For about 4-6 months after the rockslide it was closed at tortilla flats. Then the closure was changed to the top of FCH as the rest of the way to the top of Fish Creek Hill was cleared and reopened (I don't really think much clearing was needed.) It has been closed at the top of FCH for perhaps 1.5...

Care to explain? I am unfamiliar with the exploitation or detrimental impacts to you refer to, and kind of doubt that "Sedona" as a township, is exploiting the forest. Perhaps you have a beef with individual companies or entities? Sedona has many businesses which cater to tourism due to the nice sce...

And in certain places, such as Fossil Springs, I think the Forest service has demonstrated taking even further steps in terms of policies of preventing overuse.

@Chums: Managing forest access is another responsibility of the FS in addition to managing the forest usage. And the FS does have policies, such as stay limits, and group limits, at least, in many places. I'm glad they are considering alternative access means (e.g. shuttle service) rather than just ...

The Mazatzals are huge. For just your next trip, there are scattered remaining pine trees at the top saddle of the Barnhardt trail, a cluster of pines near Horse Camp seep, and some small scraggy trees near Chilson camp, all junipers if I recall. There are also some pine trees on Y-bar below the sad...

I believe I've seen several instances that refute the post you are referring to. Plus ADOT (az511) still shows the closure just after the marina (still well short of Reavis North access).

No matter how many lanes you have, if people insist on driving 55 in a 75 zone and refuse to yield their lane, it won't help the traffic..

If you build it, they will come. When too many people come and behave badly, then you close it or restrict it. Surprised they didn't go with the restriction/permit option given the investment.

I think you are referring to 1438 to 1438B which gets you onto the ridge. The FR 415 extension of 1438 seems to be designated for closure under the proposed motor vehicle use plan but can always still be hiked as an exit route if you see a closure sign. Barnhardt rd is 419, which involves hiking up ...

@nonot Those are great points. I don't mind getting a little wet or having to hunker down for a short amount of time. I guess my big question is how gnarly can a monsoon get up around 6,000'-8,000'? There is nothing particularly different from a monsoon at 6-8k elevation in Arizona than there is fo...

@nonot My obvious disagreement with closures or even limited access ... Its usually the people not calling for rescues and usually the people most capable of recreating in extreme heat etc that are hurt the most. Agree, I dislike permits and closures, but I unfortunately do have to admit that permi...

@friendofThundergod At least for now they are not talking of closing the trails permanently. " I can't wait for those gates to go in at the top of the Grand Canyon to prevent hiking below the rim on the 100 or so days of year a heat advisory is issued. :lol:" FYI there is the permit system they are...

current forecasts have a 30%-40% chance of Thunderstorms over Friday-Saturday. At what percentage would you consider bailing on Saguaro and finding an alternate trip You may want to explain the reasons you would choose to bail. Pretty much every day of monsoon season is going to match that forecast...

@chumley
Yes, that was my original post. Nomadic animals need to move away from ECC to find water during drought years, which is why I am hypothesizing/suggesting the bighorn could have migrated over to WCC from ECC.

@chumley While there is some water that seeps through the dam, which is what I think you are referring to in terms of "outflow going downstream", SRP is withdrawing water from the reservoir at all times they can (up to 35 cubic feet/second per published data.) To my knowledge there is no pump that ...

Lower ECC / Leonard Canyon would seem to be a good home for a bighorn herd, but is not suitable during a sustained drought. During a drought, the water diversion of the Craigin reservoir would probably force that herd leave the area in search of actual reliable water (such as moving over into West C...

RedRoxx44 wrote: ↑Aug 15 2021 3:32 am https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021 ... ket-newtab

Was a bit confused at first, but this article has really nothing to do with the LCR, and is about the recovery of Glen Canyon and discussion of its future. Good read! Thanks for posting.

The same thing happened about 2 weeks ago, flash flood damage left between 1-2 feet of mud and debris on the highway for about 5 miles before Miami continuing into the town itself. ADOT had a small army out there. There simply isn't enough capacity in the drainage to handle the post-fire flooding, w...

Looks like a rockslide was caused by the recent rains.
It's a long drive to go around.

Order
https://www.fs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_DO ... 935411.pdf

Map
https://www.fs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_DO ... 935412.pdf

Did you venture past the bridge or find the sinkhole that was reported above? Last time I was up there there was significant erosion damage on the road about a quarter mile past the bridge.