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Jan 03 2021
AugustWest
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47 male
 Joined Mar 16 2019
 Phoenix
Pine Mountain Loop, AZ 
Pine Mountain Loop, AZ
 
Hiking avatar Jan 03 2021
AugustWest
Hiking13.67 Miles 2,738 AEG
Hiking13.67 Miles   5 Hrs   59 Mns   2.53 mph
2,738 ft AEG      35 Mns Break
 
1st trip
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Got this idea from a loop that @The_Eagle did about 10 years ago. Arrived at the Salt Flat TH at about 10 AM. It was in the low 30's. There was just one other truck parked with no one present.

Started out on Nelson Trail for just a bit. When I planned this out my thought was to go clockwise, but ended up changing my mind at the last minute. That may in fact be the better way to go in retrospect.

Just before the Pine Flat Trail takes off into Beehouse Canyon I ran into a young couple who were camping practically right on the trail. About 20 feet past their campsite was the entrance to the Canyon. Beehouse falls nicely at the midpoint of the best and worst of today.

Pine Flat meets Shortcut Trail at the top of a rocky mesa and traverses this mesa for a relatively uninteresting 5 miles or so. This is rocky, open ground with some manzanita, juniper and the occasional pine tree to mix things up. Not gonna lie in saying that Shortcut was pretty boring.

The entire world changes at about 6.5 miles entering the upper sections of the southern part of Verde Rim Trail. In my humble opinion these are some of the most fantastic views that I have seen in Arizona. Better than Pine Mountain summit. I really don't know what to say other than that all our favorite ranges were front and center. No Grand Canyon, but pretty much everything else. These views along this portion of the trail were the first unobstructed views of the day and really took my breath away.

From here the Verde Rim Trail that leads to Pine Mountain was steep and brushy. I didn't have too many issues, but i think downhill might be a better choice for this section. Pine Mountain summit is flat and there was a soft spot to rest for a couple of minutes. The western views are obstructed from this vantage point by another mountain and young oak.

Willow Creek Trail is about a third burned but the sections that aren't burned are pretty glades of predominantly pine forest.

Everything I saw today was dry except at the lower elevations where Nelson Spring is running incredibly strong.

Finally a word on the roads in. CR 171 is decent with some washboarding. Things get worse on Dugas, but still Subaru-able. Once you turn onto FR 68 the road is just a rocky, tough Arizona forest service road. High Clearance absolutely, but how high? My truck did fine...no worries and I didn't need 4WD once.

Things were special enough in this wilderness to start working towards a multi day backpack incorporating Cedar Bench Wilderness which is connected at its southern end by FR 68G which to the south terminates close to the northern end of the Verde Rim Trail in the Pine Mountain Wilderness.
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May 13 2020
joebartels
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 Phoenix, AZ
Nelson - Willow - Verde Rim - Pine Flat Loop, AZ 
Nelson - Willow - Verde Rim - Pine Flat Loop, AZ
 
Hiking avatar May 13 2020
joebartels
Hiking15.75 Miles 2,671 AEG
Hiking15.75 Miles   6 Hrs      2.68 mph
2,671 ft AEG      7 Mns Break
 
1st trip
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March through the Pines
Nelson up to then through Willow had us on the rim in cool morning temps. Those rim views always get your attention. That was the break.

Rim
Verde Rim Trail #161 was dandy. Realized this area features a lot of Arizona White Oak. Somewhere after Bishop back on Nelson brush encroaches. Then it hurts and route finding with frequent GPS verification is the game. We lucked out on the direction of travel, descending this crap is always easier. Most of the hell is chaparral. There is mean looking catclaw but you can typically favor pushing aside the live oak, sugar sumac, and mahogany.

Pine Flat Trail #165
Turning back to home on #165 it's still a little brushy. The worst scratchy stuff is over. The gamble oak leaves looked spanking neon green new and were velvet soft. We toured Sycamore proper, then an unnecessary pasture.

Flavored sugar pellets from taco-bandito hit the spot. Beehouse Canyon was stunning. The final strides on Nelson high banking Sycamore Creek are quintessential hiking.

Road
Wide-eyed alert in & out since others often ask. A little high clearance 2WD if dry. Stay out if muddy or forecasted rain. Good tires a bonus. A twenty-yard rocky stretch might pop tender street tires if you don't slowly crawl it. I wouldn't hesitate.

Synopsis
Great to babble with JJ. Getting back into hiking rhythm he opted low-key out of three suggestions. Nothing like taking a router to a sprint course, 0.5mph quicker than my recent hikes... lol My lackadaisical approach to planning put us through a cow pasture. The scratches will heal, hope my next hike here won't be through that brush. The final two furlongs ended in storybook cool mountain breezes.
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Off-n-On Western Wallflower, lots o'Verbena
A few small patches of Pink Phlox was the eye-catcher. Only a few were in prime. Most were wilted or unimpressive single blooms.
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May 13 2020
JuanJaimeiii
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54 male
 Joined Jan 30 2011
 Chandler, AZ
Nelson - Willow - Verde Rim - Pine Flat Loop, AZ 
Nelson - Willow - Verde Rim - Pine Flat Loop, AZ
 
Hiking avatar May 13 2020
JuanJaimeiii
Hiking15.75 Miles 2,671 AEG
Hiking15.75 Miles   6 Hrs      2.68 mph
2,671 ft AEG      7 Mns Break
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1st trip
I was looooong overdue for a hike with Joe. He suggested 3 and while the most appealing was Manning Camp I felt it may be a bit much as I am just getting my wheels back. Had a hernia surgery in January that didn't heal as quickly as I had hoped. All is well now so now so it feels great to get back on the trails. I'm hoping he and I can do the Manning hike before the year is over.

This one was awesome and I really enjoyed the killer views from the top of the Verde Rim. I on the way up we say a patch of wild yellow roses in bloom which was pretty cool as well. Overall just a great hike and felt good to get out of town and away from all of the craziness. 2020 hasn't been a great year to be a restaurant owner. Thank god for Real Estate.

Thanks for the suggestion Joe it was a winner.
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outdoor_lover
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58 female
 Joined Aug 19 2011
 Scottsdale, AZ
Pine Mountain Verde Rim LoopCamp Verde, AZ
Camp Verde, AZ
Hiking avatar Apr 24 2020
outdoor_lover
Hiking10.90 Miles 2,200 AEG
Hiking10.90 Miles
2,200 ft AEG
 
1st trip
Pine Mountain has been on my list for several years now. But I never thought I had enough vehicle to get there, and if the current road is any indication, I was right, at least for me and my vehicle. But things change and so do vehicles. :y: And even with the truck, that road though. 5 MPH tops for the last 7 miles. It wasn't hard, no need for 4L, but just rocky and rough enough that unless you wanted to keep hitting the top of the cab with your head, you were going to have to take it slow. :sweat: There was an outfitter camp in the campgrounds, but I was the only other vehicle when I arrived.

My first time in this area at all and it was pretty sweet. I started a bit late, I think it took me about 1 1/2 hours to get from I-17 to the TH. I thought about doing a bigger loop, but with the later start and me dinking around the first 3 miles of the hike taking photos, I had to stay with the original plan. I also wanted to do the rough drive back while it was still light.

It was interesting to learn after about 1 1/2 miles of hiking the Nelson Trail, that I'd been hiking on Private Property? Apparently, although no indication at the start, part of the Nelson Trail is not on Public Lands, according to the signs later encountered. There were also fresh survey ribbons and stakes along the way, which makes me wonder what the fate of this particular stretch of trail will be. It would be a shame to lose it, as it is a beautiful section of the trail.

The first 3 morning miles were beautiful, with Sycamore Creek flowing, springs running and trees glowing with new spring growth. The birds were very active too. Then it started to heat up, the water dried up for the most part and the gnats were out in force. Luckily there was a breeze at times, but I kept moving. Decided to do the loop CW, just to get the uphill out of the way as soon as possible. Just before topping out on Rim, I ran into the Outfitter, with 2 others. Hunters, with 3 Mules and 6 Hounds. Looking for Spring Bear and Lion I guess. They weren't the talkative type and neither was I, but I did sweet talk the hounds a little.

Topped out on the Rim and enjoyed the views. It was rather warm and the gnats were incessant, but I found some shade under a pine for a break and a snack and then I hit the top of Pine Mountain. I was kind of amazed how the top itself was almost devoid of trees, but the views were really sweet. Back down and around and more trail along the rim for a bit. Hit the Pine Mountain Trail and started the descent. Trail is pretty rocky here, so there was no cruising, just trying not to roll an ankle. Hung a right back onto Nelson and kept going. Got back to the non-loop part of the hike and the trail got better and I started to cruise for the finish. My "back to the barn" mentality was interrupted by a sun bather on the trail. He was over 4' long and gorgeous. I couldn't help but stop and admire that beautiful skin. He modeled for me for about 20 minutes or so and then he went off to go find some lunch. And my cruising resumed. A few brief stops for photos the last 1 1/2 miles and then it was back to the truck. With the exception of the Guide and his Clients, I hadn't seen another soul all day. Until now. The Campground was filling up. Several cars and quite a few people were there. Time to go.

I was hoping to not meet cars on the road, but on a Friday afternoon, even with that road, the hope was for naught. Luckily there were only two coming in. The road is a single lane, with very few spots to pull over for oncoming traffic. The first small SUV had to get up off the road, as I was climbing a hill. I had to get up off the road for the 2nd small SUV. It's not that easy, as the tall grass along the road tends to hide even the bigger rocks. No clue whether either of them made it to the Campground, or if they were even going that far. Hit the highway and headed for home. Looked like a normal Friday Night in late April, as far as traffic goes. Lots of vehicles headed north, many pulling trailers.

The Truck did great and I was so happy. I'm feeling a bit liberated in that there are a few more areas I can now get to without the worry of breaking a vehicle to do it. Trying to break the truck in right, and that always involves a little pinstriping. :D

This was a great area! I'll be back to do some other Loops here as well. There are several options out there. This was my first time above 4000 feet in over 1 1/2 years, so it was a good hike to acclimate to something higher. And much cooler than the Valley for sure. Not sure if my desert hiking is over for the season or not, but it was nice to see and hear the pines again.
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There are a few blooms starting, but nothing significant. Verbena has a few clumps here and there and the Lupine is just starting to think about spring.

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Apr 22 2020
DixieFlyer
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 Fountain Hills,
Pine Mountain 6814 Lasso Loop, AZ 
Pine Mountain 6814 Lasso Loop, AZ
 
Hiking avatar Apr 22 2020
DixieFlyer
Hiking10.40 Miles 1,939 AEG
Hiking10.40 Miles   5 Hrs   10 Mns   2.32 mph
1,939 ft AEG      41 Mns Break
 
1st trip
Pine Mountain 6814 has been on my radar screen for a while, mainly because it is a wilderness high point and a P2K peak, meaning that it has 2,000' or more of topographic prominence. With the temperatures starting to heat up in the valley, I figured that today would be a good day to go check out this area.

I had read trip reports that indicated that FR 68 wasn't exactly a super highway, so my expectations for conditions of the road were pretty low. While the road was pretty rough, it wasn't as bad as I feared -- I took it slow in a number of places, but made it to the TH without incident. You would definitely need a HCV to navigate this road, and I think that you'd also want a 4WD vehicle. I imagine that it took me a little over an hour to get from I-17 to the TH.

This turned out to be a cool hike: I did a CCW lasso loop hike. From the TH I took the Nelson Trail for about 3 miles; then took the Pine Mountain Trail to the Verde Rim Trail; then took the Willow Springs Trail back to the Nelson Trail; then took the Nelson Trail back to the TH. While on the Verde Rim Trail I took a short off-trail jaunt to the Pine Mountain Summit.

I enjoyed the hike -- there was a creek with water flowing alongside most of the Nelson Trail. Most of the hike was beneath some large trees, which provided some filtered shade from the sun. There were some nice views as I gained elevation, and the views at the summit were definitely nice.

I imagine that I will do this hike again, probably in the fall. Perhaps by then my selective memory will have kicked in and I will have forgotten about how rough FR 68 is.

I saw no other hikers on the trail, so social distancing was not an issue.
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There was not much in the wildflower department today: a few gooding's verbena and western wallflower was about it
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Sep 29 2019
emilystardust
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39 female
 Joined Jun 23 2015
 Phoenix, AZ
Pine Mountain Verde Rim LoopCamp Verde, AZ
Camp Verde, AZ
Hiking avatar Sep 29 2019
emilystardust
Hiking9.80 Miles 1,875 AEG
Hiking9.80 Miles
1,875 ft AEG
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1st trip
As others have mentioned, long road to the trailhead. There were a few cars along the road camping and one at the campsite, but we saw no other people on this trail all day. We did see a black bear, which was pretty exciting (scary-ish, a little too close for what I would prefer) since I haven't seen one before in the wilderness. Verde Rim portion was beautiful - excellent scenic views all around.
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Apr 26 2018
friendofThundergod
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 AZ
Pine Mountain 6814Camp Verde, AZ
Camp Verde, AZ
Hiking avatar Apr 26 2018
friendofThundergod
Hiking9.74 Miles 2,215 AEG
Hiking9.74 Miles   3 Hrs   55 Mns   2.66 mph
2,215 ft AEG      15 Mns Break
 
1st trip
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I took the pups up to Pine Mountain Wilderness for a little hike this morning. I wanted to keep our hike close to the valley and as close to 7,000 feet as we could. My best two options for that are Peeley and PMW, Pine Mountain won today, due in large part to the perennial stream section at the beginning that I knew the pups would appreciate on the way back to the trailhead.

This is my third time to this area and although, I have only done variations of the same hike, I am still generally pretty impressed with the area. The perennial stream section and the robust spring that feeds it is a real gem and this time through I noticed for the first time the semi-large trout that must have been planted there by the forest service. I really can't imagine that small section of perennial stream holding a viable trout through the summer, but someone has and apparently they thrive in their limited environment. The final push to the peak was a tad warm even before 9 in the morning, but it was a little breezy up top and it felt great in the shade where we took a quick break. Solid views as usual from there, but a little hazy today. I didn't think we would see anyone up there today, but we did run into a local rancher on horseback. From the sounds of it, he was scouting the area for the beginning of turkey season, or a turkey hunt tomorrow. I did not make a loop of today's hike and just did an out and back to save a couple minutes, as I needed to be back in Phoenix by early afternoon. We made a couple stops along the creek on the way out for the pups to cool off, but still made it back relatively quickly and I was able to get back in time for some obligations in Phoenix.
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friendofThundergod
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Pine Mountain Verde Rim LoopCamp Verde, AZ
Camp Verde, AZ
Hiking avatar Nov 05 2017
friendofThundergod
Hiking10.07 Miles 2,032 AEG
Hiking10.07 Miles   4 Hrs   29 Mns   2.38 mph
2,032 ft AEG      15 Mns Break
 
I had been wanting to get back out to this area since my first hike in the area a couple years ago. The return trip was well worth it and the place still left a good impression on me, but the drive in sucks and I can't believe I had forgot that.

Luckily with the fall colors and the big views from the rim today, the long drive became an afterthought pretty quickly. This is a really nice area this time of year and a quaint, but worthy little wilderness area. We only saw one person all day (a hunter) and moved pretty quickly on the generally nice trail. The views from the rim were especially nice today due to some nice clouds. There were also some nice sections of fall colors along the way and just about perfect hiking temperatures.
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Nov 05 2017
John9L
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 Scottsdale, AZ
Pine Mountain Verde Rim LoopCamp Verde, AZ
Camp Verde, AZ
Hiking avatar Nov 05 2017
John9L
Hiking9.95 Miles 2,041 AEG
Hiking9.95 Miles   4 Hrs   36 Mns   2.31 mph
2,041 ft AEG      18 Mns Break
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1st trip
Met up with Lee and the pups for a fun hike north of Phoenix. We met at the Happy Valley Park N Ride at 6am and made the drive up. We turned off at the Dugas / Orme exit and headed east. The long dirt road turned into a pain! Overall the road is in good condition but very long and tedious! We were driving in right after the sun peaked over the horizon and spent most of drive with a blinding sun directly in our eyes! We were both glad when we arrived at the TH around 8am. Speaking of that we pulled in and parked next to Chumley’s truck who was car camping. He was sleeping in the back of his truck and I’m glad he didn’t shoot us after waking him up!

We hung out with Chumley for about 20 minutes and then started our hike. The trail is in good condition as it makes a steady climb. The lower canyon had lots of water and some nice fall colors. We continued up and hit the start of our lasso and opted for a clockwise loop. We continued up and topped out on Pine Mountain. Once there we soaked in the views and ate a snack. From there we continued along the rim and eventually started our descent back to the TH. We cruised down and were back to the TH around 1pm. Chumley was long gone so we packed up and made the drive back to Phoenix.

This was a nice hike and I’m glad I can finally check it off the list. The road is a pain but the hike is worth doing at least once. Thanks to FOTG for driving!
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 Goodyear, AZ
Pine Mountain Verde Rim LoopCamp Verde, AZ
Camp Verde, AZ
Hiking avatar Nov 04 2017
Nightstalker
Hiking10.80 Miles 1,917 AEG
Hiking10.80 Miles   5 Hrs   55 Mns   2.36 mph
1,917 ft AEG   1 Hour   20 Mns Break15 LBS Pack
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1st trip
Perfect temps, overcast skies, and plenty of trees for today's hike to Pine Mountain. Left McD's at Carefree Hwy and I-17 at 5AM and made it to the trailhead just before 7am. As noted by others, high clearance vehicle recommended! I was pretty spooky doing this road in the dark before sunrise. There were at least 3 campsites in the camping area at the trailhead, no one offered us any bacon before departing though, guess they don't like pretty girls. Lots of hardwoods at peak color throughout the duration of the hike with plenty of pines mixed in for additional color. Got stuck behind cattle two different times on the way in. They got a good working trying to stay ahead of us. Took the side trail up Pine Mountain for the best views of the Verde Valley on the hike. Saw one other person in the 10+ miles of trail.
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 Arizona
Pine Mountain Wilderness, AZ 
Pine Mountain Wilderness, AZ
 
Hiking avatar Nov 04 2017
MountainMatt
Hiking16.57 Miles 2,659 AEG
Hiking16.57 Miles
2,659 ft AEG25 LBS Pack
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1st trip
I've been wanting to check out the Pine Mountain Wilderness for quite sometime and this weekend could not have been better for the trip.
Drove out on Friday night and enjoyed the fun road on the way to the TH illuminated by the full moon glow.

Chums had been out before and planned a loop for us that ended up being one of my favorite day hikes in quite some time!
Saturday started out a little sunny but soon the clouds rolled in and with most of the hike being under some form of shade made for incredibly pleasant hiking weather.
Views from the rim and Pine Mountain were stunning and offered a nice view of some red lollipop slopes here and there.

The winner of the day was our side trip up to Beehouse Spring which was a gem of healthy maples, oaks and sycamores complimented by the occasional prickly pear.

Before returning to the TH with Chums I departed and headed back up and past Black Alder Spring to photograph this little scene of agave and maples we passed earlier in the day.
On the return back in the dark I thought I spooked some more cattle but after my headlamp flashed on the movement I was surprised to see 5 or 6 monkey-skunks scattering up the trees making all sorts of noise.

The next morning I woke up for sunrise and hiked back on up to Beehouse to take advantage of the color and enjoyed a quiet morning in silence taking photos in a diverse wonderland which added an additonal 2.47 miles and minor aeg which I added to the loop stats.

A downright perfect weekend with good company spent out in the Pine Mountain paradise.
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Dull Maples, Healthy Oaks and Sycamores galore, a little sumac and a few past prime random aspen.
Most of the maples lacked the spunk of a nice red but there was still some hot spots to be found.

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3 pools of clear water frequently used by cattle 50-60 yards downstream from the actual marked spring.

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Water running down from the hillside spring giving fuel to Sycamore Creek.

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chumley
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 Tempe, AZ
Pine Mountain Plus, AZ 
Pine Mountain Plus, AZ
 
Hiking avatar Nov 04 2017
chumley
Hiking11.81 Miles 2,408 AEG
Hiking11.81 Miles   6 Hrs   5 Mns   2.28 mph
2,408 ft AEG      54 Mns Break
 
1st trip
Spent the weekend at Salt Flat Campground. Saturday Matt and I hiked a north loop to Pine Mtn. The weather was perfect! The leaves were sporadic to start, and just a little bit blah/dull overall. Not quite the saturated color I would have hoped for.

There was a truck at the trailhead with a HAZ sticker, but we didn't manage to cross paths with @nightstalker. We did cross paths with @mr14ner, the 3rd time that's happened for me!

Sunday 9L and FOTG stopped by in the morning to visit before heading out on a loop of their own.

I made an effort to drive the road to the Rim, but gave up just past the Oxbow Trail since I had been bumping along for over an hour. I could have made it the rest of the way, but it was really slow going, and I just wasn't enjoying it and the end goal of hiking down to Cold Water Spring just wasn't worth the effort I was putting forth.

So I turned around and headed back down to where the road is nice again!
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water report recorded in the field on our app Route Scout 100 yards below marked spot, several shallow pools of clear water during a record dry autumn.

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water report recorded in the field on our app Route Scout Clear and reliable as always

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Nov 11 2015
chumley
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 Tempe, AZ
Pine Mountain Verde Rim, AZ 
Pine Mountain Verde Rim, AZ
 
Hiking avatar Nov 11 2015
chumley
Hiking11.05 Miles 2,161 AEG
Hiking11.05 Miles   4 Hrs   33 Mns   2.85 mph
2,161 ft AEG      40 Mns Break
 
1st trip
With existing plans dictating a later start and an early finish I lobbied a bit for an actual "fall" hike despite the moderate drive.

Turns out it was a great day. The road was as nice as I've ever seen it. Only the last few miles were a little rough, and those will never change. The rest was nicely graded and smooth despite recent storms. Temps got to the 50s, but by the end of the day, I was happy to have a beanie and gloves, though probably only in the mid 40s it wasn't necessary, just more comfortable.

Only a couple of maples still had some color, but the sycamores flashed some gold, along with ample big green leaves already on the ground. The oaks up here were the ones showing rusty golds most of the day. Great views up top ... the SF Peaks had a very impressive snow pack for November, while the Mazzy ridgeline, 4 peaks and the Supes looked great. Horseshoe lake looks pretty full.

As the responsible party today I acknowledge leading the group astray for an extra 1.1 miles and 22 minutes. My bad!

There were a couple of patches of snow remaining in the most sheltered areas and places where some nasty thorns (perhaps wild rose bushes?) were growing in a few spots along the trail.

There are two apple trees near Nelson spring. I managed to harvest a single green-skinned apple that was tart but good. Earlier in the season this might be a good one!

Glad Dave was able to join us on this special holiday. Special thanks to Lee and the many other Hazzers who have made personal sacrifices to serve our country. :worthy:
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A few late maples hanging on, but mostly done. Oaks are rusty gold and approaching peak. Sycamores still have some gold but many have fallen. Lots of green leaves of all varieties on the ground already. Big wind last weekend after the snow impacted everything. Cottonwoods in the canyons on the drive in are just getting going. Another week or two for them.

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water report recorded in the field on our app Route Scout Running clear and clean

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mostly mud but some small puddles
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Pine Mountain Verde Rim LoopCamp Verde, AZ
Camp Verde, AZ
Hiking avatar Nov 11 2015
friendofThundergod
Hiking11.05 Miles 2,161 AEG
Hiking11.05 Miles
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Just keeping the tradition alive today by completing another nice Veterans Day hike with Chumley. We picked up an extra this year, as Dave joined us. It was a late start because I am a mean coach and made my boys come in and practice on their morning off. Nevertheless, Chumley was able to plan a nearly perfect afternoon hike.

We completed the Pine Mountain-Verde Rim loop. The drive was not too bad, we appreciated what appeared to be a recently graded road. The temps were great and the trails were in excellent condition for the most part. The views from the rim and Pine Mountain were very nice and there was a considerable amount of water at the lower elevations. There were also several nice sections of Fall colors along the lasso-loop. The hike exceeded my expectations, a nice little area. Nothing in that area was really on my radar until today. Now the wheels in my head are turning, as I think of hikes that could incorporate Pine Mountain, Cedar Bench and the western Mazzys all in one shot.
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Mar 17 2015
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64 male
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 Scottsdale, AZ
Pine Mountain Verde Rim LoopCamp Verde, AZ
Camp Verde, AZ
Hiking avatar Mar 17 2015
mazatzal
Hiking9.80 Miles 1,875 AEG
Hiking9.80 Miles   5 Hrs   40 Mns   2.03 mph
1,875 ft AEG      50 Mns Break
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Hadn’t been up here in a few years. The views from the summit are excellent. Didn’t see anyone all day except at the trailhead. We saw quite a few horses on the drive in and out.
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Nov 02 2014
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 Phoenix, AZ
Jack's Back 2014, AZ 
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Hiking9.80 Miles 940 AEG
Hiking9.80 Miles   5 Hrs   50 Mns   2.24 mph
940 ft AEG   1 Hour   27 Mns Break
 
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Kelly and I finally made our decision to cancel our Sedona double due to weather concerns. If I'm going to climb two mountains, I prefer near excellent conditions. So we scrambled to do this year's "Jack's Back" :DANCE: hike with the hopes of getting out in the Goldfields. And then we bugged Kathy to come join us and even Karl came. kingsnake couldn't make it; hopefully he'll make the last "Jack's Back" hike next fall.
It was a bit of a gloomy day weather-wise but we were all glad to be out; especially in a new area. I picked up K&K and we me the others at the designated parking area across from where we would start our hike. I am not sure how this triplog got so long for a 10 mile hike :sorrry:


And off we went soon sliding into the wash of Willow Springs Canyon. We all seemed to instantly like the area with the mixture of flora and rock and views of which the most prominent in front was Gonzales Needle (a historic landmark named after a grand nephew of the Peralta family. Gonzales Needle marks the northern limit of the Goldfield Mining District.) Off to our right it was fun to see the Little Four Peaks too.

Soon we would encounter the first of several troughs this day and then we would hike thru a section with beautiful non-native fountain grass; it's always so pretty and was on each side of us. Next we would pass what we assumed was a long narrow trough that once had a sign above it. We then saw the first of several trail sign 12 markers (Trail 12 is also FR12, didn't know that at the time).

Our first stop would be the caves which we checked out; it's quite an extensive system. Fortunately there was little to no trash around most of the area. We continued down the drainage and around the corner we encountered metate holes and another trough. This trough had quite a bit of water in it. A little further we found the community grinding center with at least two dozen metate holes below the west wall. You can also see the old pipe hung from it.

Next was the narrows section. Actually there were a couple of these. We came to this one area where the others had gingerly gotten down and decided surely it was easier to go up and around so Kathy and I decided to do some 'sploring. We went up (adding to our AEG ;)) only to discover we couldn't get down where we thot. So we had to contour this rather difficult landscape until we could find a place to get down and join the others. Well now that our little adventure was over we could move on to an area where we encountered yet another trough. This one was completely devoid of water and had dried mud at its bottom.

We continued on in the wash for about another 10 minutes; saw a place to come up and out but continued for a bit and decided to climb up and out the hard way. Now mind you, this was totally unnecessary but of course we didn't know that at the time (Kelly and Kathy went back to the easy walk up). Not sure why we opted out of the creek bed :-k . BUT it turned out to be quite the nice adventure as once we started going UP the road the views were terrific BUT then it started getting a lot steeper and pretty soon we were at what you might call a cul de sac. So as long as were up here, Karl climbed up Peak 2348 or Karl's Peak :D as it has now been designated. We got cool pics of him on top.

Once he was down we realized we should have made a left at the drainage that was draining to the Willow Creek Canyon we had left 1/2 hour previous. No big deal as we would get a little AEG for this one. And the views were superb. So back down the hill we went, caught the drainage and headed west back to Willow Springs Canyon. In this little drainage we came to a cool pour over cut into the landscape. This little drainage had lots of cool flora too. And to be truthful, you should just stay in the canyon but what's the fun in that.

Once out our mission continued as we headed down the canyon. We came upon a tree that had some sort of puffy flora growing up through it. We have no idea what it is of course. Reminded me a bit of Cliff Rose but it wasn't that. We passed by some interesting walls along the canyon and then veered slightly right back onto Trail 12 that we had been on and off of a couple times. None of us realized there was a trail number. We continued north on the road bed that was fairly wide but somewhat rocky. We passed by one of the most incredible Christmas cholla clusters I have ever seen.

The clouds were breaking up pretty seriously by this point providing a different view of the landscape we had been seeing :) including views to the NW of Dome Mountain. Once Karl locked his GPS onto Bagley Tank, he would update us as to our progress while HAZTrks would let us know how far we had come along with other statistics (you can hear her in the video even... by the way, I would prefer a male voice; can I get that changed or have it as an option? ;))

Finally we made our destination, Bagley Tank (END movieing). It was really pretty and was showing off its reflections. We went to the other side to have our lunch in the shade. It was a great place for lunch with lots of green grass on the berm below our feet. About 1/2 hour later it was up and at 'em to hit the trail back straight this time. After spotting a gila monster (I didn't see it) and trying to coax it into view with no luck, we continued including up a hill that provided a great photo op to the Superstition Ridgeline. We were getting views of the whole Ridgeline off and on during the day.

I showed Kathy the big bunch of Christmas Cholla I had seen earlier (the others were ahead) and then we passed back thru the remnants of a Chain Cholla forest. Heading more in a southernly direction now, the sand got a little deeper along the way. We were seeing the landscape with the sun rather than the filtered light of the morning. We hit the narrows and that one section Kathy and I had avoided this AM. It was a little tricky getting up it but we made it. There were some big pools of water here as well but they were hidden within the rock.

We got closer to the cave section which is the only shade along this route. We stopped just for a moment to enjoy it and look at the caves once again before completing our hike. The others ahead of us, Kathy and I at the back. We hit the parking lot and cracked open our beer. Kelly gave us the good news about the Cardinals :) . We observed a fellow reading his book over on the sidewalk in like the only place where there was no view. And then he started stretching :o or whatever that was. And as the HP drove by we hid our beer not knowing the rules of drinking in the parking lot.

Yep it was 2 o'clock and we had another hike in the books in a fun area with the most delightful people :y: . I took WAY too many pics but I like to do that when a group of us gets together, and after all "Jack's Back!"

Unfortunately, I had slipped my movie mode into AVCHD so the quality isn't nearly as good though I just read there shouldn't be any difference between that and mp4 HD. So now I'll have to run a comparison and see.

Video 1 to the caves - [ youtube video ]
Video 2 to Karl's Hill - [ youtube video ]
Video 3 pending upload to youtube tonite 11/4/2014 after dinner and finally some Picacho Pecan Pie Brown Ale 6.0% - Pecan Pie in a glass! at the Arizona Wilderness Brewery
11-5-14 wow is that beer awesome! now to Video 3 link from Karl's Hill to Bagley Tank - [ youtube video ]
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Nov 02 2014
slowandsteady
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47 female
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 Phoenix,AZ
Jack's Back III, AZ 
Jack's Back III, AZ
 
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Hiking9.80 Miles 940 AEG
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940 ft AEG   1 Hour   27 Mns Break
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I didn't need to be bugged too much to agree to this hike and meet Jack! I had never been to the Goldfield's and this was a great introduction.

I got to see a gila monster, a giant christmas cholla, I am now the proud owner of an Apache Tear and I had a great time!

Next up, Little Four Peaks, whose with me?!
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 Chandler, AZ
Pine Mountain Verde Rim LoopCamp Verde, AZ
Camp Verde, AZ
Hiking avatar Oct 26 2013
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Hiking12.02 Miles 2,058 AEG
Hiking12.02 Miles   7 Hrs   33 Mns   2.36 mph
2,058 ft AEG   2 Hrs   28 Mns Break
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We got to the trailhead about 8:15am. The sun still hadn't reached the trailhead so it was quite chilly standing there while everyone got ready. There were several hunters(?) camped in the TH area. We appeared to be the only hikers. It ended up that we had the whole trail to ourselves.

I enjoyed the trail as it was veiled by the trees with just enough sun penetrating to keep the area from being dark. The trail was blanketed in most of the areas by a layer of leaves resulting in a satisfying crunching sound as we walked by. Which was then augmented by Angela crushing pinecones.:)

The maple and oak trees appeared to be about in the peak of their color. The reds of the maples just jumped out ahead beside the trail. For some reason every time we passes a maple tree Angela and Kathy seemed to disappear for awhile. I was surprised that the ground was covered in many areas with acorns, but only one squirrel was sighed. No signs of eaten acorns were noticed. What's up with that?

Did have one unfortunate event, while moving into position to take a picture with camera in one hand and sunglasses in the other my feet got tangled in the undergrowth. Luckily only my sunglasses and dignity were damaged.

There wasn't a lot of water in the creek. Most of what there was came from Nelson Place Spring, which was flowing very nicely.

Just as we had resigned ourselves to the complete lack of wildlife, on the way back behind a small stand of red sumac just off the trail was the biggest black bull I've seen. Angela informed us that he was an angus. My only comfort was that he thought he was hiding from us behind the sumac.

Many thanks to Karl for driving us to the TH including the "beautiful" Forest Road 68. The road had a lot to be improved, but the views were spectacular.
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 Phoenix, AZ
Pine Mountain Verde Rim LoopCamp Verde, AZ
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Hiking avatar Oct 26 2013
BiFrost
Hiking10.30 Miles 2,203 AEG
Hiking10.30 Miles   7 Hrs   45 Mns   1.65 mph
2,203 ft AEG   1 Hour   30 Mns Break
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We did Pine Mtn last year and was surprised at the amount of fall color so decided to make it happen again this year. It was even better this year being a week later and just about peak. By far the best sections for foliage is the Nelson Spring and Willow Springs trails on the northwest side of the mountain. The pace was pretty slow making our way up to the Pine Mtn summit with lots of picture taking.

Eventually we made it to the summit and the views from the top are pretty awesome. You have really good views of the Verde Valley looking east, the Mogollon rim to the north, and Supes (even Weaver's Needle) to the south.

After finishing lunch on top we headed down Verde Rim trail to the Pine Mtn trail and back to Nelson Spring trail closing the loop. Again we enjoyed the foliage on Nelson Spring trail as the afternoon light gave the canyon a totally different look :) Nice to hike with and meet Mike for the first time and hike with Angela again!
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Maples, Sycamore, Sumac and Gambel Oak

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Pine Mountain Verde Rim LoopCamp Verde, AZ
Camp Verde, AZ
Hiking avatar Oct 26 2013
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Hiking9.80 Miles 1,875 AEG
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What a great loop this more or less is. The less is coming down the Pine Mountain Trail on the west side. In the fall, I would rather do it as an up and back. The trail coming down on the west side isn't much fun though it had its scenic moments.... just too few.

Karl and Kathy got us on the trail around 8:30 AM. It was a brisk but refreshing start. On the way to the TH, (and yes, the road is what it's cracked up to be) we could see strong evidence of fall colors in the canyons and drainages and creek so the excitement built as we got closer to our destination... but not before passing through a herd of deer that had split up (some on each side of the road). And remember Karl, they can't shoot Bambi :) .


The sycamores are HUGE and the leaves were big and turning. This hike starts off with a bang as far as the foilage and then the creek comes into play for quite awhile. I was very pleased as I started sinking into Tibbermode so quickly. The sumac were on fire and in many stages of fall color. The sunlight was hitting them just right and it was hard not to be in awe.

Walking up toward Nelson Spring was interesting. It was flowing substantially and we saw two downed trees that had sizeable leaves growing from their branches. We also noticed several rock walls in this area. And then the creek itself had quite a bit of water. This one area had a couple cool cascades that we had to get photos of and some reflections in the water too.

And then the coup de grace of the hike, though on the way back, the colors were even more intense.... the maples were out in full force :DANCE: and all degrees of color too. We had to get closer so we went off trail to check it out.

Once we hit the Willow Springs intersection, we veered left and soon the guys realized we somehow veered when we should have stayed straight (we all missed it) so we had to backtrack slightly. That's what can happen when you get to gawking. A little ways up this trail we came to some of the more burned section but it was filling in with massive amounts of little pines; in fact too many. It will certainly be a matter of survival of the fittest. Some other trees are also trying to squeeze in. But we all know how greedy pines are about water.

Not too far from the Spring area, we came into another colorful section of the trail with lots of maples in various stages. Here the leaves were much larger that had fallen on the ground so that was nice. We all had to take pictures of each other in this section. We had already done that back at the AZHighways tree.... and we would do it again on the way back cuz the lighting was pretty different.

We had been slowly gaining elevation and though my breathing always get heavier the moment we start any elevation, soon it would start a little more intensely until that last switchback push up to Pine Mtn. It was steep but manageable : rambo : though I stopped twice for about 30 seconds (altho once was to take pics of Humphreys etc). Everyone had hiked ahead of me stopping once to make sure I didn't miss a turn. There is one little false summit before you get to the turn up to Pine Mtn. That is a brief but straight up hike to the summit before you see a giant juniper with golden grass below it.

And as you walk closer to the edge; there it is. THE view :y: ! and more views and more views. Over to your right coming down a mountainside was a see of red too. I have to say those maples photographed much better than they looked. Here we had lunch for about 30 minutes. Kathy brot some great NY apples via their trip to Disneyworld and they were so DELISH! :)

Then it's along the ridge before you start the long haul down on not the best surface (though I originally typed "service" :oplz: ) as it was quite rocky. One of those trail textures that makes you appreciate those smooth city trails. The views are varied due to the burn but there was this one really nice section of junipers that Kathy and I stopped to admire and talk about the burn. You next reach a false bottom not realizing there is still more down. The trail seems to take you down pretty fast and switchbacks are limited.

Eventually (about 2 miles later) and gratefully you reach the Willow Springs intersection where surprisingly (I found this out after loading my route on to HAZ) you still have 700 feet more of down.... but it's over nearly 3 miles. Less than a mile from the intersection, we found ourselves admiring the colors of the trees across (south) Sycamore creek so we went for it. We got up close and personal with the many colored trees :y: and then found ourselves wowed even more as we looked down the bank so we continued and eventually ended up in the dry creek bed. It reminded me very much of Ash Creek Gailuro even though the trees were not as big and as massive. We had a great time making our way down and doing some boulder hopping.

Meanwhile the boys were ahead of us though we knew not where since we continued to admire our surroundings. We did get out of the creek when we found them toward the tail end of the color in the creek bed. Mike pointed out one particularly red maple so I grabbed a photo of that before we continued thinking I finally can come out :pray: of Tibbermode (ya, right!). Well that didn't happen as I could see reflections in the creek and the sun continued to highlight the color of the trees. Oh, we also saw an apple tree.

I noticed the rock walls more this time than I did on the way up. I think because I was taking video I missed the amount of rock walls. We did encounter a nice black angus bull and I jokingly said "well at least we don't have red on".... but both Karl and I had red scarfs. Anyway, there was lots of sumac between us and the bull so I was comfortable with that anyway. The boys pointed out the giant BS along the trail.

We proceeded on though I ended up down at the creek to try and catch some of the glowing reflections :D . It's a pretty steep bank coming out of there so I had to make a bit of a run to get out. Also on the way back we noticed the steep eroded bank that the trail goes on. It is eroding quite a bit so the trail may have to go higher and higher.

Well as you can see, I had another louzy day on the trail.... happens to me so often, ha! We had some beverages at the now pretty much vacant TH before Karl drove us out. It is incredibly scenic though rough ride especially at this time of day. We stopped to pick up a piece of pie (peach in my case) to go. I so enjoy hiking with Kathy (she laughs at all my jokes).

I shot 30 minutes of video but the first one's quality is not the best due to coming in and out of light causing flickering issues off and on. The other two are fine.

Video 1 http://youtu.be/pWfovRpxnZI
Video 2 http://youtu.be/7N7B7Ez49UI
Video 3 http://youtu.be/MztFTOTkmCQ
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Sumac OH MY!, maples, sycamore, oak

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