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Sep 02 2019
johnny88
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 Phoenix, AZ
Horse Crossing Trail #20Payson, AZ
Payson, AZ
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Hiking1.50 Miles 500 AEG
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This weekend, I went to check out some of the East Clear Creek trails to see how they fared the Tinder Fire of May 2018.

Horse Crossing: the trail down to the creek is severely burned. The trail is mostly still easy to follow, but I did lose the trail a couple times as I got nearer to the creek. The creek bottom has some burned and some unaffected areas. The water in the creek was very cloudy and dirty. I hiked down-creek a couple miles before turning around. Hiking back out was much hotter without the shade. I only saw 2 other people.

Kinder Crossing: the road to the trailhead is same as pre-fire. The hike down to the creek seems mostly unchanged, only a couple small burned areas. Conditions along the creek are a mix of burned and unaffected areas. I went down creek almost to the Horse Crossing trail and then turned around. Water along this stretch was also very cloudy and dirty. I saw many people on this hike, including a huge group of backpackers (Scouts? Church or community group?).

East Clear Creek looked better than I expected after the Tinder Fire. I thought the whole area was going to be severely burned. I'm no fire expert and I couldn't tell where the fire originated. The area along the creek seemed more overgrown than what I remember. I'm not sure what caused the poor water quality in East Clear Creek - the Tinder Fire, the more recent fire South of the area, monsoon rains? It made the creek crossings much more difficult as I couldn't see what I was stepping on. The water looks much clearer in the other post-Tinder Fire photoset.

I used to frequently fish East Clear Creek, and I saw absolutely zero signs of fish activity in the creek. The only signs of life in the water I saw were some crawdads and some ducks.

When I was a couple of miles down-creek of the Horse Crossing trail, I ran into a particularly brushy section. I couldn't see much besides the tall brush when I heard something growl at me (or make some kind of noise). Startled me yelled at the startled animal, and then I heard it run away through the brush and splash across the creek. About a 1/4 mile later, I saw a dark animal way on the other side of the creek - I'm guessing this could be the same animal. It's in my photoset. My first thought was "bear", but after looking at it more closely, I think it may have been a dog. It stared at me for 10 or 15 seconds before turning and running away. If it was a dog, I didn't see any people nearby. The next day I ran into a set of bear tracks.
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May 26 2019
jamminaz
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 Gilbert, AZ
Horse Crossing Trail #20Payson, AZ
Payson, AZ
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Hiking2.64 Miles 631 AEG
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Enjoying Rim Country for the long Memorial weekend. Thought it would be fun to check out East Clear Creek again as it’s been a few years since we were there. Obviously, I didn’t do my research!! Sadly, Horse Crossing trail was impacted by last year’s Tinder Fire. The trail is still pretty defined - only a few sections that leave you wondering. Cairns have been placed to try and keep folks on the trail. No more hiking thru ponderosa pines and Gamble oaks; just charred trees. There are already signs of regrowth and once down to the creek it’s like a little slice of heaven! Followed the fishermen’s trails to explore further
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Aug 31 2016
The_N
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 Payson, AZ
Kinder Horse Loop, AZ 
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Hiking7.74 Miles 1,772 AEG
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Had to be in Pine this a.m. so I decided to drive a little further north and hike this quick loop with the pooch. Conditions were perfect and in the 60s upon arrival. The road to the Kinder TH (95T I believe) was a little muddy but in good shape for this time of year. The trail is in good shape as well. We had a few bushwacking sections as we made our way along ECC, nothing to obstructive though. Lots of water present and the creek is lined with various wildflowers. Had a few wet crossings along the way. Rosie was in heaven chasing bugs and splashing around. Some intimidating looking clouds scooted by us but stayed far enough to keep us dry as we exited the canyon. The road walk back to the vehicle was enjoyable. Didn't see a single camper, hiker or even vehicle all day. Nice to have a busy place all to ourselves. FR513B was in bad shape being rutted out and full of big puddles. Cows everywhere too. Made it back to the vehicle as the skies really started to get dark. Got to the 87 in time for a downpour that lasted almost until Strawberry. Well timed and a gorgeous day along ECC.
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Jul 16 2016
chumley
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ECC Blue Ridge to Horse Crossing Loop, AZ 
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Hiking17.66 Miles 1,900 AEG
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Two hours of breaks. That was the theme today. ;)

I agree with Joel's description: the section of ECC from 95 to Kinder is probably the most scenic. We were able to bypass the swimmer on the cliffs on the left. Surprisingly there was nobody at Kinder. Or Horse. Though we spotted two people down that way later after we had climbed out of the canyon and were taking another break.

We hit the Pokéstop at Moqui and enjoyed some suspicious lunch from Joe's duffel but were disappointed to find somebody had molested the disc at the old Blue Ridge tower site. Skirted private property down to the lake. It looked super busy, but it appeared most people didn't venture past the boat ramp, with only 5-6 watercraft between there and the dam.

Speaking of the dam. Damn! Hadn't ever been down below it before and it's impressive. The flow in ECC downstream is the result of a single 3" pipe. Probably a required output as part of the SRP agreement. Luckily ECC has numerous seeps and springs along the way that slowly add more flow. The first half mile from the dam is an unpleasant bouldery mess. It gets better/typical after that.

Nice to cover a 10-mile stretch in the creek today. Thanks to Eagle for drawing it up and driving, and to Joe for sitting in back. :)
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44% full. Elev 6680, about 30 feet below full pool
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Jul 16 2016
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ECC-Horse Crossing-Blue Ridge Loop, AZ 
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Hiking17.51 Miles 1,961 AEG
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I threw out a bunch of options this week and this was the one that stuck. The 6.5 mile drive on FR95 is more like the I-95 "expressway". You could probably drive a sports car on it right now.

Tall Pines and water were the theme for the day. We were the first vehicle in the 17 space paved parking. We were in the creek almost immediately. For the first 6.8 miles, we were able to cross or bypass water, never getting deeper than our knees. The Canyons and views are real sweet here. At about the 4 mile mark, you hit the western section of the Kinder Crossing Trail #19. surprisingly, we never saw anyone here.

At Horse Crossing Trail #20, Chums topped off his water and we made the short lived .8 mile 500+ ft climb to FR513B above.

Next it's off to the Moqui Lookout tower. We had a discussion with Forest Service Law enforcement as to why the road/gate was closed to the tower. We determined that no "Suspicious Package" under the lookout tower was going to stop us. The Suspicious Package ended up being someones lunch.

The views from this tower were especially good. Some of the best I've seen from this Keeps 132' tall, 14' x 14' perch.

The potentially tricky part of the day was next. We had to scrabble off the top of the Rim and get down to the CC Cragin Reservoir. Chums overlaid the Property map on my GPS track and we were able to skirt the Private Property and find an old unmarked "use road", I'd seen on the Satellite Views. It worked out better than expected.

We stopped and checked out the Blue Ridge Dam for a bit and made our final push down ECC back to the vehicle. On this stretch, we had out deepest crossing of the day, up to our waist. The 2.5 miles clicked off pretty quickly.

Temps on the Garmin recorded 70 for a low, to the mid 90's a few times on the day. When in the wind, shade and/or water, it was very comfortable.
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Per Chumley, 44% full

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Kinder Crossing Trail #19 - East AccessPayson, AZ
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Made it in to a good campsite Friday night, just down the road a bit from Kinder Crossing Trail on the east side. There's a pretty cool campsite right at the trailhead, but I chose one a bit further back down the road.
Dropped down the trail Saturday morning and headed downstream. There are numerous campsites along the creek as you might expect. I chose a nice one with a huge deep hole, downstream about a mile below Horse Crossing trail. I saw a few people on Saturday that came down Horse Crossing, and two set up camp about a 1/2 mile downstream from me, at the site with the cobblestone pathway.
Hiking out Sunday was uneventful and I saw no one at all. The place was surprisingly empty given the heat and great swimming and fishing spots along this creek.

I think further exploration downstream, possibly to Leonard Canyon is in order for a future trip.
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Aug 09 2014
chumley
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Hiking10.69 Miles 1,839 AEG
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Planned on doing a loop utilizing the Kinder and Horse Crossing trails across East Clear Creek. From what I had read, I didn't expect to find a route at all on the two eastern trails, but was pleasantly surprised to find both trailheads signed and both trails well-marked, well-traveled, and well-maintained.

I didn't remember there being so much water, but didn't realize how much higher it was until getting home and looking at photos from previous trips. I'm not sure where the water is coming from--it hasn't rained up there in several days, so it wasn't recent storm runoff, and the reservoir is nearly empty and is not feeding the creek. Whereas previous trips you could cross the creek by rock-hopping, this time required wading in water over waist deep and fighting a surprisingly strong current. The strong current resulted in a dangerous mishap to one of us, but I'll let him explain it in his own triplog.

The roads used to make the loop connections to the two trails are pretty boring but go by fairly quickly. We missed where the trail crosses the creek at Horse Crossing, but managed to get across just about where it starts heading up the east side. I went back to find where we were supposed to cross and found the spot, but there is no way I would have tried to cross there. The depth and current made it unsafe. Where we crossed was a bit wider and just shallow enough to keep the boys dry. Which was important as the water was Colorado River cold. 9L and I both had numb legs and feet after crossing -- after just 15-20 seconds in the water. I know it was not over 55, and may have been in the upper 40s. That was very surprising to me for mid-summer up there!

All in all a great day though. Better than the other hike alternative proposed for this weekend!
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Nice day spent in the high country. Our original plan was to follow East Clear Creek to the north and return via the Horse Crossing Trail. We started hiking up the creek and found the vegetation very thick and difficult. On top of the that the creek was flowing high and fast. We decided to change our plan and make a loop using forest roads. This turned out to be a great option. This loop involved Kinder Crossing and Horse Crossing. We had to cross the creek twice and the water came up to our thighs. It was very cold, my legs were numb by the time I reached the other side. Besides that everything was straightforward. The trails leading to and from both crossings are in good shape and easy to follow. They're steep though. Nice day in the cooler temps!
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 Peoria, AZ
Horse Crossing Trail #20Payson, AZ
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BDanger
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Did this short little hike with my two daughters (9 and 7). Could not have asked for better scenery. The road getting there really does require a high clearance vehicle. It was a doozie... It a short hike down a steep hill basically. The camping spot was ideal. It threatened to thunderstorm but we got extremely lucky and it passed before we started hiking at 6:30 pm. We were just able to set up camp before it got dark. The hike out the next morning was a little steep for the kiddos, but they toughed it out like champs. I would highly recommend this hike. I bet the fishing is great too... I need to invest in a packable rod.
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Kinder Horse Loop, AZ 
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Hiking7.60 Miles 930 AEG
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Nice canyon and loop hike: Drop down Kinder Crossing trail :next: splash down the creek :next: exit on Horse Crossing trail and back along some forest roads.
I'd looked at this possibility in the past but never got around to trying it. Then I saw Joe and Bruce did a longer version and Don (evanshiker) had done the loop we did. It worked well and I wouldn't mind going for a slightly longer version but not this day. We got hailed on for about 15 minutes (pea to small marble sized - ouch!) and then 30+ minutes of heavy rain. It wasn't too bad but after the storm the group voted for the "easy way" back.
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Hiking8.65 Miles 799 AEG
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Did this from a cabin. My brother and 4 dogs. 3 of the 4 dogs were running free, but we had to put them back on leashes after a hunter told us it was the first day of elk season. We hiked 3 days in the area, and saw numerous elk tracks that were 4-6 days old. Saw tracks from 2 different bears about the same age. Ponderosa pines dominate with a few junipers and Gambel oaks that were bare last week. The route is basically flat with a few mild ascents and descents, and the entire route is on pathways designated as forest roads. The only portions that are graded and not glorified foot trails are on FR 513 and FR 513B. The OSM map shows them.
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Horse Crossing Trail is the closest hike to this, but it doesn't even get on that trail. It merely goes by the trailhead.
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Kinder Crossing Trail #19Payson, AZ
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We did this trail Tuesday as a part of a larger loop hike that continued down East Clear Creek, out the Horse Crossing trail and back to the car on old, little-used forest service roads. The weather was clear when we started, clouded over and threatened to storm while we were hiking ECC, and cleared up again as we hike the FRs back to the car. Great temperatures (low-70s). Water flow was adequate and water temperature was refreshing. Had to cross the creek many times but always found spots where the depths were ankle to mid-calf. Saw lots of poison ivy at places, but no one in our party got into it.

It's a beautiful canyon and much more passible than West Clear Creek for us non-canyoneers.

Saw lots of bear scat along the trail, especially where the berry bushes were thick (gee, wonder why that is?). Some of the scat was VERY fresh. Unfortunately/Fortunately (depending on your ability to outrun them - just joking) we didn't see any actual bears.
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Aug 15 2011
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East Clear Creek - Horse Xing to LeonardPayson, AZ
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Drove up to the rim Friday afternoon. Very peaceful, almost no traffic. Got to Horse Crossing with no trouble, only had about an hour before dark, so I headed down the horse crossing trail and a short distance down ECC before finding a nice place to camp out and read a book.

Night was pleasantly warm. The next day I felt the humidity and it rained twice for about 40 minutes in total. I found a nice overhang to wait out the longer shower. There was a bit of bushwhacking to get to Mack's crossing and a bit more that final push to get to Leonard. ECC sure looked good @ Leonard, I wished my plans were to continue down as it kept getting better and better.

Headed up Leonard, camping options and water options were slim. Leonard was a bit more painful, but I made it to Victorine Crossing which was a pleasant surprise and headed up on the rim and road-walked back to the car. Due to the 2+ inches of rain on Sunday I was soaked through and through but it was very nice as it wasn't cold. Unfortunately the roads were terrible on the way out to the highway. Made it back home in time for a late dinner.

Best wildlife sighting trip in quite awhile - deer, elk, turkey, herons, mallards, and of course birds, lizards, snakes, crawfish, trout, etc.
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Jul 09 2011
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After spending the night at Long Lake and unsuccessfully trying to fish there Saturday morning, Carolyn and I headed over to East Clear Creek to check out the swimming holes. The road in was awfully rutted and muddy after the recent storms. We hiked down in 15 minutes and continued down stream around the bend to a nice little beach. The high temperature was 81 degrees so the water felt really refreshing. We jsut hung out reading books and sunning on the beach. The trip out was 20 minutes. this quick little jaunt to clean up was 1.7 miles with 500 feet of AEG.
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I decided to join my brother and his friends on one of his planned excursions into the wilds of Arizona. This was a trip down the Horse Crossing trail, along East Clear Creek to Kinder Crossing. We had ourselves a wonderful time. We hit the trail around 9am on a beautiful Saturday morning. There were deep blue skies, lush green trees and grasses, pretty flowers, towering canyon walls, cold water to wade in and a reminder of the circle of life as we came upon an elk carcass. The pool at Kinder Crossing provided an invigorating dip before heading up the steep and rocky trail back out. I am glad that I was with someone who knew the way as the trail along the creek at times required a little imagination to find. Also pants are a good thing to be wearing wile hiking along the creek.
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Hiking2.60 Miles 672 AEG
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We only went down to the western shore and walked around a bit before returning to the trailhead. Nice hike. Did it with some friends (in addition to Sarah).
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Canyoneering14.00 Miles 1,000 AEG
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Started at the Blue Ridge Reservoir dam and followed East Clear Creek downstream to Horse Crossing, about 8 creek miles. Exited at Horse and followed the roads back past Moqui lookout tower (nice views up there) then west along the mesa until able to drop back down to the dam road, about 6 miles, with some moderate bushwhack on the final descent.

With numerous access points this stretch of ECC gets pretty heavy use, there is a fisherman's trail most of the way, generally easy walking and only one mandatory short swim. Nothing nearly as spectacular as its clear creek cousin to the west (few places are), but a very pleasant creek hike nonetheless, with plenty of cool swim holes.
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Hiking9.72 Miles 1,388 AEG
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Last minute decision was to loop hike the Horse Crossing Trail #20 Clockwise with the Kinder Crossing Trail #19.

Now that I get back and see I'm not the first to "attempt" this loop, I don't feel so bad in not completing it.... Yes I do.

No troubles with the Horse Crossing Trail getting down to the Creek. Crossing and climbing out, I found some faint trails to follow. Going up the east side was steep and loose in places, but no big whoop.

Now off to the Kinder Crossing Trail to complete the loop. I followed the FS roads around to where the Topo map showed the "Trail", and decided that was not it. Maps on the GPS were not any help either. Decided to walk the road a bit farther, but turned around when I though I was way to far north to catch the trail down for Kinder Crossing. (I just needed to go another .18 miles) I went back and checked out a road marked as closed for the possible trail on the Topo map. No luck. So I went back the way I came. What should have been an 8 mile loop, was a 9.7 mile out and back.

On the bright side, the hike in the canyon next to East Clear Creek was spectacular!!! Pretty water and great views.

**** 2 mile drive on Forest Road off 95 to the western TH, IS High Clearance. ****
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Hiking avatar Aug 08 2009
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Hiking1.90 Miles 500 AEG
Hiking1.90 Miles   1 Hour      1.90 mph
500 ft AEG
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Having failed several weeks ago to find the exit up the eastern side of the Horse Crossing Trail, I returned this past weekend with the plan to hike down from the eastern trailhead to determine where exactly this trail intersected East Clear Creek.

The eastern trailhead is located off of FSR 137 at N34 34.814 W111 07.735 and is well signed. This is pretty much where the Topo map shows it to be. The road is in good shape and any passenger vehicle could manage it as long as the road is dry. The trail heads straight down the ridge so it is very steep. The trail is in surprisingly good shape as it is maintained by the Wild Geese Club in memory of somebody. (Sorry, but I can't remember what the commemorative sign along the trail said exactly.) Instead of switching back as shown on the Topo map, the trail continues straight down to the creek bed at N34 34.935 W111 08.140. This is roughly at the "C" in the word "Creek" on the Topo map. Very devious. Several weeks ago we had been searching for this trail almost a 1/2 mile further down stream near where the Topo map shows the Horse Crossing Trail, (incorrectly), coming down from the west. At the bottom of the trail, there is a small rock cairn with a number of yellow ribbons tied in the trees that lead one from the creek bed to the well defined trail heading up the ridge.

Knowing the location of the eastern sections of both the Kinder and Horse Crossing Trails it would be possible to make the 8 mile loop up and around the eastern side. This would involve 2.5 miles of hiking FSR 137, but this road is not well traveled and resembles more of a track than a road and would be a pleasant stroll through the pines.
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