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Apr 13 2019
joebartels
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JF Trail to Tortilla PassPhoenix, AZ
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Hiking18.95 Miles 3,115 AEG
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Bruce suggested JF as an out-n-back for years. Only familiar with the NW and SE ends I quickly changed the conversation.

2017
2017 wrote:Bruce suggested JefF out-n-back. Meh... do I know you? He came back with this loop...
A hardy loop I, I... I enjoyed. Unexpectedly found out views along the 2 miles NW of Tortilla Pass were as good as my favorites.

2019
Apprehensively suggested this 19 mi out-n-back that includes 3.1 mi along FR213. Expected the verbal whip. Nice guy responded okay let's do it.

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The road walk is what is. Senic, still a road. Kudos to thurman for hitting it twice in 7 days, my inspiration for a revisit.

A quarter mile or more of JF #106 is ankle buster rocks. They don't phase me, just a heads up for Y-Bar haters. After bonkers abundant Scorpionweed around the Valley it was a pleasant surprise to see abundant Wild Heliotrope. Which is blue, lacks scorpion curl and rancid drift.

We took a stab at the 0.2 mi offtrail adventure to Clover Spring. Seriously, who doesn't love a good spring hunt. Beats the hell out of hunting down geotrash. Threw in the towel after two yards nagged by catclaw. Further reading at home... Out of 7 reports, maybe 1 made the journey to check it. Catclaw was not horrible, just a great excuse to move on.

A mile or two of trail with painful looking vegetation on both sides keeps the mini prayers rolling. From the eagle's nest on is 2.3 sweet scenic miles. Also the middle of nowhere so there is minor near and dear vegetation dodging. Not a deterrent in my opinion. Love the nearby and distant mountains, this is Arizona!

Small pools near the origin of Tortilla Creek. Lunched at Tortilla Saddle. Nice views.

Nothing overly exciting on the return. I need to bust out bigger hikes. This easy out-n-back was stinging more than it should midway back.

A rattlesnake outta nowhere on trail-left took a strike and missed me. Jumping back to the right Bruce screamed. Scared me good. First I've jumped mid jump. No photo, no proof... I know the rules. Figured it was best to not press my luck. Forever etched in my mind in slow motion like a scene from the matrix. Rattle, calm jump, figure eight twisting pretzel mid air, scream from behind, mid air compounded fear jump, thoat of beast, world's largest snake hovering back, beast landed, slithered into brush. Got lucky.

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1st hike in about six months carrying a camelbak again. Consumed 3.3 quarts. Love the fanny pack but need more water as it warms up. 614 miles on Salomon Yellow Wings Flyte 2 - 2018, thinking 700 easy. Sure I just jinxed it.
Bruce keeps asking for the term for an arch entrance to a ranch. Looked. I'm going with Ranch Entrance. A guy in a forum suggest Ranch Head Gate. Never heard that nor 1 matching google image. Related but a "headgate" is a framework designed to hold still the heads of cattle for various procedures.
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Lots of Wild Heliotrope and small daisy types. Fair variety of others.

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JF Trail to Tortilla PassPhoenix, AZ
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Hiking18.95 Miles 3,115 AEG
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We just had to hit up the Superstitions before the Orb made things to warm for the rest of the season.

Driving in, just past Canyon lake, two tricked out BMW's passed me like I was standing still. I kept up with them for almost 4 feet. This is the second time this has happened to me on this road. Knowing they'd be turning around at the dirt, I carefully approached the sharp corners. The lead car got a bit sideways coming around a corner when he saw me on the return.

The road walk in does afford some good views and is a great, OK, good, warm up for a hike.

After last weeks warm temps and high winds, I expected things to be dried out. Not the case. The grasses are still green and Tortilla Creek was still flowing. I did not expect many flowers at all, but they were abundant.

JF is a bit overgrown but easily navigated. Give it a few more weeks and the Foxtail will be murderous.

At one point, about half way up, Joe remembered he brought Trimmers and made the trail at least 60% better while we hiked up.

The exciting nerve racking part of the hike, was on the return, about a half mile before hitting the wilderness boundary.

We were chattin' away, on a halfway decent section trail, maybe calve deep grass. From the left side of the trail, outta nowhere, a rather large DBack lunged at Joe. It probably struck out about 18"-24". Joe reacted by jumping and twisting to the right, landing luckily between two patches of Prickly Pear. It missed him by 12". This snake never rattled until it hit the ground after the strike at Joe.

20 minutes later, we encountered a large Kingsnake stretched across the road. This boy would not move. We snuck around him and had an uneventful remainder of the hike.

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CannondaleKid
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Peak 3856 - Iron Mountain Quad, AZ 
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Planned to hit three peaks from the Woodbury TH but I forgot the CamelBak bladder in fridge so with it expected to hit 100+ I just bagged the closest peak instead.
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JF Trail to Tortilla PassPhoenix, AZ
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Peak 5067 was on my list just for the views of the south side of White Mountain. There is a legendary ruin up there but at this point it seems to be just a legend. The route up 5067 was pretty easy with a little brush to push through at the start and then again near the top. The views are nice and it was interesting to see how Rogers Canyon, Fish Creek and Goat Canyon connect. For a moment I consider hiking up Peak 4765 but the terrain looked a bit rough so maybe next time. On the hike out I talked to a hunter who asked me if there was a trail up there. :lol: I told him no but the terrain isn't bad. On the way out I jumped on the ridge to the west of the trail to look for ruins. I found one small ruin with a few sherds but nothing good. I started hiking about 8:30 am and was surprised that it wasn't very cold out there. Just another nice hike on an open trail.
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JF Trail to Tortilla PassPhoenix, AZ
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Went on this hike with Bob, part of the trail is starting to get overgrown and obscure.
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JF Trail to Tortilla PassPhoenix, AZ
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Went out to Tortilla Pass scouting areas we want to do some overnight camping. Last time Roger and I backpacked in to Reavis Ranch we carried 38 lbs., enough of this we said, but here comes Rick, he says only 20 lbs. or so. I'll put him to the test Monday as we're going down Peters Trail and over to Charlebois and spend the night.. Stay Tuned .. Back to this hike, we declawed and deneedled the Agave plants and generally cleaned up the trail, after the 1st 3 miles I told Rick, we'd better leave the rest of the last 4 miles for another day or we'll never get back before dark ( TH at 6 PM ). This portion really does need a crew out there as it is really over grown in places.
As mentioned before the 1st couple of miles reminds me of the grazing land in Western Nebraska ( Go Big Red ) not very interesting, but once you get past this area it really opens up into a great hike !!! 8) Starting to see flowers and bushes put on their show, only seen one little poppy off the trail :cry: Passed by a Trio of hikes going out to the Tortilla Well and other then that, the whole Trail was ours except for 1 black cardinal and one Gecko
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I'm calling this the "other" Tortilla Superloop, or maybe the super-duper loop. Clockwise from the Tortilla trailhead: south on JF > west on Woodbury and Coffee Flat > north on Red Tanks and Hoolie Bacon. Trails are all in pretty decent shape. Mountain biked between Hwy 88 and the trailhead.

Ran into the FOTG backpacking crew of six (4 bipeds and 2 quadrupeds) as they were headed north on JF. Later on Hoolie I ran into another backpacking group, one of whom was a gal I worked with a few years ago. Small world.

Water conditions going clockwise:
JF is dry until it crosses the creek in Randolph Canyon near the southern end. Pretty good flow.
CF going down (west) in Fraser Canyon - increasing intermittent trickles to good flow.
RT has plenty of water in the lower (south) canyon, decreasing as you go north.
HB has lots of water where it crosses Tortilla Creek.
There are isolated pools in many places, mostly scuzzy.
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I took the dogs for a three day walk Christmas morning. Our walk started at the Woodbury trailhead and ended at the Woodbury TH two days later. I did not rush to get to the TH and enjoyed a nice Christmas breakfast before I left the valley. We only had about an 8 mile hike to complete the first day in order to set up our day two off-trail trek down Fish Creek canyon to the Tortilla TH area. Fish Creek canyon ended up not playing out, however, we still enjoyed three nice days in some of my favorite areas of the Supes.

Got to camp no problem on day one. Even with the late start I still had several hours of daylight at the campsite. It was this time that I realized I had brought the tent poles for my Big Agnes SL2, but had brought my Fly Creek Platinum tent. Ugh! Not the end of the world, but a minor hurdle. It was not exactly as bad as fitting a round peg into a square hole, but a challenge nonetheless. It annoyed my severely when I found out, but I kind of relished the little challenge it created and made the most of it. I had a relatively upright tent with an awkwardly fitting rain fly, but still more comfort than the open ground and air. A really cold night coupled with dealing drying out damp gear from condensation and the thawing out of everything else, led to a later start Saturday morning.

I knew from the amount of water flowing along Frog Tanks that water could ultimately derail my trip down Fish Creek. It was simply too cold to be getting overly wet and the sun too unreliable too commit to any type of semi-aquatic hike. Nevertheless, we set off down the dark canyon at around 9:30 in the morning. Through not that much effort I was able to make it relatively dry to about a half mile in where the water starts to funnel into a flat rock section. I had read about this in Nonot's description and knew it would be my biggest obstacle of the day. Initially, I was fooled into thinking a thigh deep wade across the first flat rock was all I needed to get through the section. However, as soon as I put my shoes, pants and socks back on I realized very shortly that I had not come to the deep pool obstacle yet. In the end, the pool was simply too deep to go through in those temps/conditions. I went back to the pool three times and contemplated several things, for example, could I even swim in water that cold? Could I could hold my pack above my head and tread across? Would the dogs even follow me? I could see the bypass clearly that Nonot wrote of, but it was too nasty for the pups. I watched Blanco take a pretty good fall on Newman earlier in the week and with that fresh in my mind was being more cautious than usual. Besides I figured the alternative of miles of terrific hiking in some of my favorite areas was not that bad and I could return in warmer weather. The decision was made, back to Frog Tanks and to the Ranch.

Pretty standard Frog Tanks hiking to the ranch, a tad overgrown in spots and it could probably use a little maintenance, but same old Frog Tanks to me. In terms of maintenance, I can report that there is no longer any prickly pear blocking the trail to a width of less than Blanco and his pack. I took a couple of spines to the foot, but put a considerable dent in the prickly pear over-growth problem along that trail. Camped at the saddle like a tourist, but I will admit I have always wanted to camp there and figured this would be one of those rare times when one could do it and expect solitude. It was super windy, like maybe borderline dangerous windy and equally as cold, but worth it. Although, the moon was like sleeping with a spot light on my tent and I was surprised that I could clearly see some urban area off in the distance. This aside, I still loved the spot, great sunset, great sunrise and it beat the ranch which was bitterly cold and covered in shade when I had went through there earlier in the day. The high winds led to zero condensation and a dry final morning, but like an Antarctica dry final morning, with water so frozen I could not enjoy it until nearly 11 and dog/cooking water that I slept with freezing within minutes of being outside the tent. It took a little will-power just to get out of the tent Sunday morning, but with some quick packing we were on the trail before nine.

There was a group at the ruins, a solo backpacker at Angel Basin and I passed three who were doing the exact same lasso loop I had just completed. I gave them a heads up on conditions and a couple camping suggestions. The final two miles or so might as well been an entirely different hike with short sleeve, short temps and the dogs seeking the water along the JF for a quick dip.

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Enough water at the area marked Hole Spring on my GPS to dive headfirst into. Entire drainage is running significantly

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Area marked spring is full, flowing water from about two-three tenths from saddle to ranch

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Entire creek is flowing nicely.
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Fish Creek Cyn - Bridge to Roger's CanyonGlobe, AZ
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I drove to the upper Totilla Trailhead. The major obstacle on the road has been worked on. The deep holes have been filled with rocks and concrete. It also looks like some of the rocks may have been chiseled but that could just repeated trailer hitch, bumper, rocker panel etc. I didn't get as much of the usual adrenaline from driving in but you never feel like your done with a hike until you get back down to the lower trailhead.

We got an early start shortly after 7am headed up JF trail. This is my first time on this trail. The first 4 miles of the trail steadily climbs along the high ridges eventually providing better and better views. This part of the trail is kind of uninteresting to me but the route was efficient. I seemed to enjoy the later brushier section on the last mile or two before Tortilla pass. In Angel basin we spotted several places with litter, especially toilet paper. Is it that hard to bury it? Further down Frog Tanks there was a huge pile of horseman's trash including an ice chest lid. We found the rest of the ice chest about 3 miles downstream in Fish Creek with bear damage. We saw some huge bear droppings both in the canyon and on JF trail.
I have a newly acquired GPS that and I don't know how reliable the distance/elevation is. I checked my GPS at the pass and it said 6.5 miles. According to Bruce Grubbs' Backpacking Arizona guide book, it was supposed to be 5.2 miles. By the time we made it to the end of Frog Tanks trail my GPS said 10.4 miles but the guidebook said it should have been 8.4. When the trip was over my GPS said 18.4 miles, the guidebook said 13.7. I don't know which is right, if either.
My son twisted his ankle on Frog Tanks trail re-aggravating the ankle from last week's Mazatzal Peak trip. I was starting to think this was going to be more difficult than I planned for and I started getting concerned about entering the canyon. We figured we were closer to the truck and who wants to turn around anyway.
Rock hopping in the canyon took it's toll and my son's ankle kept giving out. Even though we had about 7 hours of daylight left when we entered the canyon, I was worried about the prospect of an unplanned night in the canyon because I knew that with no moon and storms in the forecast we had better not get caught down there.
The route down Fish Creek was not as difficult as I had expected. The wash is wide and the low water level made it reasonably easy to travel.
It didn't take long to get to the pool with no sane way around it. We didn't even consider going around. I wrapped my pack in a garbage bag and swam through. The water was a bit swampy but not as bad as further down the canyon. Some of the puddles further down smelled bad and were borderline disgusting. There were only three occasions where I had to get hip-deep in the water. We ended up trudging through the puddles if they had a gravel bottom but avoiding the rocks in the water because they were as slick as ice. That's not good with a sprained ankle.
We were making poor time in our progress and I knew we better keep going and there was no time to rest a sore ankle. It started raining and it was strike two because the rocks that had the dried out slime coating turned out to be just as slick as the ones at the bottom of the pools we avoided. It seemed to be just enough rain to keep the rocks wet but not a downpour by any means.
We were quickly squandering all those hours of daylight we woke up early for but when we finally broke around the corner of Lost Dutch Canyon there was enough light to get a visual glimpse of our route out of the canyon. I was pleasantly surprised to see there was a dim but marked trail and there was hope for us but it was getting dark, really dark. Headlamps on we left the canyon and followed the trail as long as we could and next thing you know we are in pitch dark in the Superstitions with no trail. It's time for a crash course on GPS navigation. I figured out enough to get us back to the JF trail but that new-fangled contraption is so complicated. I hate it but I love it because I got to go home that night.
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Not as much as expected. Occasional flowers, cactus blooms and Palo Verde.

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Sizeable pool at the spring area but no flow.

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Isolated pools. No trickle.
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I expected it to be sunny and it was... for 15 minutes, then mostly cloudy up to Tortilla Pass.
Steady drizzle from Tortilla Pass for the next mile.
Very cool breeze (~50°) and rain from where I left the JF Trail to the summit.
A few tiny hailstones and more rain at the summit.
Slowly turning back to mostly cloudy for a while.
Partly cloudy by time I headed down from Tortilla Pass.
PC and sunny off-and-on most of the return leg to Woodbury TH.

Highlight/lowlight? of the hike...
At the pass I caught up to two backpacking old-timers who planned on a two-night stay... one had been trimming brush from the trail but leaving the trimmings/thorns on the trail. [-X

I thanked him for doing the trimming and added "it would be even more helpful to drop the brush off the trail, preferably down-slope so others don't get caught on it" to which he replied "They'll learn!"
Ok then... :--:

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Fish Creek Cyn - Bridge to Roger's CanyonGlobe, AZ
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This was a loop hike my wife Kathleen and I did from the 2WD Tortilla Trailhead to the JF Trail to Tortilla Pass then up Rogers Canyon Trail, stopping to camp for the night just north of Angel Basin along Frog Tanks, then in the morning up to the ruins, back north on Frog Tanks, departing Frog Tanks at the junction with Fish Creek, through Fish Creek to the exit trail at Lost Dutch Canyon, back onto FR 213 and the trailhead. Very special thanks to Vaporman, wallyfrack, and nonot for their descriptions of this loop – so, so helpful to hear what other folks encountered before venturing into new territory (even if the particulars of their triplogs escaped me when I needed them most!)

This was a Valentine’s Day hike. (Last Valentine’s we camped in Lower LaBarge Box.) We’ve had the ruins on the list forever, but the lack of 4WD made it a challenge. We looked at renting a 4WD vehicle for the weekend ($200?) then talked ourselves into this 20+ mile loop from the 2WD Tortilla Trailhead. Glad we did it. Beautiful sections throughout. Amazing to see the desert change incrementally moving west to east across this central portion of the Supes. I will say, though, that given the weight of our gear (we packed water in too) and the tremendous amount of water in the creeks right now, this was a real humdinger.

Sunny, breezy day. Got to the trailhead late morning. Lot of cars at trailhead (nobody parked at 4WD trailhead). Met a nice guy at 2WD trailhead, Jeff from Brooklyn, who got in from Brooklyn that morning. He'd never been to Arizona (let alone the Supes) and had randomly decided on the Hoolie Bacon trail for an overnighter. Cracked us up! Hoolie Bacon? Ran into some more friendly folks along FR 213 and also a rattler in the middle of the road (disconcerting as we’d hiked Hog Canyon the week before, just tromping along through the tall grass thinking the snakes weren’t out yet – :scared: yipes). The rattler hissed and slid out of our way. Nice snake. Reached 4WD trailhead. Peter’s Trail caught our eye.

JF trail was tougher than expected with camping gear, exposed to the sun. Took a lunch break after ascending the first ridge beneath a lone tree with a fire ring on the ground. Kept going. JF wouldn’t quit. Finally made it to Tortilla Pass with a few hours of sunlight. Caught Rogers Canyon and took it to Angel Basin where we saw the first people we’d seen since 213. We’d planned on camping in Angel Basin but there were two nice dudes already there, so we headed north along the creek in Rogers Canyon and improvised a nice spot along the sandy shore. Sound of flowing water. Plenty of firewood. Also the views of the Rogers Canyon cliffs are magnificent – plenty of alcoves and ruin-looking walls to keep you busy just staring from your campsite. Would love to spend some time checking things out here, climbing around. Rogers Canyon: better than expected. Rogers Canyon: a view in every direction. Hit the hay. Sound of the creek was sweet.

Woke and headed for the ruins. Three other camping parties in the Angel Basin area (one in the Basin, two just south). Gorgeous camping just south of Angel Basin. I think my favorite part of the ruins was looking onto the beauty of Rogers Canyon from the ruins (large trees, vegetation, high canyon walls, the creek visible to the south and west) and feeling like I understood why the ruins had been built in that exact spot. Who knows. We had fun. Back to camp, north along the gorgeous Frog Tanks Trail (immaculate between Angel Basin and the junction with Fish Creek – guess it gets a bit hairy north of Fish Creek/Rough Canyon). Take that back – it would have been immaculate if it weren’t for that gigantic heap of garbage. :o Looked to us like someone left a cache of goods somewhere near the trail and an animal got to it. Just loads of stuff torn up all in one spot. But besides the trash heap Rogers Canyon north of Angel Basin was incredible. Again – so many cliffs and caves you could explore around here. (Rough Canyon caught our eye too.) Several campsites near the Fish Creek/Rough Canyon entry had us wanting to stay another night – elevated benches on west side of the creek covered in green grass surrounded by big trees. Rogers Canyon: more than ruins.

Fish Creek from Frog Tanks to Lost Dutch was a legit wilderness challenge that day. Took us somewhere in the vicinity of six hours. There was so much water in Fish Creek Canyon that stepping stones weren’t always available, and traveling on either side of the creek was cat claw misery. Both of us got stopped and yanked back by cat claw just so, so many times – we couldn’t help leaving the creek from time to time because of all the water.

Then we hit the famed “pool that needs to be bypassed,” which Vaporman and others have mentioned, but I misremembered their triplogs and thought that the north side of the creek was the side that afforded a bypass (also the north side just looked like a more feasible route ](*,) ), so we went up the dry waterfall on the north side, then kept going up the slick rock above the waterfall (none of this is advisable obviously unless you’re looking to crap your pants), holding shallow handholds to get to the top of that little ridge to the north, at which point I saw that the other side was a sheer drop. Went slowly back down. Wife suggested swimming. I hate swimming. Wasn’t prepared to swim. But we didn’t want to turn around, and it was a pretty hot day, so in we went, crazy dog paddling our way across. Deeper and colder than expected. Over our heads in the middle. Ice cold. Slimy getting out. Then my wife saw her Nalgene still on the other side! (She plunked back in, swam to go get it and swam back.) Our gear actually stayed really dry in our packs, and our backpacks actually seemed to float a bit. :y: Got all our stuff back on and kept going.

Fish Creek was just unrelenting. We got battered, man. Fell a few times apiece. Got our boots/pants wet dozens of times. The dilemma of “several steps in the creek vs. vicious bushwhack on the bank” presented itself innumerable times and there wasn't ever a good choice. Don’t get me wrong – I don’t regret doing it (my wife doesn’t either). I’d do Fish Creek again given the choice of Fish Creek vs. a return on the JF. The solitude and beauty of Fish Creek were way more than enough to make it worth doing (the flowing creek, the breeze, the crazy-looking caves) but we were hurting pretty bad by the time we got to Lost Dutch Canyon – and running out of daylight (it struck me about 3:30 that we were one time-consuming Fish Creek obstacle from having to spend another night out there). Finally about five we made it to the point where Fish Creek bends hard to the north. We were looking for the exit trail up Lost Dutch, traveling in the southern-most part of the creek, and our relief was tremendous when we saw the giant cairn marking the exit trail. Took the exit trail up, so thankful to not be in Fish Creek just then. Lost Dutch trail was well-cairned and easy enough to follow even in the fading light. Came out basically within sight of the 4WD trailhead. Hiked 213 during sunset. Didn’t quite make it out before dark. Got lost on 213 just before 2WD trailhead in dark. Put on headlamps. Used GPS. Made it! Drove back to Mesa. Had beers.

Over dinner Kathleen says: "I feel like I'm still in Fish Creek."
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Dec 20 2014
friendofThunde
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 AZ
Central Supes Loop, AZ 
Central Supes Loop, AZ
 
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friendofThundergod
Backpack38.77 Miles 7,645 AEG
Backpack38.77 Miles
7,645 ft AEG
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This was just a nice relaxing three day back pack to kick off my holiday break. I went in Bluff Springs at Peralta to the Dutchman, Peter's Trail and Tortilla TH, back JF to Woodbury, and Coffee Flats across to Dutchman and completion of loop at Peralta.

On day one I hiked in with Jim but detoured to summit Bluff Mountain with Chumley and some of his most loyal followers. The trails were littered with HAZers, met one in parking lot who was very happy to finally meet Blanco and Cup. Then I ran into hikerdw and his son as is custom with most of my Supes hikes. It was nice to finally summit Bluff Mountain. The views were great and the weather proved nearly perfect. I said my good bye to the slackpackers and headed for my first nights camp, near Charlebois. I generally just relaxed most of the day, caught up with Jim, read a bunch and went to bed pretty early.

I left camp a little later then I should of but I was in no real rush Saturday, nor had any concrete plans. Peter's Trail has certainly seen better days. JF seemed like a highway after Peters, camped near Mullin Spring with some minor exploring in the area planned for day three before heading back to TH. It got real cold on the second night. The water in dog's dishes froze all my gear had a heavy frost/ice coating in morning and my leaky air mattress were no match for myself, Cupcake and half of Blanco; the ground got very cold very fast.

I had more ambitious plans for the final day, but they would have been pretty rough on Cup and I need her ready to go back out by Wed. So I opted for the leisurely exit via Coffee Flats Trail and the very scenic Fraser and Randolph Canyons. One can't go wrong with Randolph and Fraser Canyons this time of year, very scenic. I did do some early morning exploring of the headwaters of Tortilla Creek and Mullin Spring. Very tough going in spots, no big finds, but intrigued by area.
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Kane Spring

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significant pools and small flow in area marked as Clover Spring

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water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water 4 out of 5 Kane Spring Gallon + per minute Gallon + per minute
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Feb 09 2013
BobP
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57 male
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 Scottsdale, AZ
JF Trail to Tortilla PassPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
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BobP
Hiking7.07 Miles 2,073 AEG
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I think those involved on this hike were expecting a pm to postpone due to weather. The forecast called for rain and the snow level was predicted at 4k. The snow level was 3.5k and it rained on the drive in but it only snowed while we hiked. We were planning on going to La Barge Mountain but I don't really like the cold and snow so when we got to the saddle I wussed out and we decided to have a fire and snowball fight :y: . We talked about going to Rogers and again I decided it was too far and too cold. Twas a fun day with a great group. As a great general once said...The best luck of all is the luck you make for yourself.
He also said....I came out of Bataan and I shall return!.... I will return to La Barge again and check out the tunnel and balcony. Thanks to Wally, Denny and Glenda for a fun day.
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Feb 09 2013
Tortoise_Hiker
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58 male
 Joined Apr 02 2005
 Mesa, AZ
JF Trail to Tortilla PassPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
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Hiking7.07 Miles 2,073 AEG
Hiking7.07 Miles   4 Hrs   4 Mns   1.74 mph
2,073 ft AEG
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Bob was nice enough to lead us on a hike and drive us there too. :).We got lucky and the rain stopped by the time we got there buttttt what was the white stuff :o. Being a Desert rat It's always cool for me to see the snow on the cacti! Nice hike and views.The weather seemed to change minute to minute.When we were at the saddle and at the point to go off trail it was snowing,cold and our feet were wet.Wally and Bob started a fire to warm us up.That was kinda cool.I can't let Bob take the blame....It was me that whined to go back to the car.When we get back to the car the weather was a lot better but you just never know :?. Another fun day in the Supes.It was nice to met and hike with Glenda,and Bob and Wally are always a sure bet for a fun hike.Don't turn your back on them in the snow :o. Good times. :y:
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Jan 19 2013
friendofThunde
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JF Trail #106Phoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
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Hiking18.70 Miles 3,926 AEG
Hiking18.70 Miles
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1st trip
JF Ranch Trail was technically the start of my HAZ life.

I was doing a very unspectacular Tortilla to Angel Basin over-night and taking advantage of the MLK hoiday when I met two people at Angel Basin who encouraged me to join this thing called HAZ. To this day I can't remember their screen names or real names, however, I know they were doing some trail maintenance on Frog Tanks that day, camped at Angel Basin and it was a man and woman.

Nevertheless, I went home created an account, probably made an ass of myself a few times on forum, went into lurking mode for several months and finally started posting in November.

Oh I am also working on catching up my links, I want my red dot in Supes ;)
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Dec 28 2012
mazatzal
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 Scottsdale, AZ
La Barge Mountain 5077Globe, AZ
Globe, AZ
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mazatzal
Hiking9.50 Miles 2,958 AEG
Hiking9.50 Miles   7 Hrs   20 Mns   1.78 mph
2,958 ft AEG   2 Hrs    Break
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This one has been on the"list" for a while. Bob and I were comparing ideas and came up with this as our destination. It delivered for me - I love bagging new hikes within < 2 hours.
Joe's tunnel and balcony find and the summit were 8) It was great to hike with Bob and Teva again and to meet Mike.
Bob was supposed to demo his MB but we both forgot :doh: Thanks for the beer - wow does that taste good at the end of a hike, :y:
Thanks guys.
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Nov 17 2012
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43 male
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 Phoenix, AZ
JF Trail to Tortilla PassPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
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Hiking12.00 Miles 2,700 AEG
Hiking12.00 Miles   7 Hrs      1.71 mph
2,700 ft AEG
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I hiked from tortilla trailhead to tortilla pass along JF trail. The drive in to the 4x4 trailhead was a first for me, as I did not previously have a vehicle that I thought could make it. The first section of the road (1/4 mile or so) is the worst by far. My stock 4dr wrangler (32" tires) made it without issue, except one little scrub on the way back down.

The trail itself was as the description, not very remarkable. It is somewhat overgrown in parts. Nothing too serious, except for a short segment before getting to the pass that required pushing through tall brush. For about 1-2 miles near the middle, the trail fades in and out. It can be a little tricky to follow in this section.
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 Gold Canyon, AZ
JF Trail to Tortilla PassPhoenix, AZ
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Hiking12.00 Miles 2,700 AEG
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A few hunters around. Never heard a shot. Theres not many bucks left out there.
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Feb 26 2011
hikerdw
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 Mesa,AZ
JF Trail to Tortilla PassPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
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Hiking19.10 Miles 2,700 AEG
Hiking19.10 Miles   8 Hrs   29 Mns   2.25 mph
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This was our longest day hike to date, in/out hike to Tortilla Pass from the parking area off SR88. Cool and windy at times but a great hike. Crossed paths with a packer at the Clover Spring area on the way out, otherwise we had the trail to ourselves. We wanted to check out LDM jr. on the return but ran short of time so figured we will hit it on the next trip. Ankles are a little sore this morning but not too bad. Next mile target is now at 20 :)
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Dec 04 2010
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 SLC, Utah
Fish Creek Cyn - Bridge to Roger's CanyonGlobe, AZ
Globe, AZ
Canyoneering avatar Dec 04 2010
Vaporman
Canyoneering22.50 Miles 2,500 AEG
Canyoneering22.50 Miles1 Day   4 Hrs      
2,500 ft AEG
Basic Canyoneering - Scrambling; easy climbing/downclimbing; frequent hand use; rope recommended; easy exit
A - Dry or little water; shallow or avoidable water; no wet/dry suit
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Tortilla TH along FR213 to Tortilla Ranch to JF trail to Tortilla Pass to Angel Basin down Rogers Canyon to upper Fish Creek Canyon down to Lost Dutch Canyon over to Tortilla Ranch and back along FR213 to Tortilla TH :sweat:

Such a sweet loop in the rugged & less visited north central Supes! :y: I'd almost forgotten how much I feel in love with the many canyons in this area and was again blown away with the rugged beauty of it all on the drive & hike in & out. :o It was exactly a year ago that I first did this loop with some other HAZ guys and unfortunately we got rained on pretty good that second day but I enjoyed the loop enough that I'd been itching to re-hike it when winter came back around. This hike was also the only time I met GPSjoe & friends and was reflecting on what a pleasant encounter that was when I passed that section. ;)

Worked that Saturday morning so hit the TH that afternoon and made quick work of FR213 though sections of that JF trail are almost returned to nature. :? I stayed on course for the most part with some light thorny bushwhacking though some sections had me briefly stop in my tracks and question where the trail went before pushing on... Great views of Supes Ridgeline off in the distance and Tortilla Mt had me longing to soon hike those as well. I rolled into Tortilla Pass just in time around sunset and setup camp for the evening. Since I was solo, a warm night & just an overnighter, I choose to forgo a fire or tent and just slept under the stars and played iPhone games while star gazing through the LONG evening. :)

Slept in a bit the next morning so quickly broke camp and hit that brushy Rogers Canyon trail down to Rogers Canyon and found some clean pools to snag a couple liters from. Once down in Rogers Canyon, I dropped my pack and hiked upstream to Angel Basin to check out those cool ruins again before heading back downstream. Lower Rogers Canyon is always a treat to hike thru and even moreso with all the Fall colors. :D Hit the confluence with Fish Creek Canyon and began the long rock hop. After passing a couple pools, I hit the sweet 'narrows' section that was lightly flowing & full of water though it wasn't quite warm enough for a swim so I did the class 3 bypass on the left which is much easier when it's dry. :GB: The geology of this canyon is quite amazing but after loads & loads of rock hopping that exit trail at Lost Dutch Canyon is a welcome relief. :sweat: Plus I didn't have enough daylight to push on to the bridge. Put the gloves back on and took that thorny route up & back over to Tortilla Ranch and was able to catch another beautiful sunset while hiking out on FR213. :D

Sweet! Other than at the TH along AZ88, I didn't see another soul the whole time while out hiking. :DANCE:
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Rogers Monster Agave
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