@RedRoxx44 DEI in its pure form is meritocracy. That's the "equity" part. In my experience, the people who feel threatened by DEI are the white males who believe they are entitled to an unfair advantage. I work for a large company that I would say is pro-DEI, and I have never once been to...

@RedRoxx44 Which part of "Diversity, equity, and inclusivity" would you call an old, incompetent white guy? The point of DEI is to give someone else a chance instead of those old bosses. So no, by definition a white guy can't be a "DEI hire" unless we're using a completely arbit...

Jim I'm basically just asking you to provide some evidence for your absurd claim that a "DEI hire" caused this. These are clearly all white men calling the shots here. Do you just use that term as a catch-all for anybody whose ideology doesn't align with your own? Perhaps the problem here ...

Jim NPS calls the shots here, and all responsibility here ultimately bubbles up to the park superintendent. From the MSN article: Smith said he was unable to answer their questions about the fire’s early days because he wasn't there. He was assigned to work on the blaze weeks later, starting July 30...

Jim
Yes, perhaps white male park superintendent Ed Keable, appointed by Trump's administration in 2020, was indeed a DEI hire.

@RedRoxx44 Watch Duty still has the original reporting: July 9 (five days after the fire started) - The fire is located south of the Basin near the W1 Road and continues to be managed for resource benefit objectives using a confine/contain strategy . This means the fire is being allowed to fulfill ...

@FOTG
KP Creek is running from at least a half mile up the north fork from the confluence.

@FOTG Yeah, I think I'm more bummed about the loss of some of that beautiful forest in the North Canyon / East Rim area than the lodge. Best case is the sea of young aspens you see in the old Warm Fire scar (which, incidentally, was also a fire they originally intended to "manage" in dry ...

@shelby147 It is currently closed by virtue of the fact that the National Forest is closed, but I would assume that the closure area should be reduced to just the burn perimeters once the fires are out. I can see N Bass permits being canceled if the NPS intends to maintain their current closure are...

It will likely operate again whenever regular operations return to the the park, but I wonder if the current owners will be able to ride out the downtime, or if it will be a new investor later on. Or maybe the costs will simply be too high for such remote location with a short season. They already ...

Grimey wrote:Nobody suggested that there was "no reason to go up there". Good Lord.

Grimey wrote:If the North Rim closes for a couple years I - and I suspect thousands of others like me - won't be heading that way.

Grimey More often than not, when I headed up there, I didn't even go to the main North Rim area. I've been to Saddle Mountain/Nankoweap TH, North Canyon, Swamp Point, Point Sublime, Tapeats amphitheater in the past 5-10 years, but only stopped by the tourist area once or twice. I would, of course, e...

Jim
Does someone need to explain the purpose of a comma to you?

Both fires on the Kaibab Plateau seem to have exploded overnight, with the White Sage fire at 20k acres and covering most of the northern end of the plateau, and the Dragon Bravo fire now at 5k acres and threatening the N Rim campground and other facilities. The inner canyon is also closed due to co...

@zazizoma
I hiked up Upper Grant Creek late last summer, and while it was overgrown and had a few spots with a lot of debris, I wouldn't say it was anywhere near impassible.

My family has a cabin in the Northwoods area which my great grandfather built, so we were definitely paying attention to this one. It seems the high winds helped it spread fast, but also kept it on the ground, and kept it from spreading up the hill. Will be interesting to see how the Greer Lakes are...

@Ngilbert In addition to the above, in the Mazatzals some of the springs on the west slope are pretty reliable but the trails to get to them are pretty rough. Chilson Spring is good, Horse Camp seep might be a good bet as well, bit out of the way but one of my favorite camps along the divide. There...

@RedRoxx44 The whole "cartel terrorists" suspicion raises all kinds of doubts. First of all, because as others have said, the cartels usually try to avoid hikers as much as possible. Bad for business. But secondly, who calls them "terrorists"? I didn't think cartels were really ...

Charlebois is the only water I'd count on right now based on what I saw a few weeks ago, maybe La Barge Spring but that probably won't help with route options. For a day hike I'd suggest maybe going up Trap Canyon and back down via the Upper La Barge box.

@xsproutx
A little late to the game, but there was definitely water at Charlebois in November. Maybe their scouts didn't know the water isn't right on Dutchman Trail?