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Jun 08 2019
Itsstar11
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 Phoenix,az
Winter Cabin Trail #70Sedona, AZ
Sedona, AZ
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Itsstar11
Hiking6.26 Miles 793 AEG
Hiking6.26 Miles   3 Hrs   59 Mns   1.64 mph
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Dorsey spring from hog hill TH counter clockwise around to winter cabin. Pleasant weather. A bit hot in the afternoon. Small part of westerly portion exposed and very overgrown. Trail is okay to find but the thorny oak has pushed in evenly from all sides so you have to squish through for a portion. Definitely doable but Easy to get cut up on your legs.

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June 8 2019 winter cabin spring was dripping and pooled by cabin. If you walk down the creek a bit farther there’s enough water it’s moving a bit with tiny kitchen sink waterfalls. Depth of water very shallow but clean clear and decent.
Apr 19 2018
azbackpackr
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Kelsey & Little LO TrailsFlagstaff, AZ
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I hiked down the Kelsey and Little Lookout Trails to the bottom of Sycamore Canyon. I made camp at the second campsite (not the one under the overhang, but the one with the log furniture and lots of trees.) I thought about staying there for a couple of nights. However, there was a storm in the forecast for the next day. My friend, Scott, and his 9-month-old preemie baby, Cora, day-hiked down with me to the bottom. Well, Scott hiked. Cora just rode along and observed with bright eyes. She was amazingly good. We had left my Jeep at Winter Cabin trailhead, and then Scott brought me around to the Kelsey trailhead. So, despite the bad weather, I knew I would still have to hike over to Winter Cabin.

It was really windy. I set up camp and then walked further up the trail, which eventually gave out. Then I went down into the creek bottom (dry) to walk upstream. It's rough going on those big rocks, especially when you're tired and your knees ache. I turned around after a few minutes and went back to camp. So much for exploring.

A campfire was out of the question. The wind was kind of crazy! I holed up for a while in my tent, then crawled out and made supper. When I crawled back into the tent it was about 6 p.m. I read for a while, (Camino Island, by John Grisham), but mostly slept, until 6 a.m. In the middle of the night I put my down jacket on. By that time I had pretty much decided I wasn't cut out for cold weather camping by myself. John Muir I ain't. I don't seem capable of awe and wonder when I'm chilled. I just want to crawl into my sleeping bag. So, I decided to skip the second night, and hike out in the morning to Winter Cabin trailhead.

At Geronimo Spring there's an apple tree in full bloom. Gorgeous big flowers! There are some other flowers there that looked like impatiens, but they were on vines. (See photo.)

It was a good shakedown cruise for me. I'm just getting back into backpacking. I felt pretty strong.

All the HAZ photos, GPS routes and triplogs I read were very helpful, thanks to all who wrote them.
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Around springs. Also, manzanita.

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Sep 23 2017
Jhogue7
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 Wickenburg, az
Winter Cabin Trail #70Sedona, AZ
Sedona, AZ
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Backpack11.00 Miles 4,682 AEG
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Did an overnight trip to Sycamore Creek. 2 adults, 2 kids (14 & 9) and 1 dog. Nice views and diverse terrain. Trail is very overgrown when you near the Canyon coming from the trail head. Advise to take a good detailed map with topography. We carried all water in. Sycamore creek is bone dry. Did not check Ott lake nor Springs.
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trail is very overgrown in parts
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May 29 2017
chumley
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 Tempe, AZ
Winter Cabin Trail #70Sedona, AZ
Sedona, AZ
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Hiking5.61 Miles 1,182 AEG
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One plan was to hike down in the evening and camp near Winter Cabin, but the real plan was to not have a plan so that isn't what ended up happening. Nonetheless, I was interested in seeing the cabin and Ott Lake, so we headed down for a quick hike on Monday morning.

The upper portion of the hike is really nice in shaded forest. The cabin is slowly disintegrating. The springbox is filled in with dirt, but the drainage had plenty of water in it.

The trip to Ott Lake continues in the wooded terrain until crossing a small ridge and entering desert scrubland. The positive is that the views are great.

I've never seen Ott Lake listed amongst the rumored "three natural lakes" in Arizona. But it sure looks like one to me.

After a quick swim, we retraced our steps back to the trailhead and went our separate ways. I'd like to get back here and explore the other trails in the area.
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Ott Lake Winter Cabin Spring

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water report recorded in the field on our app Route Scout Might actually be 30% full since 100% isn't more than 2 feet at the deepest point. Grassy marshy water over half the lake.

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water report recorded in the field on our app Route Scout Not really flowing but big pool. No problem filtering from here.
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May 29 2017
BiFrost
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 Phoenix, AZ
Winter Cabin - Ott Lake, AZ 
Winter Cabin - Ott Lake, AZ
 
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Hiking5.95 Miles 1,228 AEG
Hiking5.95 Miles   2 Hrs   28 Mns   2.63 mph
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We car camped Sunday night near Winter Cabin trail head and then Monday morning hiked out to Winter Cabin and Ott Lake. It’s short hike through Ponderosa pine forest down to Winter Cabin about 1.2 miles from the trail head. We checked out Winter Cabin spring which is right next to the cabin and looked like decent water and probably year round.

After that we headed over to Ott Lake about 2.8 miles from the trail head. The lake isn’t much of a lake but it’s a pretty location with mixed pine, oak and juniper. There was some very shallow water in the lake which could be filtered. We walked around the lake perimeter and then took a break to take in the scenery. Break over we hiked back to the trail head where some backpackers were just getting ready to hike out. They were doing the same trip we had just done so we gave them the water report etc.
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Oct 16 2016
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Winter Cabin - Dorsey - Kelsey Loop, AZ 
Winter Cabin - Dorsey - Kelsey Loop, AZ
 
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Hiking16.00 Miles
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Beautiful day to be in Sycamore Canyon. We started at Dorsey Spring trailhead, took Hog Hill over to Winter Cabin, stopped briefly at "Ott Lake," went down to Sycamore Canyon, goofed around in the canyon, took Winter Cabin back up, and then took Kelsey Spring over to Dorsey Spring to make a loop of sorts. Only saw one person all day. No aspens, but the Gambel's oak are gold all over (or maybe brown if you don't see the beauty in Gambel's oaks).

Our only complaint is that the lowest mile or two of the Winter Cabin trail is kind of a piece of pumpkin-super steep, bad tread, very brushy, with lots of scrub oak over the trail, and agaves, yuccas, and prickly pear encroaching, too. My wife has a nice big stain on her shoe now from blood running down her leg. Wear pants and long sleeves if you're thinking of doing Winter Cabin.

Quick driving note: FR231 and FR538 are in great shape, and we had no trouble at all in our little car. We parked at the turnoff for the trailhead, where 538 and 538E meet. If you're very careful, a low-clearance vehicle could probably make it down 538E to the turnoff for the tank but probably not the last few hundred yards to the trailhead. But if you park right at the intersection of 538 and 538E, it's about a quarter mile of easy cross-country walking to the trail.

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Great water from the pipe coming out at about a liter per minute.

dry Ott Lake Dry Dry
Nothing but flowers (and grass).

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Plenty of water in the pools, but it was full of floaties and kind of rank. We would've skipped it, but we were out of water when we pulled in there. Bring a filter and some Crystal Lite or Gatorade powder if you're going to drink from here.
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Oct 15 2016
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 Chandler, AZ
Winter Cabin Loop, AZ 
Winter Cabin Loop, AZ
 
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Backpack18.00 Miles 3,500 AEG
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Dorsey - Kelsey - Sycamore -Winter Cabin Loop, AZ 
Dorsey - Kelsey - Sycamore -Winter Cabin Loop, AZ
 
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Hiking17.54 Miles 3,875 AEG
Hiking17.54 Miles   10 Hrs   35 Mns   1.93 mph
3,875 ft AEG   1 Hour   30 Mns Break14 LBS Pack
 
1st trip
This would be better in April or October. We did a reverse of Bruce's 2012-09-15 loop. No mosquito or wasp issues this round.

The area got around an inch of rain overnight. BiFrost did a fine job sliding his 4Runner through the mud all the way to the Dorsey Trailhead.

Dorsey, Kelsey & Little LO is a fantastic hike down to Sycamore Canyon. An out-n-back would be prime for most.

Not sure how I forgot about 5.6 miles of boulder hopping. Sycamore is cool but 0.6 would suffice. Sprained my ankle so I may be negative biased.

Turning out of the creek and up Winter Cabin Trail #70 we met two canyoneers from Ohio. The little side trip to Ott Lake was a winner for the second time. No field of wildflowers, just a sea of foxtails. Which is the only place I like to see them, in the middle of a lake bed!

Albeit reasonable for myself this was borderline too hot for Bruce. Luckily occasional clouds and breezes made it bearable.

The pines kick in just before Winter Cabin then on up. Always nice to hike in the tall pines.

Shockingly the roads were mostly dry heading out.
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Babes Hole Spring Ott Lake

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it would help if I looked...

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looked fine

dry Ott Lake Dry Dry
just a sea of foxtails
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Dorsey - Kelsey - Sycamore -Winter Cabin Loop, AZ 
Dorsey - Kelsey - Sycamore -Winter Cabin Loop, AZ
 
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The_Eagle
Hiking17.28 Miles 3,784 AEG
Hiking17.28 Miles   10 Hrs   36 Mns   1.93 mph
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1st trip
With the 1" of rain the night before and 20 miles of dirt roads, Karl slid us to the Trailhead in 4wd. With my 2wd Pathfinder, there is absolutely no way we would have made it. We started at 62, got as high as 95 degrees twice on the climb out and finished at a pleasant 68.


- Dorsey Spring Trail #7
This trail is just a wonderful walk in the woods.

- Kelsey Trail #3
At Dorsey Spring, we got on the Kelsey Winter Trail making our way closer to Sycamore Canyon. This also is a nice trail with a few good camp sites on it. We checked out Babes Hole Spring on the way down which had some good filterable water.

- Little Lookout Trail #6
At Babes Hole Spring, we got on to the Little LO Trail. towards the bottom, fill up at Geronimo Spring. Getting to this point is a pretty steep drop. The water is great at the spring

- Sycamore Canyon
While there are some great looking canyon views...
5.8 miles of boulder hopping gets a little tiring for me.

- Winter Cabin #70
From Sycamore Canyon, don't miss the cairned turn on the east side. This is a steep totally exposed climb to Ott Lake. After Ott lake you pick up some trees and is gorgeous at Winter Cabin. Filter some water here if you need it.

- Hog Hill #133
Pleasant grade up from Winter Cabin. This appears to be an old road in many spots

We saw a huge Fox running at top speed with a 3' bone in it's mouth on the way in, a dozen or so elk and plenty of Mule Deer on the day.

I love this area, just need to work up a better loop minimizing the 5.8 miles of boulder hopping
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Plenty in the Spring box and the pools below

dry Colcord Canyon Dry Dry

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Flowing nicely from the black plastic pipe

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Good filtering source


dry Ott Lake Dry Dry

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Spring box is filled in and useless.

We filtered 6 quarts from the pools below
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BiFrost
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Dorsey - Kelsey - Sycamore -Winter Cabin Loop, AZ 
Dorsey - Kelsey - Sycamore -Winter Cabin Loop, AZ
 
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Hiking17.54 Miles 3,875 AEG
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Lots of rain the night before so we pretty much slid into the trail head at Dorsey. Temps were cool but humid at the start. Really enjoyed the hike down into Sycamore Canyon through some nice pines and passed by Dorsey, Babes Hole and Geronimo springs which all had good water. Also some great camp spots in the area if doing an overnight.

As mentioned in Bruce and Joe's triplog once we got into Sycamore Canyon the party was over. Bouldering de jour was the main course but it is a scenic canyon despite the terrain. We ran into some canyoneers from Ohio where we exited Sycamore Canyon up Winter Cabin trail and the only people we saw all day.

Eventually made it to Winter Cabin and filtered some water at Winter Cabin Spring before moving on to Ott Lake. No water in Ott Lake but there were some cool wispy foxtails in the basin. Then the last 4 miles back to Dorsey TH to close out the loop.
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Geronimo Spring

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flow in drainage just below the spring

dry Colcord Canyon Dry Dry
didn't see any sign of water at the confluence or up canyon

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decent flow out of base of spring

dry Ott Lake Dry Dry
could have water in spring or winter

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several decent pools at spring source
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Jun 13 2015
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Kelsey Springs Trail #3Flagstaff, AZ
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Hiking5.30 Miles 941 AEG
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Wonderful day to be in this area. All 3 trails are in pretty good to excellent shape - some deadfall but nothing that is problematic. Area is little-used - I don't know why - Abundant NICE camping - good roads (unless muddy), lots of wildlife.
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None at the spring box - Plenty in the creekbed
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 Peoria, AZ
Winter Cabin CanyonSedona, AZ
Sedona, AZ
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Canyoneering11.50 Miles 2,450 AEG
Canyoneering11.50 Miles   6 Hrs   30 Mns   1.77 mph
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Day two of the weekend started with driving on into the Winter Cabin trailhead area to start the day. Once I turned onto the road for Winter Cabin there was a car inching its way along and to the side of a huge mud puddle in the middle of the road. So of course I did what anyone in my shoes would have done, I drove past them right in the middle of the mud puddle while waving at them. I was actually impressed they drove in that far with a car. Needless to say, I didn't see them again that day or their car when I drove out later.

Once at the trailhead I was alone again, gathered my things for the day and set off. There was a nice gust of wind that stood tall most of the day which made the first half of the day nice and eerie as I made my way down the swinging trees. I reached the Winter Cabin and checked out the area for a few minutes. Since I wasn't up to date on my tetanus shots I didn't get too close to everything inside. Interesting place and with the spring right down the hill I could see myself staying in the area for awhile.

Continuing on my way downhill, you come out of the trees and see the area open up and get your first glimpse of Winter Cabin Canyon from above. You can also see the bushwhacking section you will have to do. From here you are now exposed to the sun as well, it isn't bad until the hike out, trust me. You pass Ott Lake on the way down as well so I thought I would check the area out knowing I wouldn't see any water. It doesn't take long to get there and the area is just amazing. A lush meadow now and the total feeling of seclusion. And again with the wind gusting it made it a refreshing time.

Now on to the canyon, back on the trail I reach the point to break away and do a short bushwhack to the side drainage which will lead you into Winter Cabin Canyon. Nothing I haven't done before so it really wasn't that bad, I don't even feel the scrapes on my legs anymore. In the drainage and immediately the bottom is a wet clay texture. It felt good to be in the shade and work my way down.

Like Bunker Hill, this canyon is not technically difficult, there are some down climbs to manage and then you hit some amazing sculpted canyon walls, some of the best I have seen form in the sandstone. I reached the point where most do the 1st rappel but I was able to down climb the 15ft drop. You are pretty much in the narrows the entire time as this canyon works it way down. The second drop others rappel I down climbed as well, although here it was a little bit tougher. There is only one pool in this canyon which was knee high and refreshing to get it halfway down the canyon.

I finally reached the big drop in a spectacular sculpted wall. I rig the rappel and couldn't help but using my free left hand to feel the wall on the way down. It was amazing, a very nice area to be in for sure. I pull my rope and finish up the canyon which doesn't have many obstacles to handle. At the bottom there are some more amazing formations in the sandstone. I get to Sycamore Canyon and check out the area at the bottom here. Bone Dry! I was hoping for some water so I could wet my clothing for the hike on out. Oh well, time to take a break in the shade and drink a brew.

Now for the hike out. This hike is brutal this time of year, fully exposed to the sun, very steep at the bottom, and faint in some areas so pay attention. Of course the wind had died down at the time it would have been best to be in. I stopped in the few sections of shade for a minute just to get that second of cooling my body down. Boy does this trail not waste anytime climbing out. Once I made my way up to the point I would get back into the pines and some shade, I ran into a group of 3 hikers making their way from Kelsey Sprint to the bottom of Sycamore to see the pools. I told them it was dry at the bottom but one of them insisted that if you head south towards Clarkdale (his exact words) there is a nice section. I wished them a good hike as that is a long trek they were doing and made my way back to the cabin. I went to the spring and got some water to dump on me.

After refreshing myself and feeling like a million dollars again I made my way on up back to the Jeep. I cooked up the last of my food and chilled there for an hour in the hammock before deciding to finally come back home. Had some fun in the mud on the way out and traffic wasn't bad until south of Sedona. But i'll leave my highway driving rant to myself.

Good weekend.
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Sycamore Canyon Loop-North, AZ 
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Hiking17.47 Miles 3,525 AEG
Hiking17.47 Miles   9 Hrs   51 Mns   2.08 mph
3,525 ft AEG   1 Hour   28 Mns Break16 LBS Pack
 
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We tried to do this hike last month, but were turned away because of muddy roads. On this return trip Wally decided to join Denny, Joe and myself. The Trip to this trailhead includes 22 miles of dirt off of I-17. If you like washboard roads, then FR 231 is for you.

It was a beautiful crisp clear morning with The temps on my Truck Thermometer getting down as low as 40 degrees on the way to the TH. We did a clockwise loop

- Hog Hill #133
Pleasant grade down to Winter Cabin

- Winter Cabin #70 (With a stop at Ott Lake)
This is a pretty area.
Interesting Cabin.
Spring is full of water.
Ott Lake is Dry.
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Got to personally witness the Denny Rattlesnake dance. Hope to get it on camera some day.
It goes something like this:
"A high Pitched/Scared hoot, with both hands in the air, hopping on one foot in circles.
This trail gets steep dropping into Sycamore Canyon Basin.

- Sycamore Canyon Basin
There are some pretty views in the canyon, but I tired of the 5.8 mile rock hop.
Two more Blacktail Rattlers found down here

- Little Lookout Trail #6
Fill up at Geronimo Spring. The water is great.
Short Steep trail that climbs out of Sycamore Canyon. If you are trying to find this trail from down below, the trail head is easy to miss as it is blocked by a fallen tree.

- Kelsey Trail #3
Traverses across to Kelsey Spring

- Dorsey Spring Trail #7
The final push up to complete the loop

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Clean Cool water coming from plastic Pipe.....

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Clear cold water. Tastes great.

dry Little L O Spring Canyon Dry Dry
Looked for a bit, never found this one.

dry Ott Lake Dry Dry
Dry

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A few good size pools of clear water. There is a flow.
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Hog133/70 - LO6 - Kelsey3 - Dorsey7 Loop, AZ 
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Hiking17.40 Miles 3,150 AEG
Hiking17.40 Miles   9 Hrs   52 Mns   2.17 mph
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From the Dorsey Springs TH we headed down Hog Hill Trail #133. The air was cool, crisp and most enjoyable through thick pine trees.

After a short visit to Winter Springs Cabin we headed down Winter Cabin Trail #70. On route we stopped by Ott Lake. This large meadow is a very picturesque. Abundant wildflowers filled the dry lake. Mosquitoes tried to devour us alive. Denny entertained with a Kachina Rain Dance type circle stomp upon hearing the rattle of a snake.

Back on trail #70. The descent turns a bit rocky and slightly scratchy down to Sycamore. It felt warmer with each step. It really seemed to drag on making this stretch my least favorite for the day.

We boulder hopped about 5.6 miles up Sycamore Canyon. Which is very similar to the middle section of Woods Canyon most curse off. We lunched near the halfway point. Mosquitoes and wasps were out in force.

Just as we were all excited to exit the canyon and be on a real trail I pounded my inner right calf with a bad step. Not even a scratch, just some blunt force rock pounding. The pain was unreal. About five minutes later it was swelling up enough to concern me. We had a bit of difficulty finding Little LO Trail #6 due to a fallen tree at the first switchback up.

Back on track Little LO ascends quick and steep. Luckily there wasn't much descending as that shot shrieking pain with each step. Albeit steep the trail is short. Next we headed over on Kelsey Springs Trail #3. A little unnerving as it was angling back down...lol The pines give way to live oak. It reminded me of the second mile along Boynton Canyon Trail.

The pines pick back up approaching Dorsey Spring Trail #7. Several of us enjoyed the clean water flowing out of the black tubing. Many thanks to all the kind souls that maintain springs in the back country for all to enjoy.

I enjoyed the hike up Dorsey through the pines. Yet I was glad this one was over due to my leg. The swelling is almost gone now a day later. It's only a little tender. Probably a big ol' yellow bruise will surface. I'm just grateful as the shrieking pain was concerning me.

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Pines are thick on Hog Trail #133, Little LO #6 and Dorsey Trail #7. Not sure on the fire history for the area. Most of the fallen and decaying trees are larger than anything standing. I fire might wipe out this entire area since the pines are skinny and dense. Jim Hodlofski would be better at making that type of assessment.

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It was good to hike with Wally after a little hiatus. The hike in general just seemed okay compared to our Casner-Taylor-Dutch-Sycamore-Dogie Loop loop on April 7th. A day later now it is growing on me, sometimes hikes just have a way of playing with your mind. Bruce put together another winner. Check out his triplog for a thorough report on all the springs!
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An interesting hike,workout,adventure!Thanks for planning this out Bruce.My first time in this area.We saw some nice views of the canyon and cliffs.Three springs and an old cabin.Some nice sections through the pines.Some serious boulder hopping.Lots of flowers.A few rattlesnakes and some bear tracks.There was even a little singing and dancing :o .Thanks for the adventure Joe,Wally and Bruce!Good times :D .
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Winter Cabin Trail #70Sedona, AZ
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2nd day of a BP expedition around the canyon. Staring at the Dorsey junction we went south to Winter Cabin, then back up Hog Hill to the car. Mosquitoes were fierce. Parts of Kelsey starting to get overgrown. May have cured my son's friend of backpacking. Didn't mean to...
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Winter Cabin CanyonSedona, AZ
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Very cool canyon, with a super long stretch of mellow but very scenic narrows. Even better, right now the upper part of the canyon is exploding with fall color (extra rating point for the foliage). No pools to wade, and I only needed gear on the last rappel, down-climbed the others.

Parked just off FR538 and cross-country'd a mile west to the Hog Hill trail head rather than abuse the car by driving to the Winter Cabin trail head. The HH trail is a little faint in places but pretty well cairned.
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Winter Cabin Trail #70Sedona, AZ
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Well...I took off on my dirt bike hoping to find the East Pocket Lookout Tower and the A.B. Young trail. However, I got all confused by the roads out there (thanks google maps) and wasted MUCH gas wondering around looking for the tower. (My intention for the day was an A.B.Young top down hike to prepare for my Whitney trip next week.)

My odometer read 45 miles (my range is about 75) and I was very frustrated at not getting to my goal (maps later show I was extremely close a few times...:() I finally saw a sign that read "Winter Cabin Trail" which piqued my interest. I had never heard of this trail before despite living here 26 years (sadly, I had never explored this part of No. Arizona). This place was so remote, I was wondering if HAZ even had a description. I though, "Surely it must with a numbered trail."

So I followed the road signs to the well marked trail-head and read the description of the trail - - sounded very interesting with the historic cabin and spring. I decided to at least get down to the cabin and have a looksie, and so that's how I signed the register.

The trail to the cabin was nice and overall the area was lush with many varieties of different trees and shrubs. I easily and quickly reached the cabin and explored around (yes, the sleeping bag is still there, with a nice spider and web, see photos). I went off to find the spring and headed upstream from the sign but everything was bone dry....I then headed downstream a bit and found some pools covered with waterbugs...could very well have been the spring, but there was no "running water"...odd.

I got back to the cabin and didn't really feel satisfied with my distance or effort so I decided to complete the trail to the bottom. Hind-site, not so sure this was a good idea hiking solo...I kept thinking about a snake bite and what I would do so far down this brutally hot and steep trail. As well, I mis-signed the register, told my wife I was on a totally different (and unknown) trial, wore flimsy keen sandals and brought no sunscreen...I was making a lot of hiking mistakes.

I must say the last 2 miles of this trail is pretty difficult, in fact, the map back at the trailhead even arrowed off this area stating "NOT FOR HORSEBACK"....I knew I was in a bit of trouble with water as I was constantly sipping my 100oz camelback on the decent...I normally don't do this and save most for the hike back out....but it was HOT, exposed and slippery downhill hiking!!! I kept telling myself - - "the hike out would be BRUTAL"..."save the water"...."be careful, don't slip", "watch for snakes"...nag, nag, nag, very nerve wracking. Finally got to the bottom with various cuts all over my lower legs from the all the tight brush...knowing more were to come on the ascent was also not a pleasant thought.

I was impressed with the views at the bottom, but not awestruck...it was "nice"....extremely rocky and bone dry. I found some shade and rested with an apple and granola bar and about 2/3's of my camelback remaining.

The hike out, as expected, was hardcore...HOT - STEEP - EXPOSED. I traded in the dangerously slippery descent for a heart-pounding and very sweaty ascent. I completely ran out of water by the time I hit the cabin and had to dry-mouth it the remaining 1.29 miles up (fortunately I left a spare liter at the bike - remember, I was only going to the cabin).

Overall, despite my mistakes, I was very satisfied with my results and felt a good sense of accomplishment when finished...I hope to return with cooler weather and explore the spring area near the cabin....perhaps do a few more of the known side hikes in the area.
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The trail and canyon down were easy. I did go to see Ott "Lake" on the way, the lake area must be nicer in spring with water.

The canyon was fairly nice, but it didn't really have any meat to it.

I have never been to Sycamore canyon before. As I left the cooler Winter Cabin Canyon and emerged into Sycamore, it was like being thrown into a kiln. Wow it was hot! :sweat: I was making good time to that point, but on the way out, the hike is steep and it was incredibly hot due to the full sun and lack of shade. I tried to make due with what little shade I could find to try to keep my core temp from going critical and giving myself heat stroke. I spent about 2-2.5 hours, I think, just waiting under meager bushes and shrubs trying to cool off as I climbed a few hundred feet at a time.

I'm rather glad I decided to solo this one and I would've felt guilty making anyone else suffer.

In fall this would be a very pleasant trip. Don't try this in summer!

Saw a kingsnake, a truly beautiful creature. The sleeping bag is still hanging in the cabin!
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water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water less than max Winter Cabin Spring Gallon per minute Gallon per minute
Seemed to be flowing about a gallon per minute. Nearby the streambed had some pools of fairly clear water.
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This is my favorite fall hike on the Rim. When the trees start to turn, it is magical. The spring at Winter Cabin provides a lush environment in the steep drainage down to Sycamore Canyon. From the trailhead, the walk through the mixed conifer forest only occasionally allows a glimpse of the canyon. There is alot of deadfall that someday may be the ruin of this hike.

Down the trail the trees change to junipers--one seed and alligator, then comes the gambel oak trees. As you descend the steep sections of the trail, last winter's runoff has turned the trail into washed out a washed out gulley. I did some maintainance by placing some rocks and logs to try to stop the erosion. This would be a great work project some weekend.

I didn't see another soul on the trail the entire trip. Not even woodcutters at the tornado site!

At the cabin, the mystery hiker still hadn't come back to retrieve his/her gear--sleeping bag and stuff sack full of food, both hung up to keep the critters out. It's been more than a week since I first spotted them.

I took the trail another 1/4 mile below the cabin, then creek-scrambled all the way back up to the cabin, taking pictures all the way. It was amAZing!
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