In response to Hoffmaster's reply:

You can get permits at some of the gas stations in Globe. They are charging $20 a day/per person!!

wow, thats rich for a day hike.

busy that weekend but I am interested in whats going on with that trail. Can you get in there without a guide? Hike just to the water fall? I know the trail says that sportmans warehouse is supposed to be selling permits now that the shop is closed but last october they hadn't started selling them y...

Does anyone have coordinates for the mine on this trail. I've hiked it twice and haven't been able to spot the redish rock indicating the entrance.

Thanks

the rappel is more of a rope assisted downclimb? I want to take some people here but I have never been myself. I rockclimb and could easily rappel but I'm not so sure about the other folks and was worried about the quantity of harness needed. what kind of angle is the 'rappel' wall at? you don't nee...

I was looking to go back to Cibecue Creek for a day trip and possibly take some new people out there as well. I'm not sure how everyone would feel about the $15 per person (so i hear) permit. Is this the current price? Does anyone have any recomendations for other similar trails. I was looking at Sa...