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Oct 05 2019
joebartels
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49 male
 Joined Nov 20 1996
 Phoenix, AZ
Weaver's Lasso Loop from Peralta, AZ 
Weaver's Lasso Loop from Peralta, AZ
 
Hiking avatar Oct 05 2019
joebartels
Hiking16.30 Miles 3,791 AEG
Hiking16.30 Miles   9 Hrs   7 Mns   2.09 mph
3,791 ft AEG   1 Hour   20 Mns Break20 LBS Pack
 
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Road in is minor washboard, per usual sedans will be fine. First I've noticed the treadle spikes at the horse lot. Main lot was about 40% full, restrooms tolerable.

Cool 60° morning start. The shaded ravine crossings still added to the ambiance. 5+ foot gopher snake at one mile. A couple was reluctant to continue. Semi impressed they took "it's okay" from me, largest I've seen... lol

Fremont Saddle was quiet... eerie. Started down north Peralta and wondered if there was a quicker way to the pine overlook. Right where it felt applicable I scrambled a rock slant and latched into a cairn route within two minutes.

Didn't have a trekking pole to do the Piper Spring test. Considered running through everybody's camp yelling good morning throwing agaves, minus Bob or any campers it lost value. Only a couple twigs of cats claw in the mile south of Piper Spring.

Snack of the day was a couple ounces of seasonal Fall Maple Trail Mix. Damn tasty $2 17oz Great Value from Walmart. Noticed the yogurt chips melting so I enjoyed a walking snack.

Got passed by a friendly tall kid with trekking poles. He yo-yoed taking photos or such and that was it for human life for hours. Lunched 10 miles in under north shade of the boulder at Terrapin Pass with a click of gnats. Healthy sodium enriched cheeto crunch knockoffs and sugar-free strawberry lemonade hit the spot.

Needle Canyon looked like a healthy green bushwhack from above. Lots of dry ripe foxtails on Terrapin.

Switched plans and opted for the Crosscut Route back. Small shallow pools of water along the middle of the route. Without a loaded route I guestimated RS would "switch" off trail alerts from west to east at 0.34 miles. WTH, alone and still losing bets... off trail 0.39 west switched to 0.38 east. A minute later it was 0.25 NE cause it's really a slant. 2/3rds across I took another break at the rock V saddle before it drops hard. Cool breeze on my back from the east was a furnace peeking over the V. Figured breaks were on my side. The longer I dragged increased shade options in Peralta Canyon.

Hit a Zipfizz. Fourth day testing. Thought this one might kick with 12.5 miles under the belt. Nope, tasty placebo, 1 for 4.

Synopsis
Slow paced hike with three long breaks. Upper 80's got toasty, then nice in dabs of shade ending down Peralta Canyon. 8 cars in lot at finish. Carried 3 quarts. Took the last squeeze from my bulb siphon in the final five minutes. Still had a frozen half quart in the last 2 miles, cycled it a few times to melt the ice.
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water report recorded in the field on our app Route Scout The Intrepid thirst monster will find small pools with exploring
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Sep 12 2019
LJW
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25 male
 Joined Jun 02 2019
 Phoenix, AZ
Battleship Mountain - SuperstitionsPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
Hiking avatar Sep 12 2019
LJW
Hiking18.83 Miles 4,056 AEG
Hiking18.83 Miles   6 Hrs   49 Mns   2.98 mph
4,056 ft AEG      30 Mns Break
 
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With the Superstitions opened back up, I wanted to get back on Battleship Mountain and decided to make it a longer loop. From First Water I went clockwise to Battleship and then to Black Top Mesa with a stop at the LaBarge Box, before taking Dutchman back to the trailhead.

Started at 5:20am and was the second car in the lot. Used a headlamp for a mile or two. Was in the dark or shade until I climbed up onto Battleship's back end. Saw a small tarantula on the connector trail between Boulder and LaBarge Canyons. The giant cairns that used to mark where that trail leaves Boulder Canyon are gone.

Only person I saw all day was on the summit. Climbed down and stopped at the LaBarge Box before heading back to Boulder and up to Dutchman. Lots of frogs and soon-to-be frogs in the first few pools in the box.

Took Dutchman to Bull Pass and climbed up to the trail for Black Top Mesa. The spur to the top was in as good condition as any on the day. Summit was breezy, which was a blessing with temperatures rising to around body temperature.

Had to take care to apportion my water on Dutchman. Just about ran out and felt pretty dehydrated. Temps approached 100, but there was a solid breeze the whole trip down Dutchman. Saw a diamondback about two miles from the trailhead that charged at me while I tried to take pictures.

No water in any of the creeks except in Second Water Canyon and the LaBarge Box. Not sure any of it'd be good to drink when filtered.

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Apr 13 2019
DixieFlyer
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 Joined Jan 07 2017
 Fountain Hills,
Miners Needle Loop & Bluff Spring Mtn, AZ 
Miners Needle Loop & Bluff Spring Mtn, AZ
 
Hiking avatar Apr 13 2019
DixieFlyer
Hiking12.40 Miles 2,829 AEG
Hiking12.40 Miles   6 Hrs   2 Mns   2.54 mph
2,829 ft AEG   1 Hour   9 Mns Break
 
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With the weather being relatively cool, I decided to do another hike in the Supes. This hike was basically the Miners Needle Loop with an out-and-back hike to the summit of Bluff Spring Mountain via the Ely-Anderson trail.

We started and ended the hike at the Peralta TH, which is at the end of Peralta Road in Gold Canyon. We did the loop clockwise by going out on the Bluff Springs Trail and coming back on the Dutchman Trail. Just before the Bluff Spring Trail ends at the Dutchman Trail, we made a left on the unsigned Ely-Anderson Trail and took it near the summit; the last 1/4 mile or so the summit was off-trail.

The vegetation on the summit had really grown a lot since I was up here last back in late January. There was lots of fairy duster ane owl clover in bloom up on the mountain. I thought that the views at the summit were awesome, and were better than I remembered them being from my prior trip.

There were lots of flowers still blooming along the hike. Water in the washes is just about gone now though.
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There were lots and lots of flowers blooming, including: Hedgehog cactus, brittlebush, ocotillo, globemallow, owl clover, fairy duster, lupine, dudleya, and others that I can't remember at the moment
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Mar 29 2019
muskybankr
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80 male
 Joined Dec 11 2005
 Phoenix, AZ
Miners Needle LoopPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
Hiking avatar Mar 29 2019
muskybankr
Hiking9.00 Miles 1,750 AEG
Hiking9.00 Miles   4 Hrs   49 Mns   2.28 mph
1,750 ft AEG      52 Mns Break10 LBS Pack
 
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Yet another magnificent day in the Supes and a couple of 80–year olds in our hiking group of six thought they might be able to make it around Miner’s Needle one more time. With apologies to Tennyson, “We are not now the strength which in the old days” sped around Miner’s Needle but we can still creep around it, and creep we did, interrupted at Whiskey Bottle by another Diamondback lying in the bushes, pretty hard to see them camouflaged like that. We took the opportunity, thanks to Tibber and others, to shoot 200 feet up Whiskey Bottle and get a preview of Weaver’s Needle and what I’m guessing was Bluff Springs Mountain. A couple of backpackers we bumped into there sprinted over and ran up Miner’s Summit. Impressive, but that was not on the octogenarian’s agenda today. I had intended to retighten my laces before leaving that pass and the trip down Bluff Springs reminded me that I had forgotten to do that. Black toes tomorrow. Plenty of hikers, plenty of flowers today, although not quite the diversity I was hoping for. We met some youngsters coming off Cave Trail. Very nice to see people making it down that trail on their own power and to see so many others taking advantage of one of the great treasures of our state.
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Plentiful, not a lot of diversity, however.
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Mar 25 2019
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LaBarge Loop from Peralta TH, AZ 
LaBarge Loop from Peralta TH, AZ
 
Hiking avatar Mar 25 2019
ready4water
Hiking18.00 Miles
Hiking18.00 Miles   11 Hrs   30 Mns   1.57 mph
40 LBS Pack
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Labarge Loop from Peralta TH (CW)
18 Miles round trip
11-12 Hours total, with breaks

Water carried was 4L
Map used: National Geographic Map #851

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3/25/19
Day 1 (5.5 hours):
Weather: 85F
Peraltha TH> Peralta 102>Dutchman 104 (East)> Dutchman 104 (North)> Dutchman 104 (East)>Labarge (Camp)

Parked at Peralta TH and signed in to registry. Met Ranger Lou who gave me some tips and even let me borrow a trekking pole. Stepped off from Peralta TH 0945. Within 5 minutes I saw water. As Ranger Lou said, "Everywhere on a map that has a stream will have water". Being my first time in the Supes I don't know if this is normal for this month or due in part to the weather we've had Late 2018-Early 2019. Lots of vegetation and rocks. Definitely bring a trekking pole, if not two. Since I was backpacking solo I'm glad I did use a pole as it gave me added security knowing I was safer in my steps. For the early stages of Peralta trail it is an immediate climb. Lots of stepups, stepdowns, loose rocks, and some switchbacks. At the pace I was going I had burned through 2L of water before reaching Freemont Saddle But with all the water everywhere it was easy to refill. There were a few day hikers headed to the top (Freemont Saddle) all of which took breaks at different times and made comments about the heat. Keep this in mind because if you plan on going during a time when the water isn't flowing plentifully I imagine you would need to a)go when its cooler, b)change your pace, or c)pack more water, because that's just the beginning.

At this point I reached Freemont Saddle and finally saw Weaver's Needle along with a small crowd of day hikers. I made a mental note of this location for a later date to have a picnic or good PT session that isn't as packed as some other places. Great view also to see the expanse of the Superstition Wilderness. I took a quick swig of water and started my way down into Peralta Canyon. This part of the trail seemed to smooth out. More dirt, less rocks, and lots of vegetation. As you head down into the canyon there are some campsites to your right as well as paths to take you to the heavily flowing stream of water running along the trail. Of course you'll get closer to Weaver's Needle which will be on your right which I used as a sort of check point for how far along I was. Once you pass Weaver's Needle you'll begin a slight incline. I met a pack of horse riders that had come in from First Water TH, said hi and moved on. Once you clear the Peralta Trail you'll hit your first junction where you'll want to take Dutchman #104 East. Also at that junction was another flowing stream of water. I finished off my nalgene, refilled, and continued on.

Heading east on Dutchman #104 was short lived, nothing noted from that section.

You'll quickly hit the next junction where you'll want to take Dutchman #104 North. This is where it got interesting. I was quickly shaded by trees, larger boulders, more flowing water and a pond that had some shade next to it. I think I may have seen a camp site too. Either way, it would be a nice place to rehab. Keep heading north and you'll hit another junction where you'll take Dutchman #104 East.

On my map this area is marked as Marsh Valley, but just keep heading east until you hit another junction where again you'll take Dutchman #104 East, which will lead you to La Barge Canyon.

La Barge Canyon has plenty of campsites on the north side of the trail. Most of the campsites had trails that also led down to creek which was flowing heavily. Some campsites are shaded, some are not. I ended up linking up with another group of backpackers and we were the only ones camping out there.

3/26/19
Day 2 (5.5 hours):
Weather: 87F
Labarge (Camp)> Dutchman 104 (East)> Dutchman 104 (South)> Bluff Spring Trail 235 (West)> Bluff Spring Trail 235 (South) Peralta TH

Packed up camp and headed east around 0830. Before entirely leave Labarge you'll come across a stream of water which at the time was ankle deep and was flowing. You'll quickly come to a junction where you'll take Dutchman 104 South. I think within 15 minutes time there was a campsite which was shaded by some trees and along a flowing creek of water. Another good camp site. Once you leave that area you'll be back under the sun meandering up and down the hills. I don't remember much shade afterwards. Trail become rocky again, but nothing crazy. When you hit the next junction, keep riding Dutchman 104 (South). Along the way we passed 2 springs, both of which flowing water. The 1st spring had a big boulder which provided lots of shade. Another good area to rehab. At some point you'll hit a junction where this time you'll take Bluff Springs 235 (West). Same type of trail, dirt and rocks. Shortly after that junction you'll hit another junction where you'll take Bluff Spring 235 (South) which will be the home stretch. You should see weaver's needle, but of course this time you'll be on the SE side of it. Keep heading south as the trail leads you up and down. You'll soon see the Peralta TH parking lot, but what's more interesting is seeing the Peralta 102 trail from this perspective. Make it safely down the hill, sign out of the registry, and enjoy that great feeling of accomplishment.

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Mar 16 2019
bretinthewild
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32 male
 Joined Apr 01 2018
 Phoenix, AZ
Miners Needle LoopPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
Hiking avatar Mar 16 2019
bretinthewild
Hiking9.00 Miles 1,750 AEG
Hiking9.00 Miles   4 Hrs      2.25 mph
1,750 ft AEG
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Took a friend from out of town out into the Superstitions. Parking lots at Peralta TH were very full by 10a when we arrived. Perfect day for a hike. Stopped to check the pipe at Bluff Spring and it is broken -- the pipe is separated maybe 10-15 feet up from where it ends at the buckets. Someone tried to tape it with clear packing tape but it didn't hold so it's flowing out at the broken section. Plenty of water everywhere else, especially on Bluff Spring trail. Lots of backpackers out this weekend.

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Flowing but broken maybe 10-15 ft up from the original end point
Mar 08 2019
KBKB
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57 male
 Joined Apr 22 2012
 Fountain Hills,
Miners Needle LoopPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
Hiking avatar Mar 08 2019
KBKB
Hiking10.13 Miles 1,814 AEG
Hiking10.13 Miles   5 Hrs   42 Mns   2.16 mph
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Marilyn, Marilyn, Sara, Ben, Nick, Mike, and I hiked the Miner's Needle Loop on Friday, the 8th.

This was my first time around this loop. It was a lot more scenic than I expected it to be. It's definitely worth doing.

I added on a bit of distance by hiking a short ways on Whiskey Spring #238 while the others ate lunch. I kept this diversion short, however, because it was cool and somewhat breezy that day and I didn't want the others to get cold waiting for me. As it turns out, I arrived back at the group just as they were finishing lunch. Anyway, I found there to be great views of both the Miner's Needle and Weaver's Needle at the top of the first significant hill while hiking up the Whiskey Spring Trail.

It was still wet out - Bluff Springs was wet in spots, plus we had to cross the water a few times. We found convenient stepping stones for doing so.
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Mar 03 2019
rayhuston
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 Joined Mar 09 2012
 Gilbert, AZ
Marsh Valley LoopPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
Hiking avatar Mar 03 2019
rayhuston
Hiking16.40 Miles 1,840 AEG
Hiking16.40 Miles   7 Hrs   13 Mns   2.44 mph
1,840 ft AEG      29 Mns Break
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1st trip
I expected to see a lot of water on this route today and I was not disappointed. I don't know how many times my feet were soaked during a creek crossing, but it seemed like a couple of dozen. Not a dry creek anywhere. While I have hiked all of these trails before, this is the first time I've hiked this loop.

I hiked this route in a clockwise direction mainly because I didn't want to finish on Second Water. I set out on a nice easy pace, hoping to enjoy the day without setting a time limit. At the first creek crossing, I was rewarded with a nice flow in First Water creek. I knew then that this was going to a good day.

Within the first mile I ran into a couple of guys, Nathaniel and Gage, that I first met while on the way to 5057 a couple of months ago. They were on their way to Battleship Mountain today, so we hiked together until their turnoff to the saddle. Nice guys. We exchanged contact info this time around and plan to hike together soon.

When we reached Boulder Canyon, we all stood in awe at the amount of water in the creek. Nathaniel and I plowed into the water; I knew I was going to get wet soon, so why not now. Gage looked for (and found) a way to rock hop across. He got lucky again the second crossing but that was it. The creek widened, the water got deeper, time to get wet!

We said our goodbyes at their turnoff. I proceeded to the Cavalry trail. While I hiked a portion of this trail once before, starting from La Barge Box before picking up Cavalry in La Barge Canyon, it was not a good day and my recollection is fuzzy. With total clarity today, I found this trail most enjoyable, especially when I dropped down into Marsh Valley with Malapais Mountain looming large to the east.

I stopped for lunch when I reached water again at La Barge canyon. Took my shoes off to let my feet dry in the sunshine while I ate and admired the surroundings.

After lunch, it was on to Dutchman and time to close the loop. The rocky grotto just before the Terrapin was full of water and gushing. Beautiful. At the high point before dropping down the Peralta trail, I ran into a couple of horsemen with six horses, out for a workout. The horses had a nice lather around their flanks. They were definitely getting a workout.

The surprise of the day, for me anyway, was water at Dutchman/Boulder crossing. I've never seen it there. With seven creek crossings remaining on Dutchman as it crisscrosses First Water creek, I took that last opportunity to frolic in the water. Might as well; you never know when you'll see that much water in the creek.

Today was a sensational day in the wilderness.
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Mar 03 2019
KBKB
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 Joined Apr 22 2012
 Fountain Hills,
Barks Lower Canyon LoopPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
Hiking avatar Mar 03 2019
KBKB
Hiking4.50 Miles 900 AEG
Hiking4.50 Miles   5 Hrs   10 Mns   1.10 mph
900 ft AEG   1 Hour   4 Mns Break24 LBS Pack
 
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On Sunday, Marilyn, Nick, and I hiked the Barks Lower Canyon Loop. The route is to take Bluff Springs #235 and then turn south at the first intersection with Barks Canyon. Dutchman Trail #104 is used to return to the trailhead.

Barks Canyon still had a decent amount of flowing water. We hiked through water, but also did some rock hopping as well as the occasional down-climb. The deepest water that I hiked through came to mid-thigh, though it would have been easy to take other paths which would have been deeper. There were a few pools which would have been swimmers had we gone that way. For the most part, route finding was easy. We mostly stayed in the channel of flowing water, but occasionally had to get out to avoid some of the really deep pools.

We all had a lot of fun on this hike.
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Feb 24 2019
Tough_Boots
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 Phoenix, AZ
Black Top MesaPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
Hiking avatar Feb 24 2019
Tough_Boots
Hiking12.30 Miles 2,245 AEG
Hiking12.30 Miles   5 Hrs   44 Mns   2.33 mph
2,245 ft AEG      27 Mns Break
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Great snowy views from Black Top Mesa. Patches of snow down to 2500 ft. There was an insane amount of cars everywhere on First Water Rd. for the drive out-- saw the NFS kindly putting some bright orange stickers on offending parked cars.
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Feb 23 2019
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 Phoenix, AZ
Miners Needle LoopPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
Hiking avatar Feb 23 2019
joebartels
Hiking15.29 Miles 2,673 AEG
Hiking15.29 Miles   8 Hrs   34 Mns   1.95 mph
2,673 ft AEG      44 Mns Break4 LBS Pack
 
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It'd be tough to find somebody that hates snow more than this cowboy. Opportunity knocked. Oh what the hell let's ride this bull.

Crossed Peralta creek without issue, I've seen it worse. Just chilly heading up Bluff Spring cardiac hill. We took it easy so we didn't bust a sweat, then freeze.

Followed huge paw prints joking that it could be a mountain lion. Five minutes later Bruce mentioned, you know there's no other prints along with the monster paw prints... uh, good point!

Got real at Barks Creek. I took a step, slipped, found myself hugging a boulder like a tripod mid creek. Staying dry wasn't an option. Bruce was game to keep going. That we did with wet feet for the rest of the hike.

I was determined to see how far I could go without screaming my head off like a two year old. The option never crossed my mind that it might just be enjoyable. Just a badass456 memorable hike the rest of the way, whodathunk.

Originally planned on hiking up Bluff Spring Mountain to Hidden Valley. Nixed that idea well before the junction, then when we got there I was seriously game to do it. We probably made the right decision and skipped it.

Passed 12-16 on our loop. All ages, solo hikers, runners, backpackers, social media like hunters. Stunning Winter Wonderland views around each corner. Crunchy snow, wet snow, the trail was a creek for large portions too.

We opted to take coffee flat trail over to Dripping Springs. Lunched at Reeds water. Decided to check out the Red Rock in Randolph Canyon. Turned out to be a really short trip, Randolph was raging like a river.

Barkley Basin back to the trailhead is one of my least favorite stretches in the supes. Pretty darn scenic surrounded by snow-capped mountains.

I'll be the first to admit, slightly bewildered this didn't turn into a scream-fest for moi. This was my week to pick. Home run. No pressure on the eagle, just setting the bar for the rest of the year.
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A few freezing poppies on occasion, brittlebush, Asian mustard, blue dicks

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water report recorded in the field on our app Route Scout We're going to assume considering it's surrounded by Lake
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Feb 23 2019
The_Eagle
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 Far NE Phoenix,
Miners Needle LoopPhoenix, AZ
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Hiking avatar Feb 23 2019
The_Eagle
Hiking15.31 Miles 2,965 AEG
Hiking15.31 Miles   8 Hrs   37 Mns   1.94 mph
2,965 ft AEG      43 Mns Break12 LBS Pack
 
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I thought I remembered possibly hearing something on the news about snow....

Joe's week, he gave me a few choices late Friday. This just seemed to be the right thing to do, but not the Joe thing to do. Joe, suggesting a snow hike? Knowing his proclivity to snow, I quickly assumed someone had stolen his HAZ account and was just messin' with me.

On the road to the Peralta TH, if I remember correctly, were four running washes you have to cross. Only one got my windshield wet driving through. There were actually a few cars in the lot with open spaces available as we started just before 7am.

We did a clockwise loop climbing up Bluff Springs trail to begin. With a 32ish degree start, it got you warmed up. The snow got deeper as we went and we were hoping to get out of the shade to warm up. [ youtube video ]

At the first tester of a crossing, Joe was nice enough to lay flat on his stomach, on a rock, in the middle of the heavily flowing Barks Canyon, creating a bridge for me to cross. I declined and we both walked across the calf deep water with wet feet for the rest of the day. [ youtube video ] This was just the first of many chances to get your feet wet.

The Supes are an entirely different place with all that snow. I took way too many photos on the day, but I may never see anything like this again... here.

We had plans to hit up the Ely Anderson to the top of Bluff Spring Mountain, but cold feet (literally) and deeper snow, had us nix that idea prior to getting there.

More great view when we got to the saddle by Miners Needle. The feet had warmed up and we'd decided to add on a trip to Reed's Water / Randolph Canyon to check thing out. On the way there, everything that could be running with water, was running with water.

Joe made the comment "Just think, in exactly 4 months from now, it will actually be the hottest time of the year." From 32 to 115 degrees, that's Arizona.

Just past Reeds Water, the Coffee Flat Trail was a river...
[ youtube video ]

Epic day in the Supes

If I hear anyone ask for a water report in the supes, for at least the next month, the answer is yes. I don't care where it is for, everything is running.

The Lot was full when we left
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Some Poppies, Lupine, Blue Dicks and brittle bush poking out of the snow

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friendofThunde
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 AZ
Bluff Spring Mountain LoopPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
Hiking avatar Feb 23 2019
friendofThundergod
Hiking16.00 Miles 3,000 AEG
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I decided to give a complimentary premium tour (with a 30 waterfall guarantee) of the western Supes to a small group of lucky hikers on Saturday. The tour was a hit and we just met the guaranteed waterfall count with 31 waterfalls.

There is no shortage of water in the Supes. The major creeks were flowing, every side drainage was flowing, and the trail was trickling along in most spots at about 5-10 cfs. As expected, La Barge was absolutely raging. In fact, one crossing required a little bit of human chain action and we lost Blanco in the swift current. He narrowly, but calmly missed going down a little cascade of boulders that might have led to a pretty bad day for him. The hike got cold towards the end and the snow got crunchy. We were all happy to be back to the warm car, after hiking about 7 miles in wet pants and wet footwear without the presence of the sun.

Overall, we did not run into many hikers or backpackers. Charlebois had no backpackers and the premium spots along La Barge were all empty, which I assume was due to the high crossings. I really do not think there are too many better hiking options than the western Supes when there is water and snow like this.

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John9L
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Bluff Spring Mountain LoopPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
Hiking avatar Feb 23 2019
John9L
Hiking16.00 Miles 3,000 AEG
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Met up with Lee, Carrie and my friend Laura for a fun filled day in the Supes. The area received a ton of snow the previous two days and we wanted to enjoy the conditions. Lee had wrestling practice in the morning so we started relatively late at 11:30am. The good thing, this gave the sun some time to melt the snow. We started from the Peralta overflow lot and headed up and signed the register at a very busy trailhead and started hiking up the Bluff Spring Trail.

The first two miles went really well. The lower mile had no snow at all while the rest of the trail was wet and mostly clear of snow. The rest of the generally area was covered. We had some wet crossings in Barks Canyon and connected onto the Terrapin Trail. Everyone felt good and conditions were fine so we decided to start the loop around Bluff Spring Mountain. The rest of the hike along Terrapin was smooth sailing. The trail was wet and surrounded by snow as we neared Terrapin Pass. From there the trail drops down and the lower elevation had no snow at all. It was like it didn't snow over here at all. We cruised to Charlebois & took a short lunch.

After Charlebois, things got interesting. We had at least 4-5 wet crossings that ranged from knee to thigh deep. A couple of them had fast moving water that was a bit dicey. At one point, Lee carried Chloe across and Blanco followed. He was swept about 15 feet down current but was able to get just enough footing to cross. My heart dropped for a brief moment when the current fist took him away. The rest of us were able to safely cross. By the last crossing, we're cold & wet and the sun was starting to set. From La Barge Spring, we pretty much put our heads down and cruised south for the next few miles.

We connected back onto the Bluff Springs Trail as dusk set in. We kept moving and had to walk through flowing ankle deep water several times. By this point all of us are done and want to get back to the vehicle. We also noticed the snow was becoming crunchy because it was refreezing with the temps dropping. The last 1-2 miles were completed with our headlamps and we were all glad to get back to the 4Runner at 7:40pm. Lee cranked the heat and we made the drive home.

This was an amazing hike! By far one of my most memorable in the Supes. Thanks Lee for guiding and showing off some sweet waterfalls. If the Supes were like this all winter, they would be a national park. On a side note, Route Scout cut out at least five times while hiking. I'm sorry to say I might stop using it.
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Dutchman Trail #104Phoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
Hiking avatar Feb 17 2019
wallyfrack
Hiking6.70 Miles 669 AEG
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A trip up the Dutchman to look around. There is water but not as much as there is farther in the Supes. A few muddy spots to hike around and several hikers out enjoying the cool weather.
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Feb 16 2019
joebartels
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 Phoenix, AZ
Hackberry - Prospector - Baby Willow Loop, AZ 
Hackberry - Prospector - Baby Willow Loop, AZ
 
Hiking avatar Feb 16 2019
joebartels
Hiking17.54 Miles 2,650 AEG
Hiking17.54 Miles   7 Hrs   30 Mns   2.40 mph
2,650 ft AEG      12 Mns Break5 LBS Pack
 
1st trip
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Bruce opted for three low key loops.

1) Hackberry Spring Loop
You can polish off this little gem in several ways. Appears some are adamant in declaring a portion as official Hackberry Spring Trail. Signage is nice. Not convinced it's official. No trail number, pressed/treated 4x4 posts, two signs on each posts, no mention on the FS site.

We explored a couple extra areas... babbling not paying attention.

2) Prospectors Trail #57
B and I have needed this trail to finish off the [ Area Leaderboard: Superstition Wilderness Trails ]
Worked it into a Praying Hands Loop from Crosscut TH.

Expected it to be the least desirable. Think it easily tops Lost Goldmine Trail #60. There are no bad trails in the Supes, some just seriously rock.

My first hike around the Praying Hands. As expected, tourist city. Unanticipated... wow, been missing out.

3) Baby Willow Loop
High yield adventure to mileage.

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Darn near perfect puffy cloud blue skies at times made this collection of little hikes outstanding for stretches.
D, thx for the Bama pie!

Note, you can almost combine our 1st & 3rd hike w/ [ Needle Double Vista ]
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The_Eagle
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 Far NE Phoenix,
Garden Valley - Hackberry Spring Loop, AZ 
Garden Valley - Hackberry Spring Loop, AZ
 
Hiking avatar Feb 16 2019
The_Eagle
Hiking6.95 Miles 1,031 AEG
Hiking6.95 Miles   2 Hrs   58 Mns   2.36 mph
1,031 ft AEG      1 Min Break12 LBS Pack
 
1st trip
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1 of 3 on the day
Started out just before first sunrise to a cool, cloudy, breezy morning.

This hike does have some real good scenery, but tends to be popular. There were 15 or so Boy Scouts at Hackberry Spring camped on the trail. We took a few side excursions on the way back to the TH. We started running into more people a mile or so out from the Horse Lot TH.

Got guests in from town, the shorter Hackberry Spring loop is a good sampler.
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Bluff Spring Mountain LoopPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
Backpack avatar Feb 16 2019
hanmart
Backpack14.80 Miles 2,748 AEG
Backpack14.80 Miles2 Days         
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What a great weekend of backpacking! I don't think I've ever seen so much water in the Superstitions. My group of 4 started from Peralta Trailhead onto Bluff Springs on Saturday morning, making it up Cardiac Hill in pretty good time. We saw water flowing down the trail in a few spots and knew we were in for a lovely trip. Tons of water at the bottom of Barks Canyon. Then we headed up Terrapin, which we wanted to revisit because our first experience of it was on our first ever backpacking trip — a hot and cloudless day in which that trail felt endless. I highly recommend coming down, not up, this one! Views were awesome with lots of big clouds, some of them looking a little stormy but never quite intersecting our path. We then headed onto Dutchman #104, a stretch that was new to us. We intended to scope out Charlebois and then camp farther on but in the end we peeked around and then missed the turnoff for it. :lol: Oh well, we'll see it next time.

So far, none of the creek crossings were anything to sweat. Not so on the next 7. The first, just past Charlebois was the widest bit of water I've ever seen in the Superstitions. We all had opted to leave our camp shoes behind to allow for warmer layers (we reasoned we would be too cold to wear our sandals at camp) which we realized was a big mistake. We ended up crossing this creek, and the next few, barefoot. :scared: It was cold but the sharp rocks were worse. Some of the crossings were deeper than you could see bottom of, others had strong currents. And all of them had some stepping stones, but nothing anywhere near resembling a path you could hop across. Sometimes looking across to where the cairn showed the trail picked back up was just hilarious. :) Lesson learned. We found a great campsite on this stretch and warmed up with hot food and some strong cocktails after over 9 miles of hiking and negotiating cold creek crossings. We were beat.

Sunday morning hike out was beautiful. We were worried we would see rain but it was a really nice day. We finished Dutchman back over to Bluff Springs. In the crook of Barks Canyon, on the way out, there is a little cairn and trail leading up...anyone know where that goes? Anyway, we continued up out and in good time, still enjoying all the water along the way and the views up on the bluffs. I added a couple water reports. Unfortunately we had to switch between devices on the way and some data got lost. But basically, it's all flowing. Almost all the creek beds we walked through had flow. :lol: Really great trip overall.

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Lots of flowing water!

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Charlebois from First Water THPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
Hiking avatar Feb 09 2019
John9L
Hiking16.70 Miles 2,490 AEG
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Headed out for a solo hike into the Supes. This was a straightforward hike as I hiked in on the Dutchman Trail and connected over Bull Pass. I chatted it up with a group of 15 woman that were part of an REI Adventures trip. They were on a multi-day trip and were heading for Second Water. I wanted to ask how much they paid but I bit my tongue. From there I connected to Charlebois. There were three guys with two dogs packing up to leave. One of the dogs ran up to me and nipped me on the back of the leg. I was not happy. It just barely broke the skin so I didn't make a big deal of things. I took a quick glance at Charlebois and headed back the way I came. I had a short lunch break on the Bull Pass Trail overlooking Boulder Canyon. From there, I went with the most direct route and cruised back up Dutchman. I was done by mid-afternoon and home soon after. This was a nice and quick hike. The Supes never disappoint.
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Feb 09 2019
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 Phoenix, AZ
Red Tanks Backpacking Loop, AZ 
Red Tanks Backpacking Loop, AZ
 
Backpack avatar Feb 09 2019
emilystardust
Backpack22.90 Miles
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1st trip
Dutchman to Coffee Flat to Red Tanks to Whiskey Spring and back out Dutchman. Challenging route for me on the first day but trying to get better at backpacking. Definitely need to lighten up my gear. I went with a nice group of people, just fast 😂
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