Sorry to bump an old topic, but I wanted to renew my question. Anyone been through the lower parts of WCC lately? Any soft beach areas left?

Hey all, I'm sure I'm not alone in thinking West Clear Creek is one heck of a fun & relaxing spot to hike/camp. I've heard from a friend, though, that the creek along the lower half of the 17 trail was absolutely devestated by all the rain we got this winter. Nothing but rocks, rocks, rocks, eve...

Parts of this convo remind me of the old Superstition Mountain stories... Way back when there were still strong suspicions of gold in the Superstitions, everyone would go out there expecting the worst. Anyone else out there, people assumed, must be crazy, so people were extremely "defensive&quo...

Forget LA 76 wrote:Hey, I'm from TN, and have been looking for a good river to canoe.

Hey there... Ever canoed in the Ozarks? Jack Fork, I'm thinking of in specific. I grew up in Kentucky. PM me sometime, I bet we've been to some of the same places!

Arkansas is a pretty wonderous outdoor state though. I like Arizona better as I have been here for 28 years but if you have never been to the Ouachita mountains or the Ozarks you are missing some very incredible country. I have canoed the Buffalo National River and other awesome rivers in Arkansas ...

Bugs were horrible where I grew up & got the camping itch, so I'm pretty solidly a tent camper. I like a bit of the wilderness myself... Maybe set up camp a 20 mins from my car in the early part of a dispersed/trail area (like where all those college boozers camp at West Clear Creek :wink: ), bu...

I think if anything the BSA could reach more young people this way. After all, it does seem like if your not part of the church that sponsors the local BSA program, you're not really a member anyway. SIgh... It sucks that everyone seems to think this out here. Part of the reason I haven't gotten in...

Here's another way to look at it. Sure, on one hand, they've lost a lot of corporate support making the decisions they did. And a lot of people wanted them to make a decision one way or another, particularly after a few key incidents. (I'm not fresh on them, but I remember hearing of them back in th...

one thing i do know, it's a safer and more morally acceptable hobby than say...guns. Huh? Forget the sex vs. violence argument, I'm not trying to get into politics... But that statement just isn't even a parallel comparison. "Hiking nude" is a hobby. "Guns" isn't. Gun collecting...

Nevermind.

I've been reading up on the West Fork opinions on HAZ and I noticed on the map that the Cave Springs campground is a lot closer... like 1/2 a mile from the trailhead? So we'll camp at Cave Springs and walk part of the trail.

I'll bring my camera too.

This might sound stupid, and perhaps should be a seperate post, but I've noticed that several mentioned their concern "about kids" seeing naked people. Is it really that big of a deal? I'm asking, I don't have kids...I'm just wondering if seeing a naked person is a "bad" thing.....

Hi all. Got a question for you. I'm going camping up at Oak Creek Canyon next week with my ex-gf. She's a total newbie at the outdoors so I won't be stressing her with any big hikes, but I'd like plenty of opportunity for her to enjoy the trip. I'd like: * Some light day-hiking from camp. * A little...

I guess I agree that it'd be fine if it were done tactfully... Say, if people were willing to cover up (at least with a towel or something) in the presence of kids. My fear is people aren't going to have that amount of courtesy, so I voted 'No' on the poll. This brings up a question? What is the leg...

Hmm... I've read the whole thread and I decided I'd put my 2¢ in on the "big issue"... Our wives would love for us to get involved with scouts...we've talked about it several times...and can't...on principle. We don't agree with the Scouts policy toward gays. It's not right, and it's discr...

That gives me an idea. Does being part of the boy scouts actually diminish the wilderness experience? Seems to me it might. After all one of my favorite things about the wilderness is that I don't have to share it with a big group of people (usually...) perhaps associating wild-craft with socializi...

I know one thing. They are downright horrible at Fossil Springs, they trample every thing in site and leave fire pits full of melted plastic. It seems to me that at least one troop would take the initiative to clean up. I guess there is too much to pack out. Ugh... Are the scouts bad about that out...

These are some of the few groups left that teach kids such lofty life principles as: integrity, leadership, honesty, trust, goal setting, respect, teamwork, leadership (have I missed anything?) That's a good list, but if you wanna get specific... "Trustworthy, loyal, helpful, friendly, courteo...