camp Verde, AZ
Camp Verde, AZ
Hiking avatar Dec 09 2016
toddak
Hiking22.00 Miles 3,000 AEG
Hiking22.00 Miles   9 Hrs   30 Mns   2.32 mph
3,000 ft AEG
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Rim-to-rim-to-rim from the MT84 trailhead. I'd forgotten how little of the Mail Trail is actually a trail, its mostly cross-country over annoyingly rocky terrain. Even the rock baskets aren't much help in a lot of areas where the huge junipers limit the sight distance. Subtracted a rating point.
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Oct 25 2015
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42 male
 Joined Jul 20 2012
 Tempe, Az
Mail Trail #84Camp Verde, AZ
Camp Verde, AZ
Hiking avatar Oct 25 2015
SBS
Hiking 1,532 AEG
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1,532 ft AEG
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1st trip
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Thanks to the provided GPS route, we were able to easily follow the cylindrical rock baskets to the top of the canyon rim and the start of the Fossil Wilderness Area. Using the GPS route was necessary for us, since the next rock basket was not always seen due to distance, and tree/bush growth.
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Apr 07 2012
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51 male
 Joined Jul 14 2011
 Phoenix, AZ
Mail Trail #84Camp Verde, AZ
Camp Verde, AZ
Hiking avatar Apr 07 2012
burntlizard
Hiking10.00 Miles 1,600 AEG
Hiking10.00 Miles   6 Hrs   35 Mns   1.69 mph
1,600 ft AEG      40 Mns Break
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I have been searching for a hike that has very few trip logs, I want to avoid redundant or over hiked trails. This one fit the bill, I knew this was the right place when I whipped in to the parking area and it was empty. That was the good news, bad news.....it's friggen cold and windy :o like 42* and a good 15 mph breeze. I'm glad my beanie and gloves were still in the truck.

This hike was interesting, the history and nostalgia makes it that way. An old mail trail from the 1890's, cool! It was so rocky though, I mean ROCKY and of course I'm looking for critters and birds and not watching my step :stretch: I saw at least a dozen different bear scat piles...boy they are getting their fiber for sure :lol: And the entire trail system is plum full of Deer and Elk droppings, and lots of hoof prints.

Towards the end of the trail before starting the descent, I ran in to a guy on his quad hunting for Elk antlers, he took the time to school me on the biology of how the antlers fall off....pretty interesting. I only went 1/2 mile or so down the descent and decided to end my day and head back, I wanted to stop by Clear Creek on the way home, plus my right outer knee band was aching.

By the time I got back to my car, I was so done. Really....I was done with the friggen rocks and I was tired and had exhausted all my energy. This trail is ONE AND DONE for me :gun:


P.S. the Blue Jays run the roost in this area. Man... are they elusive though, they squawk and dive bomb as soon as you get close to them...tough to get any good photos of them :(
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[ checklist ] West Clear Creek Wilderness
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Dec 12 2009
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57 male
 Joined Nov 15 2005
 Jackson, CA
Mail Trail #84Camp Verde, AZ
Camp Verde, AZ
Hiking avatar Dec 12 2009
toddak
Hiking17.00 Miles 1,600 AEG
Hiking17.00 Miles   9 Hrs      1.89 mph
1,600 ft AEG
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A fine day of snow, rain, mud, sunshine and trying not to lose the trail. Surprised to see a little flow in Fossil Creek above the springs. This is a fun alternative to the standard route in to Fossil Springs from the Strawberry side.
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[ checklist ] Fossil Springs
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