username
X
password
register
for free!
help
GuidesRoutes
 
Photosets
 
 Comments
triplogs   photosets   labels comments more
Brown's Cave - 5 members in 10 triplogs have rated this an average 3.6 ( 1 to 5 best )
10 triplogs
  All Months
10 Triplogs
Jan
0
Feb
0
Mar
0
Apr
1
May
0
Jun
0
Jul
0
Aug
0
Sep
0
Oct
0
Nov
2
Dec
7
 
Apr 25 2015
topohiker
avatar

 Guides 14
 Routes 113
 Photos 4,567
 Triplogs 2,331

male
 Joined Oct 29 2005
 Scottsdale, AZ
Brown's CavePhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
Hiking avatar Apr 25 2015
topohiker
Hiking25.32 Miles 4,829 AEG
Hiking25.32 Miles   14 Hrs   40 Mns   2.43 mph
4,829 ft AEG   4 Hrs   15 Mns Break
 
1st trip
Partners partners
fan3992
Fan and I went from the Cottonwood TH to Browns Cave.

Lower Soldier Trail
It took a minute to figure the start of the trail, but once we did there was cairns to lead you all the way to FR401.
Along the way to the Cane's spring TH, we stopped at the shack.

Alder Creek Trail
The trail started out as an old road and was very easy to follow. When the trail hit the Long canyon, we stayed in the canyon
until the trail pulled away. Then we bushwhacked over the trail. There been some recent trail maintenance until you hit the
Crabtree cabin. It took us a couple of minutes to figure out how to get to the cabin. There was a sign-in board at the cabin.
Fan & I were the first people to represent HAZ. There was quite a bit of Crabtree relatives visiting the cabin.
The route finding was a little more challenging past the cabin.

The Jungle aka "Brown Cave"
We lost the trail as we approached the descent into Alder Creek. We found two stone walls leading down to the creek.
Then we had to fight the jungle to get to the Creek. When got the creek Fan was done. The plan was to
go to the Cave then have lunch at the river /lake. Fan didn't want the fight anymore jungle, so I went on alone.

Beyond the jungle
I pushed through the jungle and walked right past Brown's Cave and continued on down the creek. For a stretch the water went underground.
I made to the 10 foot waterfall then stopped. The sky clouded up and the wind started to blow.
It looked like the 20% chance of rain was going to hit. I didn't have any Jedi masters to talk me into
climb down and up the waterfalls, so I turned around.

The trip back
The temps dropped fast as we headed back. This time we took the trail instead of going in Long creek.
The trail was easy to follow and mostly free of vegetation. As we started to climb out, the rain started.
It poured pretty hard for about 10 minutes, then it backed off. It rained for the last 4 hours of the hike.
We made it to the shed at Cane's Spring in time to put on the headlamps. We took FR401 all the way back to the Jeep.
Along the we saw an abandoned quad-runner. As we approached the Jeep the rain started to dump on us.

The road out
I was concerned about driving out with 4+ hours of rain. The road was slick but I didn't have any major issues getting out.
The Jeep did fishtailed in a couple of spots.


](*,) Items that are MIA in the Jungle ](*,)
- HAZ-tracks android phone (good thing it was only $29.99)
- gators
- GPS Lithium ION rechargeable battery

This is a cool area to explorer. The terrain is slow moving and you should have a GPS route to get to alder creek.
I had long pants with gators and the a couple of Foxtails still managed to get in my socks!

I want to go back to take Long canyon to the river.
_____________________
"Everywhere is walking distance...If you have the time"
-Stephen Wright
2 archives
Dec 07 2008
Grasshopper
avatar

 Guides 47
 Routes 487
 Photos 8,980
 Triplogs 551

76 male
 Joined Dec 28 2006
 Scottsdale, AZ
Brown's CavePhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
Hiking avatar Dec 07 2008
Grasshopper
Hiking6.70 Miles 1,900 AEG
Hiking6.70 Miles   5 Hrs   5 Mns   1.32 mph
1,900 ft AEG
 no routesno photosets
1st trip
Linked none no linked trail guides
Partners partners
HAZ - Event
joebartels
JoelHazelton
nonot
Randal_Schulhauser
skatchkins
This very remote, pristine, and seldom hiked area of the Four Peaks Wilderness is a pretty special place!

Now having been exposed to this area twice, first on 11/12/08 for a scouting trip/hike to check-out the serious 4x4 FR401 road conditions for the timing required to access the Cane Springs TH, and my second visit this day on 12/7 for the planned HAZ group hike to Brown's Cave and beyond. It was clear to me after the 11/12 scouting trip that to hike any significant miles exploring this area in December as a day hike was going to take a very early start with a planned long day. Since I am not good with early starts for the 12/7 HAZ planned 4:30am meeting time, Randal S. and I decided to meet at Shea/Hwy 87 at 6:45am for the slow 3.0hr drive in my Jeep to the Cane Springs TH. Our plan was to hike the Brown's Cave Trail(Adler TR#82) to the old Adams Camp location 3.5mls in for some exploring and a lunch turn around spot, then head back to the intersection of Adler TR/Long Canyon(3.2mls in) to await the earlier HAZ Group (Nonot,skatchkins,& Joe B.) arrival from Apache Lake, coming up Long Canyon.

Joe's group had started the hike in at ~6:30am, 3.5hrs ahead of Randal and me. Joe had recommended anyone hiking this seldom used trail to download his GPS Track. A very good thing that I decided to do it too, because if I had not done so, Randal and I would probably still be roaming the countryside out there! :) Of the recent hikes I have done since June'08 owning a GPS, this is the only one that I actually needed to "hand-hold" the unit for navigation for almost the entire hike both going in and coming back out. With some roaming off trail, some great pic opportunities, and a nice buck(Randal has the pics!), by 12:30pm we reached the exit point in Long Canyon where the Adler TR takes off to the Adams Camp. We were concerned about the few daylight hours left and our known need to navigate back to the TH. We knew that we did not want to be caught out here after dark, so we decided to give ourselves a couple extra safety hours of hiking and postpone our intended plan to hike to the old Adams Camp. We departed our Long Canyon stopping point at 1pm and arrive back at the Cane Springs TH at 3:10pm with enough time to explore the old Cane Springs ranch site with a large tin-wood floor shed, and numerous cattle corrals. We looked for signs of a windmill, but only found an in-ground water pipe leading into the dense brushy areas with not enough time to explore more. Joe and group arrived back safely around 3:45pm after having hiked all the way down and back Adler Creek/Canyon to Apache Lake. We all discussed the days' adventures and then headed-out for our rough-slow 4x4 drive back.. Another fun and amAZing day! :D
_____________________
(Outside.. "there is No Place Like It!!")
Dec 07 2008
Randal_Schulhauser
avatar

 Guides 71
 Routes 98
 Photos 9,967
 Triplogs 1,009

61 male
 Joined May 14 2003
 Ahwatukee, AZ
Brown's CavePhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
Hiking avatar Dec 07 2008
Randal_Schulhauser
Hiking7.38 Miles 2,115 AEG
Hiking7.38 Miles   5 Hrs   15 Mns   1.41 mph
2,115 ft AEG
 no routes
1st trip
Linked none no linked trail guides
Partners partners
HAZ - Event
Grasshopper
joebartels
JoelHazelton
nonot
skatchkins
Not quite to Brown's Cave via FR401 and Alder Trail #82


Received an email from Grasshopper (Hank) late last week indicating he had an open seat on a HAZ outing to Brown's Cave;

Grasshopper's (Hank) Plan
Here is my plan for Sunday: I will arrive the Cane Springs TH at ~10am (you guys should have been hiking for ~3hrs by then). I will plan to hike down your route (the Adler TR#82) to end my hike at the old Adams Camp for a late lunch stop, then head back up the Adler TR to its intersection with Long Canyon where I will stop here to await your group arrival. IF I am not at this intersection when you arrive, don't wait there for me. IF you guys or I are running late arriving at this Adler TR/Long Canyon intersection, my plan will be to depart A/R so as to arrive back at the Cane Springs TH before dark.

Your loop hike should make for some great memories/pics and trip logs and then the fun 4x4 out to top off the night!


http://hikearizona.com/dex2/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=3601&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=40


Hank's always a privilege to hike with and a cool guy to boot, so we arranged to meet at the Wendy's near Shea and Hwy 87 early Sunday morning and we were off...

This was a 4WD trek and hike "Into the Wild" - an area totally unknown to me except for some comments from some off-roading friends that FR401 can be "pretty wicked".

Hank and I arrived at the abandoned ranch near the Cane Spring TH 10-ish parking beside Skatchkin's (Mike) and set off to locate the group led by Joe Bartels. With a 3 hour head start, where (if???) our paths would cross would be more of a matter of chance rather than an inevitability.

We were armed with Hank's GPS route downloaded from the HAZ Brown's Cave hike description. This proved invaluable as the trail disappeared into a tangle of cat's claw after Seven-Tenth's Junction. We startled a good sized buck in the un-named canyon before the Saddle. We got off trail and climbed up to the "false saddle" before we realized our target was the next saddle to the north. No problem - treated to some impressive views of the Four Peaks Wilderness from this vantage point...

A quick scurry over to the proper Saddle and we were beginning the descent of the ridgeline into Long Canyon. This ridgeline showed evidence of a major burn some years age.

When we entered Long Canyon, boulder hopping was the name of the game. The terrain within the canyon reminded me of White Canyon - lot's of water sculpted limestone. Located a series of mini-caves (we dubbed them Brown's Mini-Caves) before we came to the Adam's Camp/Long Canyon junction. This was marked with a Watermelon Gatoraid just a Hank expected...

As the 1 o'clock hour approached, we agreed this was our turnaround time and headed back to the Cane Spring TH. Made great time and explored the abandoned ranch waiting for the early trekkers to return.

Soon heard a strange galloping sound and started to explore the source expecting to see another large buck come bounding through the bushes - nope, it was Joe Bartels speeding back to the TH just to say hello.

Believe it or not this was the first time Joe and I have met face-to-face. Good to finally meet Joe along with nonot (Steve) and skatchkins (Mike). Kicking myself for not taking that group shot back at the trailhead. Oh well, next time...
Fauna
Fauna
Mule Deer
_____________________
Dec 07 2008
joebartels
avatar

 Guides 245
 Routes 837
 Photos 12,313
 Triplogs 4,967

51 male
 Joined Nov 20 1996
 Phoenix, AZ
Brown's CavePhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
Hiking avatar Dec 07 2008
joebartels
Hiking13.00 Miles 2,650 AEG
Hiking13.00 Miles   10 Hrs      1.30 mph
2,650 ft AEG
 
Linked none no linked trail guides
Partners partners
HAZ - Event
Grasshopper
nonot
Randal_Schulhauser
skatchkins
Headed out at 6:20 with Michael and Steve into the seldom traveled southern portion of the Four Peaks Wilderness. The morning weather was warmer than expected. Unfortunately I left my hiking pants in Tyler's 4runner last winter and we haven't crossed paths yet. The next quick option was my thermal pants for sub freezing off trail travel. This proved exhausting. I couldn't move freely as the crotch is cut low to allow them to be worn over jeans and such. Not to mention I felt like an easy bake oven on simmer with no vents. The good news being they plowed through catclaw effortlessly!

The sunrise flirted with our imagination before the light quickly turned to mortuary mode for the remainder of the hike. We did the posted hike to Brown's Cave. On route Michael found a ruin like Preston finds pottery. Instead of "you're stepping on it", it's "your starring at it". It was almost embarrassing as I've passed them twice in the past. He actually discovered them checking out a fold in the sandstone. It wasn't until the return trip we realized you can clearly see them from the trail. However they're only in view for about ten steps when you're concentrating on the rocks in the creek.

Next we headed down Alder Creek to the beach at Apache Lake in the Painted Cliffs. This is an interesting canyon with a slow running creek. The highlight of the trip was an unexpected 20 foot (give or take) waterfall in a gnarly sculptured section of the creek.

At first glance I didn't think I could make the climb down. My initial decision was heavily biased on the fact a rope was present. Going on Michael's logic "commit or quit" I took a stab at it. It turned out to be rather easy and definitely worth seeing from below. Next it was down to the beach where the desert kisses the lake. Hopes of looping back through Long Canyon where pretty much abandoned at the waterfall. So we headed back on charted territory. I still think it's possible in a short December light day but will probably never attempt the loop. An out-n-back down Long Canyon seems to be the safest option.

Autumn didn't seem as progressed as my previous trip 4 years ago on Dec 11th.

On the return we found a note from Hank that he and Randal had headed back to the trailhead. I wasn't aware Randal was on this trip. I've yet to have had the opportunity to meet the great Schulhauser. After missing the man by an hour or so two years ago I decided I better jump on the opportunity. Once we hit the base of the ridge I ripped off the shackle thermal wear and kicked it into wallygear. Back at the trailhead Hank and Randal were waiting patiently. Discovering the waterfall and meeting the great Schulhauser made this bleak overcast trip one to remember. Thanks to Michael Rock Andretti Jr and "Thoughtful Hank" for making this one possible, it's very much appreciated!
Geology
Geology
Unidentified Geology
_____________________
- joe
Dec 07 2008
nonot
avatar

 Guides 98
 Routes 249
 Photos 2,067
 Triplogs 495

male
 Joined Nov 18 2005
 Phoenix, AZ
Brown's CavePhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
Hiking avatar Dec 07 2008
nonot
Hiking15.00 Miles 2,650 AEG
Hiking15.00 Miles   9 Hrs   30 Mns   1.58 mph
2,650 ft AEG
 
1st trip
Partners partners
HAZ - Event
Grasshopper
joebartels
JoelHazelton
Randal_Schulhauser
skatchkins
This was a fun trip with Joe and Mike. I hadn't seen Joe since our death march through Sedona and had never met Mike before. I woke up at 2:58AM in order to meet Joe in time. We were quickly on our way and found Mike camped out along the road. We hopped in his truck and managed to bounce our way to the trailhead, you need a good 4x4 going in and a better one for getting back out!

We started in the dark with headlamps but the sun rose quickly enough. It was nice enough to stay behind clouds the whole day making for some great hiking weather. After realizing there was no trail to speak of, we scrambled our way through the brush in the general direction we needed to go. After going down a steep ridge we hopped into a wash and began following that. I was having a great time jumping down canyon when I realize I've left the other two behind and overshot my turnoff by a half mile! After a few utterances I run back upcanyon in time to catch the other two and bushwhack over a shortcut (not) to see them. From there the trail is mildly pleasant with some cool rock formations caused by the winds including many alcoves and a mini grand-tetons slickrock formation, like giant stalagmites rising from the open ground, very cool.

We checked out Adams camp on the way and arrived at Brown's non-cave (dynamited shut). We ate lunch and proceeded down canyon. We briefly stopped to ponder downclimbing a 20-25 foot waterfall and once we got to the bottom realized it was nothing that should have caused any apprehension. We made it to the lake as a boat high tailed it out of there, probably thinking we were wandering sasquatches or something.

We decided not to climb up, down, and up to do a Long Canyon loop. On the way out we actually found most parts of the trail and made much better time. At the designated meeting point we found the note left by Hank and Randal an hour earlier. Climbing the ridge Joe put it in overdrive and left us in the dust. We caught up to him at the trailhead and exchanged war stories a bit with Hank and Randal before we set off. Somehow we managed to make the whole road out in about an hour and 10 minutes to 87, including time picking up some trash. If I tried that in my car I would have been left with pieces of metal no bigger than a grapefruit!

Mike, it was great to hike with you, thanks for driving! Randal, great to finally shake hands with you in person, thanks for the gummy worms :D Joe and Hank, great seeing you guys again!

dry Cane Spring Dry Dry
No water was flowing 500 feet downstream in the creekbed, did not investigate the actual spring.
_____________________
http://hikearizona.com/garmin_maps.php

Hike Arizona it is full of sharp, pointy, ankle-twisting, HAZmaster crushing ROCKS!!
Hike Arizona it is full of sharp, pointy, shin-stabbing, skin-shredding plants!
Hike Arizona it is full of striking, biting, stabbing, venomous wildlife!
Dec 07 2008
skatchkins
avatar

 Guides 2
 Routes 22
 Photos 3,278
 Triplogs 222

43 male
 Joined Dec 22 2007
 Mesa, AZ
Brown's CavePhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
Hiking avatar Dec 07 2008
skatchkins
Hiking13.00 Miles 2,115 AEG
Hiking13.00 Miles
2,115 ft AEG
 no routesno photosets
1st trip
Linked none no linked trail guides
Partners partners
HAZ - Event
Grasshopper
joebartels
JoelHazelton
nonot
Randal_Schulhauser
Got recruited for this trip and couldn't pass up the opportunity to meet a few HAZ'ers in person, especially Joe (who for some reason requested being called Pappa Bartels from here on out). It turned out only being three instead of around 15 but that's cool since I generally just don't like people.
The trip fell on a friend's birthday weekend so I had been out the night before at the Saguaro coves with my Jeep guys. At about 1:30am I drove out and headed over to the 4 Peaks turn off and towards Cottonwood Camp. I parked above and sleeping bagged it under the stars until the meeting time of 4:30.
When PB and Steve got there we rolled on down into the wash and began the tedious 401 4wd trek. The air down helped, as did the early morning darkness that blanketed the view of the fall if tires should find themselves misplaced. After an hour plus of what can be only described as riding a roller coaster equipped with square wheels while dragging an anchor though the dead of night, we arrived at the trailhead.
Headlamps and backpacks went on and we began hiking the well visible trail. Ironically, by the time the sun came up, the trail had disappeared. Cleaning up the language a bit, PB said, "Only pansies hike in a straight line," so we played find the 60yr old cairn until I lost over a hundred bucks to Steve and we finally made it into Long Canyon.
The rock hopping was fun in the canyon and the wall structures and hollows were cool. Being the avid holeophile (for lack of a worse word) that I am, I tried s'ploring the extracurricular canyon areas along the way. None of the little "caves" offered much, but one ridge climb actually produced a small ruin area. A couple deteriorated walls and some names carved in plaster was all to be found.
Shortly after the discovery, we hiked out and over to Adam's Camp. It looked like the guy did have a nice little set up. Whoever his visitors had been in the past, it seemed the custom was to remove their shoes (possible after being hatcheted to death) and leave Peach Schnapps and Vodka. I won't say that Joe's not funny when he's drunk, but you get the picture.
After that it was more "route finding" until Alder Canyon. We did find some interesting smoothed over rock structures rising from the ground but Steve and PB couldn't agree on whether the spot should be called Petite Tetons, or Nippalopolis and I didn't want to play tie breaker.
Alder Canyon was actually quite pretty. After lunch at Brown's Let's-blow-it-up-because-it's-way-too-accessible-and-easy-to-find-and-thus-dangerous-Cave, we rock hopped under a few still changing leaves down the still flowing stream. We came upon a neat 25ish foot water fall and hiked down below it. While there was a pretty large hollow beneath it, wading over and under didn't yield anything other than a nice up close look at the cascade and hypothermia. We reached the lake a short time later, touched the water, explored the cove, then turned it around for the trip out.
Route finding was easier and faster on the way out but I still ended up feeding the thorns just as much with my short sleeves. Yes I could've unrolled my sleeves but screw-em right? Plus PB said there'd be a manhood showing back at the vehicle and I was really hoping I had interpreted that right.
Everything was cool until we got to the 700ft incline out of LC and my flatland knees did what they always do. I could usually still see Steve but of course "you know who" just had to make it a race.
Finally catching up to Steve, we made it back to the vehicle and met Hank and Randall who had most likely been by my calculations (and by the beautiful handmade sweater PB was now wearing), chatting with PB for somewhere in excess of an hour. After we got introduced and caught up, we piled back in the Xterra and drove out. Judging by the rock shelves, the now visible road/sky boundaries, and the bobblehead in the backseat, the road was tougher going up and out, but we made ok time to the pavement. Wendy's at Fountain Hills was celebrated by all.

Sincerely thanks again Joe and Steve, I had a good time and my arms, truck paint, and your pictures prove it to those who merely watch instead of doing.
_____________________
May he guide you through the wilderness : protect you through the storm;
May he bring you home rejoicing : at the wonders he has shown you;
Armchair Crisis Design
Nov 12 2008
Grasshopper
avatar

 Guides 47
 Routes 487
 Photos 8,980
 Triplogs 551

76 male
 Joined Dec 28 2006
 Scottsdale, AZ
Hell's Hip Pocket RidgePhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
Hiking avatar Nov 12 2008
Grasshopper
Hiking8.80 Miles 2,470 AEG
Hiking8.80 Miles   6 Hrs   45 Mns   1.30 mph
2,470 ft AEG
 
no photosets
1st trip
Linked linked
Partners partners
joebartels
This was a "3 in 1" hiking day to a very remote and seldom visited section of the Four Peaks Wilderness:
+1.. a serious 4x4 trip going in and even more so coming out;
+1.. a trip to the ZOO;
+1.. a special hiking experience in this mystery section of the Four Peaks Wild;

Regarding our 4x4 drive in and out, there will be more discussions on this topic via the present & active HAZ forum thread for the upcoming Brown's Cave hike on 12/7. I think that Joe will soon add some additional comments regarding the 12/7 trip requirements but just let me now say that for our ride today in my highly modified Jeep with a 7" lift, 35x12.50 BFG All Terrains aired down to 15psi, and fully-locked diffs front and back with 488x1 diff. gearing- for the last 6.2ml section of FR401 to Cane Springs TH it took us 2.5 hrs to 4x4 in and took ~3.0hrs to 4x4 out and this amount of time was for just one very capable vehicle having no problems come up and not with a group of various vehicles going in and coming out. Just out of curiosity I checked the Tonto NF Recreation Page write-up for the Cane Springs TH, and it says "A 4WD vehicle is required to reach this trailhead, but travel is not recommended for any type of vehicle" :lol:

I knew we were in a very remote and seldom visited area of the wilderness to hike when the day was done and we could recount the number of varied wildlife we encounted on our 6+ hour hike & drive. We saw two cardinals, 3 deer, numerous bunnies, 1 snake, 2-3 foxes, and a family of ~12 javalina(the BIG daddy almost took-out Joe, but I saved him, but Joe won't ever admit it!) [-( ..

I am sure glad that Joe knew where we were and where to lead us on this mostly off-trail hike as I was totally at awe in this pristine and remote area of Four Peaks. It truly was worth the effort to get here and to be able to experience such a lovely, seldom unexplored place only 30 miles away from the Phoenix area. We started hiking in on the Adler TR#82(the same trail for the hike to Brown's Cave), but there are also two other trails in the immediate area of Cane Springs TH- the Cane Springs TR#77 and the Lower Soldier TR#84. Much more to explore here and Browns Cave hike to look forward to on Dec 7th!
_____________________
(Outside.. "there is No Place Like It!!")
Dec 09 2004
joebartels
avatar

 Guides 245
 Routes 837
 Photos 12,313
 Triplogs 4,967

51 male
 Joined Nov 20 1996
 Phoenix, AZ
Brown's CavePhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
Hiking avatar Dec 09 2004
joebartels
Hiking10.20 Miles 2,115 AEG
Hiking10.20 Miles   7 Hrs   10 Mns   1.42 mph
2,115 ft AEG
 
Linked none no linked trail guides
Partners partners
Fritzski
The Salt River Cooridor has offered up some outstanding hikes this year. I feel fortunate to have experienced yet another fine outting.
Flora
Flora
Ocotillo Saguaro
Fauna
Fauna
Dog
_____________________
- joe
Dec 09 2004
Fritzski
avatar

 Guides 43
 Photos 597
 Triplogs 59

68 male
 Joined Feb 04 2002
 Gilbert, AZ
Brown's CavePhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
Hiking avatar Dec 09 2004
Fritzski
Hiking9.60 Miles 2,115 AEG
Hiking9.60 Miles   9 Hrs      1.07 mph
2,115 ft AEG
 no routesno photosets
1st trip
Linked none no linked trail guides
Partners partners
joebartels
This was a really great hike. Lots of "lunar landscape" type stuff along the way. The canyon itself is really awesome. Like a Garden of Eden where you enter, just a little too crowded. Just south of the cave(NOT!) it opens up nicely and begs to be further explored.

I would guess the cave, or probably more appropriately the mine shaft was dynamited shut quite a while ago. We only learned about that fact the day before we went.

I'm just not sure about Joe's idea of a "really good trail":o That's how he sold the idea. I should have considered this came from a guy who probably hasn't done an on-trail hike in about a year!

We joked about the fact that there always seems to be a cairn where the trail is obvious, but never where you need them. All joking aside, those cairns were absolutely essential even with GPS. The trail is so unused that it really isn't so overgrown as just faded out. It seems to be a very old trail with ancient FS water diverters here and there, and many nice 2' tall cairns that are sometimes completely engulfed by a bush and very hard to spot.

The 4X4 drive in doesn't seem so bad, but getting back out will test your metal - and your vehicle's!
_____________________
Nov 22 2003
mttgilbert
avatar

 Guides 5
 Photos 47
 Triplogs 240

41 male
 Joined Oct 14 2002
 Denver, CO
Brown's CavePhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
Kayak avatar Nov 22 2003
mttgilbert
Kayak11.50 Miles
Kayak11.50 Miles   4 Hrs   11 Mns   2.75 mph
 no routesno photosets
1st trip
Linked none no linked trail guides
Partners none no partners
This was a combination Kayak/Hiking expedition with azhiker96. We were trying to find massacre (browns) cave north of apache lake. Since George had a two man kayak we decided it would easier to paddle there than to hike the 10 or 15 miles over land (I'm not so sure about that now) We paddled aprroximately four miles. There and back (8 miles paddling all together). When we got there in the morning it must have been about 45 degrees and the wind was whipping down the canyon, naturally the wettest part of the trip was in the first 30 minutes so I was moderately damp the rest of the time. Fortunatly once we got oriented in the right direction the wind was to our backs and we were sailing down the lake. Once we got to the right cove we stashed the kayak behind some rocks, peeled off the polypro and started up the canyon. The first 200 yards of it or so were pretty heavily travelled but once we got to the first "climb" the footprints started to thin out. The climb itself was relatively easy, but someone saw fit to install a handline anyway. We came to a split in the canyon and decided to each go 5-10 min up either side, meet back at the junction and compare. I had been told by AK (thanks Aaron) that the cave wsa shortly after the split in the canyon, so we knew we were close. I found a cairn up my side of the canyon and went back, where we decided that my side was probably the right one. But where we met (a little ways up the other side of the split) we found another cairn. This led to the discovery of a neat little draw off the canyon. No cave but some nice views of the surrounding areas. From there we headed further up the canyon we were in and found a low saddle from which we could scurry down into the other canyon (the one we should have taken). We never did find that cave though, according to the GPS we walked right through it, but I never saw it. The paddling back in took about twice the time as going out. the wind was against us on the way back. I can't wait to go back and find that cave. There was enough back there that I could easily spend 2-3 days just putzing around, and with more time I could check out the south side of four peaks.
_____________________
Cogito ergo ambulo cum sacculo
-Matt Gilbert
average hiking speed 1.62 mph

WARNING! Hiking and outdoor related sports can be dangerous. Be responsible and prepare for the trip. Study the area you are entering and plan accordingly. Dress for the current and unexpected weather changes. Take plenty of water. Never go alone. Make an itinerary with your plan(s), route(s), destination(s) and expected return time. Give your itinerary to trusted family and/or friends.

help comment issue
embroidered

HAZ Patch

end of page marker