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Aug 29 2020
wildwesthikes
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 Phoenix, AZ
Horton Super Duper Loop & Turkey Beaver WQA, AZ 
Horton Super Duper Loop & Turkey Beaver WQA, AZ
 
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I made a video of this trip you can view here: [ youtube video ]

Decided to finally explore the Turkey Beaver WQA, which I'd been eying for a long time. I did not do the full Turkey-Beaver Loop due to time constraints and weather but the experience was enough that I want to go back asap and do it. But also from a recent day hike I wanted to incorporate Horton Spring in the backpacking trip. And having never hiked the section of Highline #31 in between Horton & See Canyon, I decided to throw that in for good measure. The result was a trip that kind of has everything except for low desert or alpine.

You get low forests, high forests, subtropical, red slickrock, off-trail, on-trail, flowing creeks, not-flowing creeks, abandoned jeep roads, forested drainages. This is a fantastic casual pace backpacking route if you want to see a little bit of everything the Mogollon Rim has to offer. Those who have hiked Horton before might scoff at the idea of backpacking over there with how crowded it can be. The same can be said for See Canyon. I highly advise hiking each trail on weekdays. It was a Tuesday on my return down Horton back to the car and I saw zero peoples until I was within half a mile of the trailhead.

The general route involved starting up Drew Tr. on a Saturday so there was a lot of day hiking traffic. The section of Highline is pure bliss with its undulating terrain, beautiful views of Promontory Butte, and constant in an out of forest with red slickrock sections in between. Going up See Canyon was busy as expected but hikers mostly clear out within a half mile past its respective trailhead. I made camp near Nappa Spring - awesome campsite. That night would bring some intense all night monsoon storms. I spent the next 3 days going up the rim, into Beaver Canyon and then using old abandoned FR92 to get back to the upper Horton TH for a little, mostly off-trail loop. I've done the upper section of Horton from the rim down to the spring a few times now and I always dread it. The views can't be beat but also it will beat up your butt as you slide down in a few spots. Monsoon rain was nearly a constant on/off for the first 3 days of the trip - including a few hailstorms.

This is a cool route. Originally the goal was to incorporate the entire Turkey-Beaver canyon loop but foul weather made the walking up See Canyon a bit miserable on day 2. This would also be the first time I resorted to using a scummy muddy rain puddle in the middle of a road as a water source on a backpacking trip. I may have lead poisoning now but I feel fine. It did not clog up my filter. I managed to rip a 3" gash in the neck of my rain jacket too. I always feel like a more accomplished hiker when some expensive piece of equipment gets trashed... replacement cost notwithstanding.

water 1 out of 5water less than maxwater less than maxwater less than max Beaver Canyon - Upper Pools to trickle Pools to trickle
Numerous pools heading north down-canyon from the corrals, down to about 1 mile south of FR92 Turkey Beaver Crossing. Creek bed widens and water appears to end just south of FR92 junction.

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Beautiful & spacious campsite next door
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Aug 24 2020
Jim_H
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Babe Haught Trail - Hatchery to Knoll LakePayson, AZ
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Hiking13.00 Miles 2,500 AEG
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Clockwise loop similar to what I snowshoed in November, except I went east on 300 to the Horton Springs Trail, and then back on the Highlife trail. Easier in summer, but far prettier in Winter. All the trails and roads I hiked are in good shape. Not much to say about this.

No smoke on the hike, but visibility was terrible from the smoke. Had some rain, too. Awesome cicadas in the cottonwoods in Payson and Star Valley. There is no BBQ that I saw in either town, and the Circle K disappointed me by having nasty weird injected sausages, but no hot dogs. I just ate steak, at home, instead. It was a NY Strip, which is oaky, but not great. I should have defrosted the Rib-eye.
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Aug 08 2020
DixieFlyer
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Geronimo Turkey Milk, AZ 
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Hiking11.00 Miles 2,559 AEG
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I was once again looking to escape the heat of the valley, and decided to head back to the Rim Country. This time, I did a lollipop loop hike starting from the Geronimo TH and going up to Milk Ranch Point.

We did the loop CCW by going up on the Turkey Trail and coming back down on the West Webber Trail.

You'll get a good workout on the ascent up the Turkey Trail -- about 2/3 of the way up we stopped and climbed up on a cool rock outcropping that has some great views.

The trails were generally in good shape, although the West Webber Trail is getting a little overgrown in places, mainly with some small maple trees and some sumac.

The drive in on the Control Road and the forest road leading to the Boy Scout Camp were both in good shape -- most any vehicle could easily drive it. I wish that the western part of Rim Road 300 was in similar condition!
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Jul 01 2020
CannondaleKid
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Highline Out & Back via 260 TH, AZ 
Highline Out & Back via 260 TH, AZ
 
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Hiking9.30 Miles 1,191 AEG
Hiking9.30 Miles   4 Hrs   24 Mns   2.31 mph
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Early start and finished by noon... basically a re-run of our hike last September except we went a short distance up the Drew Trail before stopping for an early lunch, whereas last year we continued a short distance on the Highline.

We met one hiker on the way out and two groups of two mountain bikers on the return trip. Plenty of elk, deer and bear tracks, which meant Tracey had a heightened awareness of our surroundings. No live animal sightings, just a lone red-tailed hawk giving us a look.

Major screw-up of the day... one small change in my normal after-hike routine resulted leaving my GPS on the right rear tire, so of course I drove over it as we left. ](*,)
The soonest I became aware of the fiasco was a few hours after we got home and I couldn't find it and Tracey said "didn't you pick it up off the tire?" :doh:

Anyway, within an hour of that realization (and after deciding to forego purchasing a replacement) I get a call from one of the mountain bikers (also named Mark) who found an old GPS laying in the parking lot. It wouldn't turn on but when he got home (in Payson) he plugged it into his PC and although the display was inoperative he located the file with my contact information and called me. Unfortunately as nice as it was for him to contact me, it's pretty much a doorstop so there's no need to get it back to me.

Live and learn... it's just a sign of an aging mind. :roll:
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Jun 13 2020
johnlp
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Highline - AZT #26Payson, AZ
Payson, AZ
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Three days and two nights on the Highline trail from the Pine TH to Washington Park and back. I have down most if not all of the AZT #26 in pieces before, but this makes it official in my mind.
We camped both nights at Bray Creek, which has running water and good camp sites.Explored Bray Canyon. Found the source of the Spring water 1/2 mile up the canyon where it comes out of the ground not too far from the cliffs leading up to the rim.
Weather was nice and cool in the mornings. We did not hike during the heat of the day, but temps stayed in the mid-eighties so it wouldn't have been too bad.
We read books in the afternoons and did some exploring. Relaxing weekend. Thanks Kelly. :)
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Jun 13 2020
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Highline - AZT #26Payson, AZ
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john and i did an out and back of the highline portion of azt #26

day 1:
got an early start and were hiking before 0600
a good bit of uphill initially, then typical highline up and down before a drop into geronimo
camped at bray creek, about 12.5 miles in
nice water supply and a good campsite
relaxed and read the rest of the afternoon
mid 80s and breezy
saw three backpackers, one of them camped nearby - nice chat with jamie

day 2:
day hike to washington park, setting out around 0715
we did not do the colonel devin piece, as we did this last year
crossed several flowing creeks - the chase creek area would make a nice campsite
again finished early afternoon
relaxed a bit, then explored down bray canyon later on

day 3: back to pine trailhead
got going just before 0700 (we like to have our coffee)
packs were a few pounds lighter after consuming the consumables
filtered water at webber creek and red rock spring box
nice downhill to finish

random thoughts:
all new territory for me
less mileage but higher aeg and more difficult terrain than our last trip
still refining our backpacking skilz
nailed the food and clothing, would have liked to have a chair
nice to have some time to relax
water is the key
found out from @chumley that the beeline was closed
had lunch in pine and went home the long way; only cost us about 30 minutes
thanks for another great trip, john!
more to come
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gallon per minute from hose near camp. no flow in creek at highline due to water being piped down to ranch below

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pipe in spring box dripping on the way in, not on the way out. filtered from half full spring box on the way out

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Jun 06 2020
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 Anthem, az
Highline Trail - RT Pine TH to Webber Creek, AZ 
Highline Trail - RT Pine TH to Webber Creek, AZ
 
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Backpack16.30 Miles 2,761 AEG
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This was a gorgeous, yet brutal, out and back trip along the segment of the Highline trail/AZT Section 26 from the Pine TH to Webber Creek. I was using this as a gear shakedown trip as my first time backpacking in several years. I only mention this as I was carrying way too much weight, making the accumulated elevation gain even more challenging. Not my brightest move to use this trail as a shakedown but I did learn quite a bit.

The climb through the first drainage was rather pleasant and not particularly exposed. I did misread a trail marker and end up on the Pine View trail for about a quarter-mile before I realized I was going the wrong direction. That was pure pilot error on my part as the trail is well marked. The switchbacks were exposed but also pleasant going through what reminded me of an orchard. I thought I had done most of the work of the day when I reached the southern tip of Milk Ranch Pt and Red Rock Spring (Plenty of water). I was wrong. The views definitely made the ups and downs well worth it. The trail was mainly exposed. Having started around 2 (too late for many reasons), I didn't get to the Webber Creek area until twilight was ending.

As I walked into the Webber Creek area, there was a couple camped out at the creek already. They took pity on me and offered to let me setup my hammock in the same area. The unexpected companionship was very welcome and something for which I am very grateful. Webber Creek is as beautiful and pleasant as I remember from my summers working at Camp Geronimo back in the mid-80s. The nostalgia made the camp experience even better.

The hike out in the morning was much better. Because I knew what to expect, I was able to plan my water usage and refills better. The views. Oh my, the views. I just cannot say enough about them.

The trail, especially the early parts, were heavily used by day hikers and a handful of other backpackers.
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Derrick - Horton LoopPayson, AZ
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Hiking10.50 Miles 2,000 AEG
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Parked at the Derrick trailhead , only a horse trailer there when I arrived. Evidence of horses on the same loop as I hiked up Derrick. A bit warmer than I hoped on the intermittently shaded Derrick felt better once on the stretch of Highline going to Horton Springs . Highline Trail is in great shape , some wide open views plus a few patches of lupine and the smell of pines added to the pleasantness of this trail. Only saw a total of 5 hikers by the time I reached Horton Springs area where a group of 8 were hanging out. Climbed over the fallen pine tree on the right side walking up to the spring, fascinated with the water swirling out of the rocks but hard for me to get a good picture of it. Not wanting to hang out at this crowded area went along the Horton Creek Trail about 1.5 miles and dropped into the creek at an area with several flat rocks. Made for a good place to wade almost to the knees in ice cold water and then stretch out on the rocks. The sound of rushing water made it too relaxing and I took a 15 minute power nap :D Adding to the nice scenery of running creek and columbines was a butterfly convention happening along here. Another 7 or 8 hikers met on this lower part of the trail until nearing the gate where there were too many to count “hikers” most toting towels from there on to the packed parking lot. Soaked my hat and scarf below the bridge before the walk down the road, a half dozen cars parked along the road and only that many in the Derrick trailhead lot, by now temp was hovering around 90°. Glad I finished up on the Horton Creek Trail but I would not want to be in the lower part of the trail or campground area on the weekend.
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Drew Highline See Cyn General Crook Loop, AZ 
Drew Highline See Cyn General Crook Loop, AZ
 
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Hiking11.62 Miles 1,990 AEG
Hiking11.62 Miles   7 Hrs   5 Mns   1.97 mph
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It was a warm early June time frame. We were camping at the Canyon Point campground on the Mogollon Rim at 7700 feet elevation. Thus we wanted to start our hike on the Drew Trail where it crosses a forest road in a campground. No real trail head parking so we parked along the road.

It was about a mile down the Drew trail to the Highline Trail. Great views along the way, but a bit steep on the toes. Sure glad we weren't hiking the other direction and finishing this climb in the hot afternoon. Even though we started a little after 7am, it was already plenty warm when we reached the Highline trail. The Drew trail was in better shape than I expected. Most maps and trail web sites show it as a pretty minor and little used trail. No trail finding needed here.

2.5 miles later we found ourselves at the junction of See Canyon trail, which is along Christopher Creek, a really pleasant, heavily wooded area. A good source of water if you need some. 0.7 miles later is the junction of the See Springs trail. We ventured up there to some small cascades that other people called a falls. So far up he See Canyon trail is was a pretty nice trail. Not long afterward that trail got a lot tougher. And then it got rockier. And then it got steeper. While the last 3 miles on the See Canyon trail may have been only a 1500 foot climb, it was pretty slow going, with several downed trees and slippery rocks.

Once we reached the crest at the General Crook trail we looked for a place to have lunch. The temperature was in the low 80s by now, and probably the low 80s in the last 2 hours as we climbed up hill. The last stretch on the General Crook trail was mostly pretty easy. Not much elevation change, a mix of 2 track and 1 track, due to the nature of it being an old road. But it was a little rockier than I thought it would be.
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AZT26 Geronimo to Sycamore Creek, AZ 
AZT26 Geronimo to Sycamore Creek, AZ
 
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Hiking9.71 Miles 1,621 AEG
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The smart play was to stay home. I'm not always smart. It was warm, probably low 90's when I finished.

I haven't been on this section of the Highline Trail and it was an opportunity to hike a section of a segment of the AZT. This was an out and back. Two or three more trips up here and I can wrap up AZT26!

I saw three elk, a vulture circling overhead and a horned toad. Didn't see any people until I reached the AZT gate on my return where I passed two men heading the other way. 30 minutes later I heard four shots fired, from a handgun it sounded like. Not cool.

I brought three liters of water and a bottle of Gatorade. Finished the last of the water at the trailhead. Had an ice cold canteen waiting in the truck for the trip home. Drank most of that by the time I reached Payson so I stopped in Payson to replenish.

In spite of the heat, it was an enjoyable hike.


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May 28 2020
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Pine Loop Trail, AZ 
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Hiking3.20 Miles 690 AEG
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We did this hike as part of a road trip. Left SE Mesa at 0645 and headed north to Camp Verde. Traffic on 101 was very light. In Camp Verde we found our way to the river and watched a couple groups of kayakers launch, chatted with a young lady from Sedona who shared her knowledge of the area with us. Once we tired of the bugs we continued east on 260 to make our way to the rim. At the 87 junction we turned left as I wanted to check out the upper Pine Canyon Trail Head which I had never been, the continued our way through Strawberry and Pine to the lower Pine Canyon Trail Head where we had lunch at one of the new picnic gazebos. During lunch the clouds moved in which made this hike very pleasant even with warmer temps. First time on the Pineview Trail #28, which was really nice. Easyhiker gave this loop very high marks and wants to return this summer with a hammock, is that even called a hike?? On our way through Payson we attempted to make a stop at Wendy’s for a Frosty but the dining room was closed and the drive thru was too long to wait, so off we went. A quick an uneventful cruise back to the valley ending a nice trip.
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Rim View Webber Loop, AZ 
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Hiking12.00 Miles 2,500 AEG
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This Hike will go into the "What in the h*** was I thinking" Folder. Wrong Loop to do after barely doing anything in the last two weeks.

I can sum this up in 3 sentences.
My Curiosity of this Area has been completely satisfied.
This Loop completely and utterly kicked my Ass.
Of the 4 Trails that I used to create this Loop, 3 of them are definitely a One and Done.

I did this Loop CCW. I wanted to get the Rim View Trail out of the way early on and hopefully before it got too hot. Huh.... It was a good Decision for the former at least. I would have hated leaving this one for the back end. It took me so long to do that Trail that I was in it for most of the heat as well. So glad I brought almost 5 Liters of Water. Drank every drop on this Hike and could have drank more. Webber Creek saved me, I was an overheated, bloody mess by the time I got there. If there had been a swimming hole at that crossing, I would have just gone completely in.

Highline/AZT 26
Whenever the AZT comes into play on a Trail, the maintenance is pretty stellar, at least in the places I've experienced. This Section was no different. Just a Dream to Stroll, Hike and just Cruise along. The ATA has done some impressive work here. I'll compare it to a Wedding.

Rim View Trail BSA
Omg... :sweat: :sweat: :sweat: First, I will tell you that the Highline/Rim View Trail intersection has been moved further north and east. Because of that, the Rim View Trail has been extended and that extension is in great shape. The Trail is marked with green fence poles with the tops painted orange. The first mile or so was great, if the Trail was questionable at all, the poles could usually be found to help with the Route Finding. I'll compare this Section to a Honeymoon. Nice Views and decent Trail. After this Section, the Honeymoon was over. The Vegetation, consisting of Manzanita, Scrub Oak, Locust and even Raspberries, competes with the Love and the Love loses, badly. And so do the Poles. If the Poles didn't completely do a vanishing act in the Vegetation, they were bent or broken to where you still couldn't see them until you were right on top of them. I don't think the rest of this Trail has seen any Love except from the Wildlife, who love it in places, but even they desert it at times and that makes it even worse. If there were new sections of Trail through here, then I guess I was on them, but most of it is gone too. After the 1st hour of basically a bushwack, with some of it actually being on the Trail (which was better), I should have turned around. If I hadn't had a GPS, I would have for sure. But I had gone this far and I was trying to stay optimistic with the chance that at some point, someone had done some work somewhere along here. Besides, turning around meant another hour of crap, just to get back. So I kept going. Someday, my stubborness is going to kill me. The Length of that Trail is roughly 3.6 Miles. With two very short breaks to snack and get some electrolytes, it took me over 6 hours. With the Honeymoon being long over, I was now ready for a Divorce. It was incredibly hard to stay on the Route at all. But I kept trying to stay on the Route, because at times, the Trail was still defined. It was still being taken over by vegetation, but easier to walk through. But those areas would only last 100 feet if I was lucky and then I was trying to follow the path of least resistance that would end, and I would immediately be off Route again. In trying to get back to the Trail, I would try to use some Route Finding and Trail Logic. I was wrong 80% of the time. I soon learned that if in doubt, stay high, and at times, the Route went even higher. But then, Cairns appeared briefly and they went even higher, so I followed and it didn't seem right. I was off Route yet again. No Clue what was up with the Cairns. If Hank and Kyle hadn't put in the Waypoint for the Rock Chute, I'd been hard pressed to find a way down at all. As it was, doing down off that Slope was mostly on my butt. I finally made the Creek. Going into and out of the Creek was the most defined part of the Trail in the last 2 miles. I spent some time sitting in the Creek, cooling down and washing off blood. It was much later than I wanted, but I made the Decision to go for the Spring, up canyon on East Webber. I made it, but it just about finished me off.

East Webber to Spring
There is no defined "intersection" of East Webber and Rim View. No Sign either. But the Trail was nice for a bit at least. And it stayed "defined" for most of the way up towards the Perennial Spring. And there were Pink Ribbons occasionally to help. The Trail is there, but for most of the Hike from the 2nd Water crossing on, it is littered with debris. And when I mean littered, I mean, you can't see the dirt at all. Wood chips, bark chips, wood chunks galore. The Bears are busy in there breaking up and destroying old logs and nobody is cleaning up after them. And let's add quite a few downed trees over the trail. This trail was only about a mile and a half one way, but it became exhausting. It wasn't helpful after what I had just done. The Route shows that you can go up to the Spring, but I never saw it and actually went farther up the Trail before I turned around. The Creek is dry at that point. Note to others. Wear pants on this Section. Most of the Vegetation encroaching on the Trail is Raspberries. I wouldn't do this section again unless I could be sure to hit it at the Peak of Autumn. Lots of Maples in here.

East Webber/Geronimo to the TH
By the time I got back to the Webber/Rim View "Intersection", I was physically and mentally fried. And I still had over 4 miles to go with about 2 hours of light left. I had less than a liter of water left and used it with another electrolyte with 3 miles to go. Needless to say, I just put my head down and got it done. I will say that from that intersection to where the Trail turns into a Jeep road, East Webber was a wonderful single track tread and it almost made me euphoric at that point. Once it became a road and eventually merged with Geronimo, it was just ok, but the Forest and Creek were pretty nice through there. Nice road walk if you're in the area and don't have a lot of time. Geronimo was pretty much all Road Walk until just before the end, where you basically merge with the Highline/AZT for the final 1/4 mile or so.

I could have almost cried when I saw the Truck with less than 30 minutes of light left. I was one hurting mess. A cigarette would have been sweet here, but no, I had to settle for downing a cold Powerade I had in the Truck. I'm about 40 days Smoke Free at this point and as hard as it still is, I simply can't give in. I made a deal with myself. The only way I could afford the truck was to give up the smokes. And I sure do enjoy the Truck. I look at it every time I'm having a lot of trouble with a craving. The Reward is worth it and I seem to be not as winded as easily while hiking, so that's always a bonus. :)

Additional Perspective on the Rim Trail. I might do it again if someone paid me, but they would have to dig very very deep. I would recommend this Trail for about a mile as an Out and Back from the Highline, that is all. The rest of it isn't a Trail anymore, it's simply a bushwack. Unless the Forest Service or Boy Scouts come back and say they've completely revamped it or you're simply masochistic, don't do it. And if you're the latter and decide to do it and you want even more punishment, don't take a GPS. You'll adore the Hell you've walked into.
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Named place
Named place
Geronimo Spring
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New Mexico Locust is in full swing. Other bushy Flowers as well. The Raspberries are getting started. One cluster of Indian Paintbrush. Some smaller wildflowers here and there.

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Until north of 2nd unnamed Spring just below the Rim. Then East Webber is dry.

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At the Trail. Although there was a path to the Spring Box, it's getting pretty overgrown with Raspberries, so I didn't check the Spring Box.

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At Webber Trail Crossing

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At Webber Trail Crossing
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May 23 2020
hikerdw
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 Routes 165
 Photos 2,571
 Triplogs 423

61 male
 Joined Aug 16 2009
 Mesa,AZ
Myrtle Point Loop, AZ 
Myrtle Point Loop, AZ
 
Hiking avatar May 23 2020
hikerdw
Hiking16.32 Miles 2,862 AEG
Hiking16.32 Miles   6 Hrs   28 Mns   2.79 mph
2,862 ft AEG      37 Mns Break
 
1st trip
Expecting masses we decided to give this loop a try and it hit on all cylinders. Weather was perfect, saw no others the entire hike, and saw some wildlife, elk and deer, along the way.

We started from the Hatchery Trail Head and hiked in a CW direction. The section of the Highline trail we hiked to Myrtle Trail was really nice. I had low expectations reading some of the posted triplogs but those were greatly exceeded. Myrtle Trail was a great accent to the rim. Easy to follow and killer views. Picked up the General Trail for the walk across the rim which was easy to follow and very pleasant. Used some old forest roads to connect The General to Babe Haught Trail to close out the loop. Will definitely do this loop again.
Named place
Named place
Ellison Creek Myrtle Lake

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water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water less than maxwater less than max Myrtle Lake 26-50% full 26-50% full
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May 10 2020
LindaAnn
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 Photos 3,347
 Triplogs 1,163

40 female
 Joined Dec 24 2007
 Ahwatukee, AZ
Derrick - Horton LoopPayson, AZ
Payson, AZ
Hiking avatar May 10 2020
LindaAnn
Hiking10.13 Miles 1,973 AEG
Hiking10.13 Miles   7 Hrs   9 Mns   1.62 mph
1,973 ft AEG      53 Mns Break
 
Partners none no partners
Route Scout GPS Route Recorded on Route Scout View
Parked at the Derrick Trailhead (which was a mess of people camping in the parking lot, and doing their morning business sitting on a bucket in plain sight, my kids could not stop laughing), and walked up the road to the start of Horton to get the busiest portion of the hike out of the way first. As usual, Horton was in good condition and easy to follow, although we chose to stay next to the creek for some long stretches. Prettier that way, and less people.

At the spring, the kids took a short break to eat some pizza, then we headed south on Highline. Trail is in mostly good shape, and we only saw three other hikers. Maples looked great, and the kids thought coming back in the fall would be a good idea. Their list of fall hikes is getting longer every week.

Once we reached Derrick, it was getting pretty warm, and the clouds in the forecast were nowhere near us, but at least we were going downhill. The rocky sections were mildly annoying, and I think that contributed to a few moments of crankiness from the kids. Once we got closer to the trailhead, the rocks lessened and attitudes improved. Good loop for the kids, and they had fun. Of course, clouds started moving in as soon as we finished. The trailheads and road were a mob scene, although the parking lot campers were gone. Heavy traffic getting back into and through Payson.

Oddly enough, it was raining at my house when we left this morning, and it was raining again when we got back home late this afternoon.
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Wildflowers Observation Moderate
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Apr 19 2020
LindaAnn
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 Guides 40
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 Photos 3,347
 Triplogs 1,163

40 female
 Joined Dec 24 2007
 Ahwatukee, AZ
Drew Bear See, AZ 
Drew Bear See, AZ
 
Hiking avatar Apr 19 2020
LindaAnn
Hiking15.63 Miles 2,528 AEG
Hiking15.63 Miles   6 Hrs   57 Mns   2.49 mph
2,528 ft AEG      41 Mns Break
 
1st trip
Route Scout GPS Route Recorded on Route Scout View
Started a little after 0730 to nice cool temps. Headed east from the See Canyon trailhead, crossed Christopher Creek, then picked up Highline on the other side of the creek. East on Highline, which is fairly easy hiking, gradual ups and downs, reaching Drew at the 2.50 mile mark. Turned left and headed up Drew. Despite the elevation gain on Drew, I always find it to be pleasant, with a steady incline. At the top, we headed west on FR9350. Passed one abandoned campsite with a still smoldering fire. After mostly taking care of that, we continued west, eventually turning onto Gen Crook trail. At FR208, we took that north for two miles, then down to Bear Canyon Lake, where we had lunch. Back south on 208, then west to the top of See Canyon. Steep descent down See, with many downed trees to get around/over/under—hopefully those will be cleared soon. The last mile or two on See gradually leveled out and made for a pleasant finish to the loop. Nice temps all day, a little warm at times, but the breeze helped.
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water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water 4 out of 5 Herman Spring Gallon + per minute Gallon + per minute
Plenty of water here

dry Nappa Spring Dry Dry
Didn’t spend much time looking, but the entire vicinity looked dry.
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Apr 16 2020
LJW
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 Triplogs 172

26 male
 Joined Jun 02 2019
 Phoenix, AZ
Promontory Butte - Bear Canyon Lake Loop, AZ 
Promontory Butte - Bear Canyon Lake Loop, AZ
 
Hiking avatar Apr 16 2020
LJW
Hiking27.56 Miles 4,800 AEG
Hiking27.56 Miles   12 Hrs   21 Mns   2.95 mph
4,800 ft AEG   3 Hrs    Break
 
1st trip
Route Scout GPS Route Recorded on Route Scout View
I did this loop in August last year without Bear Canyon Lake and thought it would make a nice addition during the cooler months. A friend and I took the loop clockwise starting around 6:30am at the Derrick trailhead.

Horton Creek was in great shape, thanks in part to a biker we met who kept stopping to toss rocks off the side of the trail. Shady in the early morning and over quickly. Stopped at the spring before heading up Highline. Strong flow of water in the creek and from the spring.

Up and down on Highline to Promontory, and it was pretty easy going. Highline was probably the best maintained trail on the day. Promontory on the other hand was slippery with pine needles and loose rock. Took a while to make it up the steep climb to top of the rim where we took a short break before heading across the rim to Promontory Butte's highpoint.

Hung out at the high point for a while before heading through the forest to FR76 and taking that to FR300. 76 is closed to motorized traffic, so we didn't see anyone on Promontory Butte. I thought 300 was still closed and there wouldn't be any traffic around the lake, but I guess it opened in the week before. Saw our second group of people car camped where 300 meets 76.

Went straight across 300 into Bear Canyon and followed the water down. The hike in Bear Canyon was probably my favorite part of the trip, along with the lake itself. Gentle flow of water and the travel was pretty easy with little brush and deadfall to contend with. The canyon widened out as it went down and revealed meadows and clearings that wouldn't be out of place in the White Mountains.

Took the Lake Trail around to the little rocky isthmus on the south shore. Bear Canyon Lake was as full as I've seen it, and the old timers at the lake who were more familiar made similar statements. Most of the people we saw on the day were at the lake. A couple people on floats fishing, and a couple families hanging out fishing around the shore.

From the lake we took the Lake Trail up to FR208 and headed back toward 300. Cut corners through the forest to shorten the trip to See Canyon's upper trailhead. See Canyon has significant deadfall higher up and a little bit farther down the canyon as well. Good flow of water, a little at the top a lot toward the bottom. Saw a few turkeys in See Canyon and one person out taking pictures near the lower th.

Climbed up Highline as the sun was getting low. Flew down the smooth Highline trail to Derrick where the tread is rough higher up but not so bad farther down. Saw a half dozen elk near the bottom of Derrick as the sun started to set. Made it back before dark having only seen two hikers/bikers the whole trip.

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Apr 11 2020
DixieFlyer
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 Joined Jan 07 2017
 Fountain Hills,
Horton Super Loop PlusPayson, AZ
Payson, AZ
Hiking avatar Apr 11 2020
DixieFlyer
Hiking15.30 Miles 2,943 AEG
Hiking15.30 Miles   7 Hrs   2 Mns   2.59 mph
2,943 ft AEG   1 Hour   7 Mns Break
 
It had been 6 months since I had been up to the Rim Country, so I was way overdue. I rectified that situation by doing the Horton Super Loop plus a side trip over to the Gila County co-high point on Promontory Butte.

We started at the Horton Creek TH and hiked alongside Horton Creek on the Horton Creek Trail. We hit the Highline Trail, and went a very short distance over to Horton Spring. There was a good bit of water in the creek as well as the spring.

We then made the steep climb up to the Rim on the Horton Spring Trail. I got us off track a little bit on the first part of the trail, but I managed to hit the trail again in short order. This trail is steep, gaining about 1,200 feet in 0.9 miles. However, it is a decent trail and is fairly easy to follow with lots of cairns.

Once on the Rim Road, we headed east for a ways before going off-trail to FR 76. I probably could have turned sooner off the Rim Road and saved some mileage. Once on FR 76, we headed back to the west for a ways before going off trail and going to the Gila County High Point. At the high point we saw the cadastral survey marker and the summit cairn -- the summit register needs a new log book, which I forgot bring. Then we went a little SE over to where the benchmark and 2 reference disks are and ate lunch.

Then we went off-trail for a bit over to the Promontory TH, and descended on the steep, slippery, primitive Promontory Trail until we got to the Highline Trail. The Promontory Trail is about as bad as it gets for a named trail. Once on Highline, we headed south to the Derrick Trail, and then took Derrick back to the TH.

It was a great day to be up there -- the temperature was about 40 at the start of the hike, and it was mostly in the 40's for the entire hike, although it was 53 when we got back to the TH. There was a bit of thunder just before we got to the Promontory Trail, and there were a few snow flurries during the descent on the Promontory Trail. There was a smidgen of snow in a couple of places up on Promontory Butte, but snow was a non-issue on the hike.
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Wildflowers Observation None
There were essentially no wildflowers to be seen right now.

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water 4 out of 5 Horton Creek Heavy flow Heavy flow
There was a good bit of water in Horton Creek.

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There was a good bit of water coming out of the spring.
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Oct 27 2019
donqcryer
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71 male
 Joined Oct 06 2011
 Payson, AZ &
Highline Trail #31Payson, AZ
Payson, AZ
Hiking avatar Oct 27 2019
donqcryer
Hiking6.00 Miles 500 AEG
Hiking6.00 Miles   2 Hrs      3.00 mph
500 ft AEG
 no routes
1st trip
Linked none no linked trail guides
Partners none no partners
This was a foliage hike from See Canyon TH east on the Highline Trail towards the 260 TH. After the foliage around See Canyon TH (especially the parking lot area that was at Peak and spectacular) the second major canyon you go up at about 1.4 miles from the See Canyon TH is a great foliage area all the way up the Canyon.
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Autumn Foliage Observation Substantial
Foliage was past peak but still great. This area usually can be better tha See Canyon, but not this year. Many maples went to yellow with only a few red. Colors were pastel. Best colors and foliage were only the old trail (now closed and 'hidden') that stays close to the creek bed all the way up.
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Oct 22 2019
mazatzal
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 Routes 32
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63 male
 Joined Jul 28 2004
 Scottsdale, AZ
Highline - AZT #26Payson, AZ
Payson, AZ
Hiking avatar Oct 22 2019
mazatzal
Hiking5.00 Miles 460 AEG
Hiking5.00 Miles
460 ft AEG
 no routes
Partners partners
Sredfield
Three of us met with two FS folks at Geronimo TH to check 2 trail washouts and assess what could be done to fIx them. Saw a rafter of turkeys near the TH :)

After that we went over to Bradshaw tank to check a gate location and the off trail access route.
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Oct 19 2019
Tortoise_Hiker
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 Routes 78
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58 male
 Joined Apr 02 2005
 Mesa, AZ
Highline Trail #31Payson, AZ
Payson, AZ
Hiking avatar Oct 19 2019
Tortoise_Hiker
Hiking4.21 Miles 556 AEG
Hiking4.21 Miles   1 Hour   44 Mns   2.53 mph
556 ft AEG      4 Mns Break
 
Linked none no linked trail guides
Partners none no partners
Route Scout GPS Route Recorded on Route Scout View
My plan was to start at See Canyon parking area and go two miles east on the Highline trail and back. There is a Maple area there and I was looking for reds. A quarter mile into my hike and I see my first Red. It's Dallin and his partner (Kate) I believe :D ! Talked for a few minutes and they headed west. They started at 260 trailhead and were doing the whole Highline Trail :o :app: . The Maples were not in their prime but there was still some nice color mixtures. Turned around at my two mile mark and wandered around the parking area when I got back to see a few more colors. :y:
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