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Jul 26 2019
jochal
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35 male
 Joined Sep 13 2009
 Mesa, AZ
Donahue Trail #27Payson, AZ
Payson, AZ
Hiking avatar Jul 26 2019
jochal
Hiking9.50 Miles 2,200 AEG
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Out and back from Pine Trailhead. Added Pine View trail onto the end. Donahue is a nice trail, just not a destination hike.

Nice temps starting out, but up to 90 by the end.
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Jun 15 2019
adenium
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45 male
 Joined Jul 05 2008
 Gilbert, AZ
Donahue Trail #27Payson, AZ
Payson, AZ
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adenium
Hiking7.86 Miles 1,633 AEG
Hiking7.86 Miles   3 Hrs   5 Mns   2.55 mph
1,633 ft AEG
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Fun on the trails in Pine. Weather clouded up nicely so it wasn't too hot. Steep climb for decent, but not breathtaking, views.
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Jun 08 2019
LindaAnn
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39 female
 Joined Dec 24 2007
 Ahwatukee, AZ
Milk Ranch Point Loop, AZ 
Milk Ranch Point Loop, AZ
 
Hiking avatar Jun 08 2019
LindaAnn
Hiking17.06 Miles 3,467 AEG
Hiking17.06 Miles   8 Hrs   20 Mns   2.36 mph
3,467 ft AEG   1 Hour   6 Mns Break
 
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Got started a little after 9:00am and headed up Red Rock Springs trail. The trail is easy enough to follow, but lots of round rocks, which slows travel a bit. Once we reached Highline, we headed east to Geronimo. Surprisingly clear views in all directions, despite the various fires burning around the state. We could just barely see a little smoke from the Coldwater fire, and really none from the Mountain fire. Took a short snack break near the junction with Geronimo, then continued on our way. Just after Camp Geronimo, we ended up on the Boy Scouts Geronimo-West Webber Connector; we started to backtrack, then decided to just stick with that trail since it parallels West Webber anyway. Lots of great maples through this section, and plenty of shade. We reached West Webber just before the steep switchbacks started, and headed up. This part was a bit of a slog for me, but I kept my complaining to a minimum. Once up top, we decided to head out to the edge of Milk Ranch Point before heading down Donahue. We followed one the forest roads out to the eastern-southeastern edge and found some shaded rocks to sit on for lunch. Once there, we could see directly south, and could just barely make out the start of the smoke plume from the Woodbury fire, but we couldn't tell for sure where it was located. After we ate, we headed back over to the Donahue Trail and make our way down off the Rim. Somewhere along here, Jim actually complained about the heat--I was very confused. Once back on Highline, we headed east back towards Red Rock Springs, and back down to the car, finishing up by 5:30. By late afternoon, the smoke from the Coldwater fire had increased noticeably, but all the smoke was headed east. On the drive home, the smoke from the Woodbury fire increased a lot too, and we could finally tell in which part of the Superstitions it was burning. Nice day and loop, with great weather. Saw no other hikers all day, but a few RZRs up top, which was kind of annoying since they don't seem to understand that roads marked closed to motorized vehicles actually includes them too.
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Jun 08 2019
Jim_H
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 Joined Sep 08 2006
 Phoenix, AZ
Milk Ranch Point Loop, AZ 
Milk Ranch Point Loop, AZ
 
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Jim_H
Hiking17.00 Miles 3,467 AEG
Hiking17.00 Miles   8 Hrs   20 Mns   2.35 mph
3,467 ft AEG   1 Hour   6 Mns Break10 LBS Pack
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1st trip
This was not a peak. There was no peak to be found here. Overwhelmingly smokey views tragically destroyed the trip. Cancel your plans, NOW! Excessively crowded control roads are out of control. Dust....galore. On the point, more dust, buggies, and dust, never a moments peace. Donahue heat drains one's hiking stamina and frankly, why do I even leave the house? Over 8 hours of shear torture combined with some of the worst hiking conditions of the year made for an absolute hellish trip around this eyesore of geographic feature. There is no milk to be found here!

The only consolation was spotting the Woodbury Fire, and now it is obvious that by the weekend's end, the entirety of that dreadful Superstition Range will be blackened! No more apples!
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Jun 08 2019
ShatteredArm
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36 male
 Joined Nov 30 2015
 Phoenix, AZ
East Webber loop, AZ 
East Webber loop, AZ
 
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ShatteredArm
Run/Jog28.70 Miles 5,400 AEG
Run/Jog28.70 Miles   10 Hrs   57 Mns   2.62 mph
5,400 ft AEG
 
1st trip
Next in my backlog of "crazy adventures that I'm fine with only doing once" (this backlog goes back years) - the one I'm calling "The old maps say East Webber trail goes all the way to the rim."

Logically, we figured the best place to start when scouting out East Webber is not the closest trailhead (Geronimo), but Pine TH. Gotta get in a little warmup!

So we headed up Highline, then Donahue, then overshot the West Webber turn (despite having come up that trail a billion times - it's an easy one to miss). Heading down West Webber was of course fun. After that, heading east on Geronimo was all new territory (not including the Boy Scout days).

East Webber trail is actually quite nice - verdant and smooth, at least to the turnoff to the springs. We stopped at the "swimming hole" for a few minutes for a dip, but the temperature was a little below "refreshing." The trail gets a little overgrown on the way to Rim View junction. After that, it pretty much disappears completely. We were able to follow a semblance of a path until a big giant boulder field choking the canyon. Seriously considered aborting at this point, but we decided to try heading along the slope above all the nonsense. Found what was probably just a game trail that helped us get a little further up canyon. Paths came and went for the next mile or so, until we hit some nice red slickrock, which was also the upper reaches of the creek's flow. After this, it was just mostly hopping over boulders interrupted by one stretch of decent trail.

We cam to a pour off that looked like it has a couple of possible ways around it. We decided to try and go to the left to avoid it, but it turned out to be the "wrong" decision - we went up way too high, and couldn't easily get back down to the creekbed. So we just kept going up and up, avoiding cliff bands, until we ended up at someone's campsite on top of the rim. Whew.

From here, we jogged Milk Ranch Point Rd to 87, and then down into Pine Canyon (which would provide a much needed water stop). Pine Canyon is beautiful, and even better, it has a good trail. When we got down to the girls camp, we were ready for this adventure to be over - there are two competing trail signs on opposite sides, one that says Pine Canyon TH is 4 miles, and one that says 7 miles.

At one point 4 miles may have been accurate, but over the years they've added a bunch of unnecessarily long, swooping switchbacks that have made this trail a lot of fun for MTBs, but absolute torture for pedestrians. (I may or may not have gotten so annoyed with these flat, crappy switchbacks that I cut through on some of the old alignments. If the FS doesn't like it, then maybe they should've considered other trail users before they gutted it.)

In summary... Beautiful route, East Webber trail does not (continuously) go all the way up to the rim, and I'll probably never do this loop again.
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Apr 10 2019
DixieFlyer
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 Fountain Hills,
Red Geronimo Milk, AZ 
Red Geronimo Milk, AZ
 
Hiking avatar Apr 10 2019
DixieFlyer
Hiking15.70 Miles 3,675 AEG
Hiking15.70 Miles   7 Hrs   39 Mns   2.56 mph
3,675 ft AEG   1 Hour   31 Mns Break
 
1st trip
I had never hiked on the section of the Highline Trail from the Donahue Trail to the Geronimo Trail, so I decided to rectify that today. I wound up doing a CCW lollipop loop hike that started and ended at the Red Rock Springs Trail #294.

The trailhead is on Control Rd #64, and is a little over 2 miles off of Highway 87 between Payson and Pine. The Control Road is a very well graded gravel road that any car can drive on. There is room for probably 4-5 cars at the TH.

The sequence of trails on the hike is below.
TH > Red Rock Springs Trl > Highline Trl > Geronimo Trl > Milk Ranch West Trl > West Webber Trl > FR 218 > Donahue Trl > Highline Trl > Red Rock Springs Trl > TH

I had been on FR 218 and the Donahue Trail before, but the others were new to me.

I enjoyed the hike, although I think that this one would be better in the fall when leaves might be changing. The trails were mostly good to hike on, although I am not a big fan of the descent on the Donahue Trail.

The hike wound up being a bit longer than I intended. On the way out on the Red Rock Springs Trail, I got off the trail on a logging road, and by the time I realized my mistake and got back on the trail, I added about 1.3 miles to the hike.
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Pine Spring Red Rock Spring
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there were some manzanita and desert/mojave ceanothus blooming

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water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water 4 out of 5 Red Rock Tank 76-100% full 76-100% full
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Aug 30 2018
DixieFlyer
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 Fountain Hills,
Pine Canyon / Donahue loopPayson, AZ
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DixieFlyer
Hiking14.90 Miles 2,850 AEG
Hiking14.90 Miles   7 Hrs   22 Mns   2.68 mph
2,850 ft AEG   1 Hour   49 Mns Break
 
1st trip
I made my first ever trip to the Pine Trail Head, and I am glad that I did -- I really enjoyed this hike, particularly the first half of it. In fact, this might be my favorite Rim Country hike.

We did the loop clockwise, which would be the best way to do it. The Pine Canyon Trail #26 was a delightful trail to hike on. I also enjoyed hiking on the East Rim trail, although it was very steep -- you gain about 1,000 feet in a mile, and in the first 0.6 miles of the trail you gain about 800 feet. The views are great on the trail, and you get to do some rock scrambling on the upper part of this trail. The trail ends up on Milk Ridge Point, and we made an off trail jaunt for about a mile to a forest road. I enjoyed the off trail portion quite a bit -- I'd recommend taking a GPS track for this portion of the hike.

After hiking on a couple of forest roads, we took the Donohue Trail down off of Milk Ridge until we came to the Highline Trail, and then went of the Highline Trail back to the trail head.

I didn't see much in the way of wildlife -- a rabbit, some squirrels, and some bluejays. At the top of the East Rim Trail I heard a turkey gobbling, but I did not see it. There were a few cows that I saw while going off trail on Milk Ridge Point.
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Aug 19 2018
KBKB
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57 male
 Joined Apr 22 2012
 Fountain Hills,
Highline-Donahue, AZ 
Highline-Donahue, AZ
 
Hiking avatar Aug 19 2018
KBKB
Hiking13.81 Miles 2,287 AEG
Hiking13.81 Miles   6 Hrs   4 Mns   2.37 mph
2,287 ft AEG      15 Mns Break26 LBS Pack
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Starting from Pine TH, I hiked Highline and Donahue. When I got to the end of Donahue, I hiked FR 218 (Milk Ranch Point Rd) and then west on FR 9382L. After taking some photos at the end of 9382L, I turned around and mostly retraced my route.

The route I did (on the way back, anyway) is the latter half of the Pine Canyon / Donahue Loop. I'm thinking about doing this loop someday, but I hadn't hiked the Donahue Trail before - I wanted to see what the descent was like. The Donahue Trail is is pretty good shape and route finding is straightforward.

I got off route for a short ways at the end (when I was back on the Highline Trail), turning left at a fork instead of turning right. I think I was continuing on the Arizona Trail instead of taking the route back to the trailhead. Both forks were good, but the left one was somewhat wider and better defined.

I saw a few other hikers. I also saw a bunch of cows along FR 218 and FR 9382L. They were mellow cows, though I did take my time working my way past them so as not to spook them.

The views were mostly forest views, though occasionally more expansive views became available near the edges of the rim.
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Nov 11 2017
Tough_Boots
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40 male
 Joined Mar 28 2008
 Phoenix, AZ
Donahue Trail #27Payson, AZ
Payson, AZ
Hiking avatar Nov 11 2017
Tough_Boots
Hiking8.25 Miles 1,658 AEG
Hiking8.25 Miles
1,658 ft AEG
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I headed out this morning with 9L, a couple other friends, and a pack of dogs. The plan was for an easy late start dog day in East Webber Creek. It'd been a few years since I'd hike back there. I unfortunately got a flat about 1.5 miles in on the Control Road. The two inch gash at the base of the sidewall was an immediate indication that this tire was headed for the land fill. I'd been telling myself for a few months that I needed to replace my 15 year old spare and as I lowered the ancient half-inflated tire down from the undercarriage, I was really wishing I had done that. Luckily we weren't that far down the dirt and I knew there was a filling station right up the street so I'd be able to fully inflate the spare.

After dealing with all that, we decided that doing a hike from the Pine TH would be smarter in case my old spare didn't hold air. We had a pleasant day with the dogs and took the Donahue up Milk Ranch Point. We had a late lunch at THAT Brewery before we headed back. My shitty old tire seemed to be holding pressure but I stopped in Payson and bought a compressor for the long drive home just to be safe. It felt like a long day but it was still a nice one.

Went to my ghetto Pepboys this morning to replace my tire and the spare. I didn't have road hazard on my tires but they cut me a huge deal since I'd just bought that set in May. I walked out the door paying less than half what I expected to pay for the whole shebang. Those guys rule.
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Jul 29 2017
BiFrost
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49 male
 Joined Nov 20 2012
 Phoenix, AZ
Pine Canyon / Donahue loopPayson, AZ
Payson, AZ
Hiking avatar Jul 29 2017
BiFrost
Hiking14.35 Miles 2,941 AEG
Hiking14.35 Miles   7 Hrs   4 Mns   2.17 mph
2,941 ft AEG      28 Mns Break
 
Hike for the day was Pine Canyon Donahue Loop. We have done this one in the past but not since the reroute section of both Pine Canyon Trail and the Arizona Trail. Starting from Pine TH we headed up Pine Canyon Trail. Fairly near the start the new trail section kicks in and has some really nice trail construction. Several wide switchbacks even out the steepness of the grade but it did add some mileage. We took Pine Canyon Trail to the East Rim Trail turnoff which unlike Pine Canyon has not had any maintenance. However, the trail is a fun climb despite gaining over 1000 feet in 0.6 miles. Cool rocks and great views of Pine Canyon and the rim make this the highlight of the trail.

Once on top we stopped for lunch break. After that it was across Milk Ranch Point and over to the Donohue Trail which drops off the rim. As the trail drops I was curious to see where it intersected with the AZT because I knew that this section was also rerouted. The new trail junction ended up being about 200 feet AEG above and maybe ¼ above from the old junction. From the junction, it was super highway with some really large switchbacks that again probably added some mileage from the old alignment but very nice trail. From there it was an easy stroll back to the trailhead.
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Jul 29 2017
slowandsteady
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45 female
 Joined Jan 05 2012
 Phoenix,AZ
Pine Canyon / Donahue loopPayson, AZ
Payson, AZ
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slowandsteady
Hiking14.35 Miles 2,941 AEG
Hiking14.35 Miles   7 Hrs   4 Mns   2.17 mph
2,941 ft AEG      28 Mns Break
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The_N
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33 male
 Joined Mar 18 2015
 Payson, AZ
Milk Ranch Point Loop, AZ 
Milk Ranch Point Loop, AZ
 
Hiking avatar Jul 08 2017
The_N
Hiking14.85 Miles 3,532 AEG
Hiking14.85 Miles   6 Hrs   21 Mns   2.58 mph
3,532 ft AEG      36 Mns Break
 
We started from Red Rock Springs TH and did this loop CCW, I have only done it the other way. Getting the Highline section done early was the aim. Humidity was certainly a factor during the earlier hours, though. Once we reached Geronimo the stream of trail runners would begin. We breaked along West Webber Creek, below Turkey Spring. Had a snack and replenished my water supply that dwindled surprisingly fast. The stroll through old Pine and Maples, dotted with raspberries along the creek, was it's usual delightful self. Before the climb up the rim, we stopped and chatted with some of the trail runners, and let them go ahead of us. The climb up on West Webber was enjoyable. Switch backs and shade was all we could ask for, and we would eventually catch the crew of runners and start down Donahue together after the brief road walk. Once on the lower, steeper reaches of Donahue and back on the Highline, it was getting warm. Thunder in the distance led to clouds overhead and a break from the sun. By the time we started back down on Red Rock Springs, the big drops started to fall and we would finish out in a downpour mixed with hail. Temps dropped about 20 degrees and we were soaked upon reaching the TH. The cool down was much appreciated. Had a great time in Rim Country today.
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Mogollon Rim

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water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water less than max Red Rock Tank 51-75% full 51-75% full

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Jul 08 2017
LindaAnn
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39 female
 Joined Dec 24 2007
 Ahwatukee, AZ
Milk Ranch Point Loop, AZ 
Milk Ranch Point Loop, AZ
 
Hiking avatar Jul 08 2017
LindaAnn
Hiking14.85 Miles 3,532 AEG
Hiking14.85 Miles   6 Hrs   21 Mns   2.58 mph
3,532 ft AEG      36 Mns Break
 
All new territory for me, so I mostly followed along and tried to keep up. We got started around 7:30 to a cloudless sky, and it was already warm and muggy. We didn't see anyone for the first few miles, but after turning on to Geronimo, there was a steady stream of trail runners. We stopped and chatted with them several times, and also took a lunch break in the shade along the creek. Once atop the Rim, we could see clouds forming and moved pretty steadily after that. It was pretty warm on the way down Donahue, and once on Highline again, it felt sweltering. Just as I was about to complain about the heat, the clouds moved in, along with a rain cooled breeze. The last mile back to the trailhead was accompanied with heavy rain, some hail, and too close lightning. I even jogged, and I hate jogging, but getting to the car and out of the lightning seemed like a priority at that point. Great hike and good to get out of the Phoenix heat. It was about 70 degrees at the end of the hike, and I was greeted with 113 by the time I got back to my house a couple hours later.
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May 20 2017
joebartels
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 Joined Nov 20 1996
 Phoenix, AZ
Highline - Rim View Fail - Webber - Donahue, AZ 
Highline - Rim View Fail - Webber - Donahue, AZ
 
Hiking avatar May 20 2017
joebartels
Hiking24.85 Miles 5,143 AEG
Hiking24.85 Miles   11 Hrs   40 Mns   2.37 mph
5,143 ft AEG   1 Hour   10 Mns Break14 LBS Pack
 
1st trip
Bruce had a medium and large loop option. A hunter tricked us with a slew of coyote calls only 1.6 mi into the hike in the well groomed forest. The Highline/AZT rolled like a highway so I opted for the longer option with Rim View Trail.

Rim View Trail
Started off cool and looked promising. Tall stakes led the way. We went over a slick rock area. Then it got fuzzy in a ravine with lots of downfall. Around another bend and the stakes began to fade. Hanks route was getting into thicker stuff with small cairns. Backtracked a tad and searched out the stakes. They were taking us high up and nothing was looking promising. Bruce wanted to turn the ship around and my leg shouldn't be in this terrain yet so the decision to head back was easy.

West Webber Trail
Dreamy as always. Temps dropped into the low sixties and shade of the pines took over.

Synopsis
Only encountered 6 people. 1 hiker finishing as we started. 2 runners on #31. 2 camping near Geronimo. 1 camping at the Pine TH.

Mostly great temps, toasty midday. We'll get the Rim View Trail another day. Longer hike, not difficult.

Pacific Rose apples are bomb diggity! Had an October carmel apple feel, sans carmel... smooth, consistent flavored, pure joy, no regrets
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Milk Ranch Point - Webber Tank
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water report recorded in the field on our app Route Scout Creek is running definitely over a gallon a minute

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water report recorded in the field on our app Route Scout Good clear flow in the creek
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The_Eagle
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63 male
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 Far NE Phoenix,
Highline - Rim View Fail - Webber - Donahue, AZ 
Highline - Rim View Fail - Webber - Donahue, AZ
 
Hiking avatar May 20 2017
The_Eagle
Hiking25.03 Miles 5,020 AEG
Hiking25.03 Miles   11 Hrs   39 Mns   2.37 mph
5,020 ft AEG   1 Hour   4 Mns Break14 LBS Pack
 
1st trip
Me and my squad of one, launched from the Pine TH on a glorious Saturday morning.

This was my first time on this portion of the re-routed Highline #31, since starting the AZT in 2010. It was a clear and pleasant jaunt all the way to the Geronimo TH on this well manicured track. One AZ Black buzzworm woke us up about 5 miles in, sunning itself in the trail. We lounged in the shade by the babbling Webber Creek before continuing on the Highline.

The plan was to loop on the Rim View Trail - BSA, using a 4 year old @Grasshopper/ @Tough_boots track. It started out easy enough following the trail and metal poles. This was probably some scouts work for a merit badge. I don't think it's seen any love since it completion. 1 mile in, we lost the poles and any sign of a trail. We searched higher than the track and found one last pole. In shorts and wasting time with 3ish miles left into the unknown, we retreated.

The Highline back to Gerinimo #240 and the to the gem of the hike, East Webber #289. The forest is beautifully thick with maples. As an added treat, the creek was running up to and past where this trail meets up with the BSA Milk Ranch Trail. After this intersection, the trail gets...steep. We bagged the top a bit after 5pm.

First time on the Donahue #27. Clear and OK up top, gets a bit tight and rocky at the bottom. It was good to be back on the Highline superhighway to the TH.

Great weather in the Rim country made this a good one for me.
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Pine Spring Red Rock Spring
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water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water 4 out of 5 Geronimo Spring Gallon + per minute Gallon + per minute
water report recorded in the field on our app Route Scout Water running over trail is best source

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Water running over the trail. You could filter if you had to.

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Catchment is full. Murky, but filterable.

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Running all the way up to and past the BSA Trail.

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Jul 29 2016
The_N
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33 male
 Joined Mar 18 2015
 Payson, AZ
Milk Ranch Point Loop, AZ 
Milk Ranch Point Loop, AZ
 
Hiking avatar Jul 29 2016
The_N
Hiking14.83 Miles 3,545 AEG
Hiking14.83 Miles   5 Hrs      3.02 mph
3,545 ft AEG      5 Mns Break
 
Stepped out for one of my favorite Rim Country loops this a.m. Went clockwise, although I'd recommend CCW this time of year. Lots of rocky terrain today, aside from the recently cleared segment of Highline around the Donahue junction. #294 is like a mini Y-Bar. I'd forgotten how much I like Donahue. It offers a nice climb up the rim then flattens out through a pine forest before ending at MRP Rd. West Webber #228 is always the highlight of this loop. There's plenty of shade under those old growth Maple & Oak trees and a reliable water source in the creek. Raspberries are already gone, unfortunately. Spooked a large herd of elk on Geronimo and could later hear them calling to each other for several minutes, which was kind of cool. By the time I jumped on Highline, the 62 degrees I started in was now 90 degrees with nearly zero shade, as much of the Western Highline is. I ended up using a water bottle I picked up off the trail to collect water at Pine Spring to dump on my head. Finished up back at Red Rock Spring TH. Distance of this loop is slightly shorter now due to a Highline/Donahue re-route. Overall it's a great loop that allows you to sample a handful of trails while offering great views, diverse flora, abundant fauna & a lush shaded oasis along West Webber.
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Muddy seep under tall grass.

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A few inches of water on the bottom of the spring box.

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water less than maxwater less than max West Webber Creek Light flow Light flow
Steady trickle. Occasional pools.
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Apr 06 2016
azdesertfather
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 Tucson, AZ
Highline Trail #31Payson, AZ
Payson, AZ
Hiking avatar Apr 06 2016
azdesertfather
Hiking53.44 Miles 9,735 AEG
Hiking53.44 Miles   23 Hrs   51 Mns   2.69 mph
9,735 ft AEG   3 Hrs   57 Mns Break
 
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The Highline ... something I've done many parts of but never done the whole thing, start to finish. Finally, it was the time to check it off the list. What's more, every time I have hiked the Highline, I have been rained or hailed on...this time was no exception. Took a friend with me who also wanted to do it.

Day 1: Pine TH to Bray Creek
Started out in the afternoon, leaving Pine TH about 2:15pm. Shortly after starting, we ran into Rob, the first of 2 AZT through-hikers encountered on this trip. Rob had started in Mexico on Mar. 4. Made our first and only wrong turn early on here, accidentally getting on the Donahue Trail that heads up to Milk Ranch Point. Didn't lose a lot of time, maybe a mile. Passed Geronimo TH at 6:15. Later in the afternoon, before dark, saw our first deer and elk. We wanted to camp at the East Verde by Washington Park TH, but our late start prevented us from getting there. Little slow going, my friend was nauseated, but we figured a good night's sleep would cure it. We finally made it to Bray Creek about 8:30pm with our headlamps and decided to settle for it. Bray was almost dry, just a few shallow puddles, but there were two black pipes running from up the creek, paralleling it, rushing all the water downhill for someone else. It's odd to be right next to water flowing so strong you can hear it flowing in your tent, but because it's in a black pipe you can't get a drop of it. Finished Day 1: 13.12 mi, 2820aeg, 6hr 15min, 1:09 break.

Day 2: Bray Creek to Hatchery TH
Started out from Bray Creek at 7am, made it to Washington Park TH by 10:10. Interesting, found a nice, new 6pt elk antler sitting on the trail. Between Dude and Bonita Creeks we ran into two surveyors with VOAZ (Volunteers of Outdoor Arizona). Really nice guys. They said they live in Scottsdale but drive up every week to do this surgery work, as they are looking for ways to improve the trail and its route. Apparently their organization has been doing this for a while now (you can read about it by going to www.voaz.org and under "Get Involved" you'll find the "VOAz Highline Project"). There is even info there in case you want to help volunteer with part of the project. They have already pretty much finished work from Hatchery TH to 260 TH, and this day wanted to do work between Dude Creek and the 144 Control Road. It turned out to be a blessing that we ran into them, because we left them and by the time we made it to the Control Road, where their truck was parked, my friend was ready to bow out. He'd been feeling sick again most of the day, and decided to hang back and beg for a ride out. We made a contingency in that, if he couldn't get them to give him a ride out, that he would hang out at nearby Perley Creek until I finished the Highline and could come back for him the following day. Wasn't crazy about the idea, but there weren't any other decent options, we were kind of at the ½way point, his truck was at Pine TH and mine at 260 TH. With that, I decided to head on to Hatchery TH, our intended destination for the night. Speeding it up and without taking as many breaks, I made it to Hatchery just after dark at 7:20. Just before dark, I ran into another AZT thru-hiker, who had started in Mexico in February and had decided to detour from the AZT to do the entire Highline and was on his way back, nice guy. Ran into several more deer and elk and even an owl near dusk. Finished Day 2: 22.09 mi, 3805aeg, 12hr 22min, 2:40 break.

Once I arrived at Hatchery TH, I realized there weren't really any good options for pitching a tent, but I pitched the tent here anyway in some thick grass next to the parking lot anyway in case my friend actually did get a ride back to his vehicle and showed up. About 45 minutes after I had pitched my tent and was eating a dinner of Pringles and peanut butter (oops, he had the stove) ... he drove up. The volunteer surveyors did have compassion on him, plus he offered them $40 for the ride to treat them to a nice dinner before heading back to Scottsdale for the night. Now that he had a vehicle, and I had put 22+ miles in with a heavy backpack, I wanted more protein than my Mountain House had to offer, so he drove us into Payson for a late night Arby's run. Ahhh...chicken cordon bleu! Hearing that a storm was rolling in at midnight, I decided to ditch the tent and just slept in the truck.

Day 3: Hatchery TH to 260 TH
Woke up about 5:30am, tossed out the idea of having him join me for part of the conclusion of the hike (Hatchery to See Canyon, or See Canyon to 260), but he was done done. He was not wanting to push it again, plus he was concerned about the trail being muddy and the threat of the storm ramping back up for the day, mostly by 11am. With 17 miles to go, I decided if I just ditched my gear, I could run it and beat the storm. So he graciously brought my gear back to Tucson while I took a 1 liter Gatorade bottle with water, an umbrella, my GPS and my SPOT and took off, at 6am. The morning was fabulous. It was a little muddy but not bad. Hatchery to See is the best section of the trail, if you ask me; love this section. Made it to See Canyon TH by 9:10am, the only place I saw someone else today on the trail, a guy on a four wheeler at the trailhead. Once 10am hit, with 4 miles to go to the 260 TH, the rain started and quickly turned into hail. I thought to myself, how ironic. It was on this same segment of trail 8 years ago while doing the Mogollon Rim Vista Loop that I was in my most dangerous situation ever on a hike [ triplog ] , a monsoon hailstorm with lightning popping everywhere, and not having the gear to protect myself. After about 15 minutes, once I had had time to reminisce the last hailstorm, it let up, and I had clear skies the rest of the way to the end. Made it to the trailhead at 11:15am, with the storm kicking in 10 minutes later. Finished Day 3: 18.23 mi, 3110aeg, 5hr 14min, 0:08 break.
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Wildflowers Observation Light
mostly from Hatchery TH to 260 TH.

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water less than maxwater less than max Big Canyon Creek @ Highline Light flow Light flow
no algae buildup

water 1 out of 5water less than maxwater less than maxwater less than max Bray Creek @ Highline Pools to trickle Pools to trickle
mostly empty because two black pipes upstream are taking all the water and flowing it downhill

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water less than max Christopher Creek Medium flow Medium flow

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water less than maxwater less than max Dick Williams Creek Light flow Light flow

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water less than max Dude Creek @ Highline Medium flow Medium flow
Good and clear

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water less than max East Fork Horton Creek Medium flow Medium flow
strong, clear flow

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water less than max East Fork of Chase Creek @ Highline Medium flow Medium flow
clean, nice, moderate flow

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water less than max East Verde River @ Highline Medium flow Medium flow
Good average flow

water 1 out of 5water less than maxwater less than maxwater less than max Ellison Creek @ Highline Pools to trickle Pools to trickle
Was some water but stagnant and covered with algae

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water less than maxwater less than max Geronimo Spring Quart per minute Quart per minute

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water less than max Horton Creek Medium flow Medium flow
really nice flow

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water less than maxwater less than max North Sycamore Creek @ Highline Light flow Light flow
nice, clear, moving flow

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water less than maxwater less than max Perley Creek @ Highline Light flow Light flow
Not a lot, but what was there was good and clear

water 1 out of 5water less than maxwater less than maxwater less than max Pine Spring Dripping Dripping
along the ground, ground wet but not easy to get water

water 1 out of 5water less than maxwater less than maxwater less than max Red Rock Spring Dripping Dripping
dripping but cement tank full, water clear and good


water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water less than maxwater less than max West Fork Tonto Creek Light flow Light flow
Not a lot but enough to filter a supply, mostly clear

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water less than max West Webber Creek Medium flow Medium flow
good, clear water
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Oct 12 2015
The_N
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33 male
 Joined Mar 18 2015
 Payson, AZ
Milk Ranch Point Loop, AZ 
Milk Ranch Point Loop, AZ
 
Hiking avatar Oct 12 2015
The_N
Hiking15.20 Miles 3,797 AEG
Hiking15.20 Miles   4 Hrs   54 Mns   3.20 mph
3,797 ft AEG      9 Mns Break
 
Had to take advantage of great weather and hit one of my rim country favorites. It was a tad warmer than I anticipated but the clear, sunny skies made for great views. Every tank, spring and creek had more water present than my previous trip. Enjoyed a nutrition break along Webber Creek. It's still a little early for fall foliage down there and mostly green. Some of the younger Oaks and Maples next to the trail are starting to change. About 2 weeks from now the canyon will begin to light up with reds and yellows, I'll be sure to return then. I saw plenty of elk and even got close to a juvenile grazing near Geronimo. Other than the wildlife, I didn't see a soul on any of the trails all day.
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Autumn Foliage Observation Light

water 1 out of 5water less than maxwater less than maxwater less than max Pine Spring Dripping Dripping
Still a muddy seep but more water flowing across the trail than usual.

water 1 out of 5water less than maxwater less than maxwater less than max Red Rock Spring Dripping Dripping
Only a few inches in the bottom of the spring box but it's clear.

water 1 out of 5water less than maxwater less than maxwater less than max Turkey Spring Dripping Dripping
Decent amount of water running down its drainage and across the trail.

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water less than maxwater less than max West Webber Creek Light flow Light flow
Flow has increased since my last visit. Pools to filter from.
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Aug 16 2015
The_N
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 Joined Mar 18 2015
 Payson, AZ
Milk Ranch Point Loop, AZ 
Milk Ranch Point Loop, AZ
 
Hiking avatar Aug 16 2015
The_N
Hiking15.58 Miles 3,844 AEG
Hiking15.58 Miles   6 Hrs   5 Mns   2.99 mph
3,844 ft AEG      52 Mns Break
 
Another late start, another warm hike. It was a sudden and unplanned trip so I went with a familiar loop. Although the extreme heat warning didn't extend to this region, it was by far my hottest rim country hike of the summer. Temps reached 95 degrees and there was no break from the sun. Heading up Donahue I questioned myself once or twice but knew that Webber Creek wasn't far and soon I'd be cooling off. I appreciated every morsel of shade. Once at the creek I found a nice little shaded pool and soaked in it while enjoying an extended nutrition/rehydration break. The creek was lined with coneflowers and columbines. I filtered 3 liters of water and drenched all of my clothes before leaving. I knew the very sun-exposed, mid-afternoon section of Highline I had awaiting me. By the time I reached Pine Spring, it looked like an oasis. Shade, tall green grass and although it's nothing more than a muddy seep covered in elk tracks, I was glad to have found water. Using an empty water bottle, I widened a small trench and funneled water into the bottle to pour over my head and soak my shemagh to keep wrapped around my head and neck. Certainly great views along this segment of Highline, but at the cost of being totally exposed to the sun. After Pine Spring I seemed to have found a 'second wind' and set a good pace I kept up with until I reached the Red Rock Spring TH finish. Overall it was an enjoyable hike. Physically my body responded to the stress of heat and sun better than I could've imagined (other than a few small sunburn spots). I drank 6 liters of water during the hike and was well hydrated before starting out, a decision that paid off well. Although I did hike on an empty stomach until reaching Webber Creek which was probably not a good idea. Didn't see much wildlife today, aside from a lone adolescent white tail. Encountered one other hiker about 1.5 miles in but that was it. Used Route Scout for the first time and all went well. I like that it keeps recording in background and the split stats for every mile. I used this feature as a reminder to slow down a little and not get overheated. I also liked that it notified me when my battery was getting low, cool feature. Hit THAT Brewery for a black bean burger and AZ Trail Ale immediately afterwards to replenish some much needed calories. Another good day in Rim country.

water 1 out of 5water less than maxwater less than maxwater less than max Pine Spring Dripping Dripping
Muddy seep, but water was present

dry Red Rock Spring Dry Dry
Trough was dry. Nothing dripping.

water 1 out of 5water less than maxwater less than maxwater less than max South Fork of West Webber Creek Pools to trickle Pools to trickle
Dry at crossing. Turns to a trickle

dry Turkey Spring Dry Dry
Old trough was dry, didn't investigate further down trail.

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water less than maxwater less than max West Webber Creek Light flow Light flow
Small pools to filter from
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Jul 11 2015
The_N
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Milk Ranch Point Loop, AZ 
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Hiking avatar Jul 11 2015
The_N
Hiking15.05 Miles 3,614 AEG
Hiking15.05 Miles   5 Hrs   25 Mns   2.88 mph
3,614 ft AEG      11 Mns Break
 
Took advantage of some awesome weather this A.M. and hit one of my favorite Rim Country loops. Started from Red Rock Springs TH (72 degrees) and went in a clockwise direction. Headed up Donahue and across Milk Ranch Rd. to West Webber and down to the creek. This is the most appealing section of this loop because of the lush green environment and the presence of water and wild berries. A group of 4 hikers passed me going the other way as I stopped to gather a handful of raspberries along the creek. I continued onto Turkey Spring before taking a side trail across the creek and meeting up with Geronimo. Next it was back onto Highline. Not my favorite section of this trail terrain wise but the views are great. There isn't much tree cover but the clouds had moved in by then and when coupled with the breeze made this segment of Highline rather enjoyable. Sometime before Pine Spring I spooked a rattler on the trail. Managed to snap a pic as it retreated under a rock. The rest of the hike was uneventful and the home stretch went by quickly. Beautiful day in Rim Country, great hike and all trails were clearly marked and in good shape except for the Red Rock Springs TH where both signs are currently missing.

water 1 out of 5water less than maxwater less than maxwater less than max Pine Spring Dripping Dripping
Water trickling across the trail down to a puddle.

water 1 out of 5water less than maxwater less than maxwater less than max Red Rock Spring Dripping Dripping
Trough was half full. Larvae were enjoying the morning sun.

dry Turkey Spring Dry Dry
Box was bone dry. Didn't investigate further down the trail.
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