$14,000 will cure your Pixel Trivia urges

Personal Topics :: Less Hiking/Outdoors/etc

Moderator: HAZ - Moderators

 Linked Guides none
 Linked Area, etc none
User avatar
joebartels
Guides: 264 | Official Routes: 226
Triplogs Last: 6 d | RS: 1960
Water Reports 1Y: 14 | Last: 8 d
Joined: Nov 20 1996 12:00 pm

$14,000 will cure your Pixel Trivia urges

Post by joebartels »

FALL CITY, Wash. (AP) - Ben Alexander spent nearly every waking minute playing the video game "World of Warcraft." As a result, he flunked out of the University of Iowa.

Alexander, 19, needed help to break an addiction he calls as destructive as alcohol or drugs. He found it in this suburb of high-tech Seattle, where what claims to be the first residential treatment center for Internet addiction in the United States just opened its doors.

The center, called ReSTART, is somewhat ironically located near Redmond, headquarters of Microsoft and a world center of the computer industry. It opened in July and for $14,000 offers a 45-day program intended to help people wean themselves from pathological computer use, which can include obsessive use of video games, texting, Facebook, eBay, Twitter and any other time-killers brought courtesy of technology.

"We've been doing this for years on an outpatient basis," said Hilarie Cash, a therapist and executive director of the center. "Up until now, we had no place to send them."

Internet addiction is not recognized as a separate disorder by the American Psychiatric Association, and treatment is not generally covered by insurance. But there are many such treatment centers in China, South Korea and Taiwan - where Internet addiction is taken very seriously - and many psychiatric experts say it is clear that Internet addiction is real and harmful.

The five-acre center in Fall City, about 30 miles east of Seattle, can handle up to six patients at a time. Alexander is so far the only patient of the program, which uses a cold turkey approach. He spends his days in counseling and psychotherapy sessions, doing household chores, working on the grounds, going on outings, exercising and baking a mean batch of ginger cookies.

Whether such programs work in the long run remains to be seen. For one thing, the Internet is so pervasive that it can be nearly impossible to resist, akin to placing an alcoholic in a bar, Cash said.

The effects of addiction are no joke. They range from loss of a job or marriage to car accidents for those who can't stop texting while driving. Some people have died after playing video games for days without a break, generally stemming from a blood clot associated with being sedentary.

Psychotherapist Cosette Dawna Rae has owned the bucolic retreat center since 1994, and was searching for a new use for it when she hooked up with Cash. They decided to avoid treating people addicted to Internet sex, in part because she lives in the center with her family.

According to Dr. Kimberly Young of the Center for Internet Addiction Recovery in Bradford, Pa., addiction warning signs are being preoccupied with thoughts of the Internet; using it longer than intended, and for increasing amounts of time; repeatedly making unsuccessful efforts to control use; jeopardizing relationships, school or work to spend time online; lying to cover the extent of Internet use; using the Internet to escape problems or feelings of depression; physical changes to weight, headaches or carpal tunnel syndrome.

Exactly how to respond is being debated.

For instance, Internet addiction can be a symptom of other mental illness, such as depression, or conditions like autism, experts say.

"From what we know, many so-called 'Internet addicts' are folks who have severe depression, anxiety disorders, or social phobic symptoms that make it hard for them to live a full, balanced life and deal face-to-face with other people," said Dr. Ronald Pies, professor of psychiatry at SUNY Upstate Medical University in Syracuse, N.Y.

"It may be that unless we treat their underlying problems, some new form of 'addiction' will pop up down the line," Pies said.

There is debate about whether to include Internet addiction as a separate illness in the next edition of the "Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders," due in 2012, which determines which mental illnesses get covered by insurance.

Pies and Dr. Jerald Block, of Oregon Health Sciences University in Portland, said there is not enough research yet to justify that.

"Among psychiatrists there is general recognition that many patients have difficulty controlling their impulses to chat online, or play computer games or watch ****," Block said. "The debate is how to classify that."

Cash, co-author of the book "Video Games & Your Kids," first started dealing with Internet addiction in 1994, with a patient who was so consumed by video games that he had lost his marriage and two jobs.

Internet addicts miss out on real conversations and real human development, often see their hygiene, their home and relationships deteriorate, don't eat or sleep properly and don't get enough exercise, Rae said.

Alexander is a tall, quiet young man who always got good grades and hopes to become a biologist.

He started playing "World of Warcraft," a hugely popular online multiplayer role playing game, about a year ago, and got sucked right in.

"At first it was a couple of hours a day," he said. "By midway through the first semester, I was playing 16 or 17 hours a day.

"School wasn't interesting," he said. "It was an easy way to socialize and meet people."

It was also an easy way to flunk out.

Alexander dropped out in the second semester and went to a traditional substance abuse program, which was not a good fit. He graduated from a 10-week outdoors-based program in southern Utah, but felt he still had little control over his gaming.

So he sought out a specialized program and arrived in Fall City in July. He thinks it was a good choice.

"I don't think I'll go back to 'World of Warcraft' anytime soon," Alexander said.
and don't get enough exercise
guess we can toss that one out the door :sl:

Anybody with a HAZ addition send me a check for half (that's a steal at $7,000) and I'll drop your membership. No 45 day program or wait, quick and on the spot johnny :D
- joe
contribute to this member driven resource
ie: RS > Save/Share after hikes Route Scout GPS Topo Mapper on the App Store Route Scout GPS Topo Mapper on Google Play
User avatar
writelots
Guides: 19 | Official Routes: 3
Triplogs Last: 1,162 d | RS: 3
Water Reports 1Y: 0 | Last: 1,161 d
Joined: Nov 22 2005 2:20 pm
City, State: Tucson, AZ
Contact:

Re: $14,000 will cure your Pixel Trivia urges

Post by writelots »

:sl:

If this is a disease, I don't wanna be cured!
-----------------------------------
Change will not come if we wait for some other person or some other time. We are the ones we've been waiting for. We are the change that we seek.- Barack Obama
contribute to this member driven resource
ie: RS > Save/Share after hikes Route Scout GPS Topo Mapper on the App Store Route Scout GPS Topo Mapper on Google Play
User avatar
SuperstitionGuy
Triplogs Last: 1,597 d | RS: 0
Water Reports 1Y: 0 | Last: never
Joined: Dec 25 2005 8:24 pm
City, State: Queen Creek, Arizona

Re: $14,000 will cure your Pixel Trivia urges

Post by SuperstitionGuy »

joe bartels wrote:
Anybody with a HAZ addition send me a check for half (that's a steal at $7,000) and I'll drop your membership. No 45 day program or wait, quick and on the spot johnny :D
:guilty: as described and unwilling to leave the house to even go on a hike. Just look at how long it has been since I posted a trip or photoset! And as for being anti-social, I guess that is why I wear that stupid Mexican Wrestler Mask! Oh well, at least its better and cheaper to remain addicted to Pixel Trivia than to fork over $14K or even $7K to Joe. So what if it costs me my marriage, children and grandchildren. At least I can still travel all over the world via HAZ without the worry of cold or heat, snow or rain, rattlesnakes or broken ankles and the cost of a four wheel drive vehicle that has to be towed out of some remote but beautiful canyon. After all, you guys and gals are doing all that for me for free! And my wife, kids and grand kids don't have to worry about my never coming home and instead becoming another statistic or cause for a massive ground and air search.

Wait a minute, what am I saying, where is my pack and hiking staff. Lets turn off that computer and get out of here............ :sl:
A man's body may grow old, but inside his spirit can still be as young and restless as ever.
- Garth McCann from the movie Second Hand Lions

Another victim of Pixel Trivia.

Current avatar courtesy of Snakemarks
contribute to this member driven resource
ie: RS > Save/Share after hikes Route Scout GPS Topo Mapper on the App Store Route Scout GPS Topo Mapper on Google Play
User avatar
big_load
Guides: 0 | Official Routes: 1
Triplogs Last: 595 d | RS: 3
Water Reports 1Y: 0 | Last: 2,483 d
Joined: Oct 28 2003 11:20 am
City, State: Andover, NJ

Re: $14,000 will cure your Pixel Trivia urges

Post by big_load »

How much would it cost me to quit cold turkey (Phasianidae, Meleagris gallopavo sp)?
contribute to this member driven resource
ie: RS > Save/Share after hikes Route Scout GPS Topo Mapper on the App Store Route Scout GPS Topo Mapper on Google Play
User avatar
joebartels
Guides: 264 | Official Routes: 226
Triplogs Last: 6 d | RS: 1960
Water Reports 1Y: 14 | Last: 8 d
Joined: Nov 20 1996 12:00 pm

Re: $14,000 will cure your Pixel Trivia urges

Post by joebartels »

At least (2) Gallus gallus domesticus & a LOT of culture!

Oh yeah and you have to forfeit all your points :o
- joe
contribute to this member driven resource
ie: RS > Save/Share after hikes Route Scout GPS Topo Mapper on the App Store Route Scout GPS Topo Mapper on Google Play
User avatar
Al_HikesAZ
Guides: 11 | Official Routes: 14
Triplogs Last: 1,037 d | RS: 0
Water Reports 1Y: 0 | Last: 3,176 d
Joined: May 16 2005 1:01 pm
City, State: Scottsdale, AZ
Contact:

Re: $14,000 will cure your Pixel Trivia urges

Post by Al_HikesAZ »

Hey big_load. Come try Pixel Trivia II version II It's no longer about getting Joe's correct answer, it's coming up with the wittiest wrong answer. We keep score "off the books". Right now SupesGuy is in the lead. I thought I had him with the "Norman Oklahoma Nature Trail" answer, but he rocketed back into the lead with his "Only the shadow knows . . . ". The competition is rough and I keep the score, but if you think you got what it takes, bring it on. : rambo : :gun:

The rule is - if you think it's the wittiest answer you recognize it and don't put the correct answer in. If you don't think it's funny you've got to trump it with a wittier answer.

It's for those of us that can't get enough Pixel Trivia.

ps If you can't think of anything witty to say you can solve it. I think that's why I'm in the lead by Joe's scorekeeping.
Anybody can make a hike harder. The real skill comes in making the hike easier.
life is like a roll of toilet paper. The closer it gets to the end, the faster it goes. Andy Rooney
contribute to this member driven resource
ie: RS > Save/Share after hikes Route Scout GPS Topo Mapper on the App Store Route Scout GPS Topo Mapper on Google Play
User avatar
joebartels
Guides: 264 | Official Routes: 226
Triplogs Last: 6 d | RS: 1960
Water Reports 1Y: 14 | Last: 8 d
Joined: Nov 20 1996 12:00 pm

Re: $14,000 will cure your Pixel Trivia urges

Post by joebartels »

Anarchy could mean closure [-X

Looking back at P I we're almost coming up on two years for "this is an indian"
I gotta put out a shirt, people would really connect... DUDE! :sl: :sl: :sl:
- joe
contribute to this member driven resource
ie: RS > Save/Share after hikes Route Scout GPS Topo Mapper on the App Store Route Scout GPS Topo Mapper on Google Play
User avatar
Grasshopper
Guides: 48 | Official Routes: 143
Triplogs Last: 88 d | RS: 0
Water Reports 1Y: 0 | Last: 812 d
Joined: Dec 28 2006 5:06 pm
City, State: Scottsdale, AZ

Re: $14,000 will cure your Pixel Trivia urges

Post by Grasshopper »

In response to SuperstitionGuy:

Look what I found posted on 7/9 by you:
"Re: Pixel Trivia III
by SuperstitionGuy » Jul 09 2009 9:15 am

Adios amigos, I'm out of here! I just hit the 1,700 mark and am calling it quits

Time to get back to the real world and take care of the wife and family.

With all this political change ( ) I may also be going back to work for $$$$$.

Which reminds me that I have identified five of the 50+ questions. Do I have any bidders....?
:out: :thanx: "

So, what happened after 7/9 to change your mind?? :lol:
(Outside.. "there is No Place Like It!!")
contribute to this member driven resource
ie: RS > Save/Share after hikes Route Scout GPS Topo Mapper on the App Store Route Scout GPS Topo Mapper on Google Play
User avatar
Al_HikesAZ
Guides: 11 | Official Routes: 14
Triplogs Last: 1,037 d | RS: 0
Water Reports 1Y: 0 | Last: 3,176 d
Joined: May 16 2005 1:01 pm
City, State: Scottsdale, AZ
Contact:

Re: $14,000 will cure your Pixel Trivia urges

Post by Al_HikesAZ »

joe bartels wrote:Anarchy could mean closure [-X
Oh all right. SupesGuy - you are officially the winner. :A1:
Looking back at P I we're almost coming up on two years for "this is an indian"
I gotta put out a shirt, people would really connect... DUDE! :sl: :sl: :sl:
I thought you were giving me a clue so I tried Shirt and DUDE! and they didn't work. :(
Anybody can make a hike harder. The real skill comes in making the hike easier.
life is like a roll of toilet paper. The closer it gets to the end, the faster it goes. Andy Rooney
contribute to this member driven resource
ie: RS > Save/Share after hikes Route Scout GPS Topo Mapper on the App Store Route Scout GPS Topo Mapper on Google Play
User avatar
Al_HikesAZ
Guides: 11 | Official Routes: 14
Triplogs Last: 1,037 d | RS: 0
Water Reports 1Y: 0 | Last: 3,176 d
Joined: May 16 2005 1:01 pm
City, State: Scottsdale, AZ
Contact:

Re: $14,000 will cure your Pixel Trivia urges

Post by Al_HikesAZ »

You gotta admit the Norman Oklahoma Nature Trail on #3997 is a good one. I am 100% sure that place is not in AZ.
Anybody can make a hike harder. The real skill comes in making the hike easier.
life is like a roll of toilet paper. The closer it gets to the end, the faster it goes. Andy Rooney
contribute to this member driven resource
ie: RS > Save/Share after hikes Route Scout GPS Topo Mapper on the App Store Route Scout GPS Topo Mapper on Google Play
User avatar
joebartels
Guides: 264 | Official Routes: 226
Triplogs Last: 6 d | RS: 1960
Water Reports 1Y: 14 | Last: 8 d
Joined: Nov 20 1996 12:00 pm

Re: $14,000 will cure your Pixel Trivia urges

Post by joebartels »

You're right, it's in Nevada :o :--:

Truth be told, when somebody actually solves "this is an indian" anarchy might break out on HAZ :scared:
- joe
contribute to this member driven resource
ie: RS > Save/Share after hikes Route Scout GPS Topo Mapper on the App Store Route Scout GPS Topo Mapper on Google Play
User avatar
SuperstitionGuy
Triplogs Last: 1,597 d | RS: 0
Water Reports 1Y: 0 | Last: never
Joined: Dec 25 2005 8:24 pm
City, State: Queen Creek, Arizona

Re: $14,000 will cure your Pixel Trivia urges

Post by SuperstitionGuy »

Grasshopper wrote:In response to SuperstitionGuy:

Look what I found posted on 7/9 by you:
"Re: Pixel Trivia III
by SuperstitionGuy » Jul 09 2009 9:15 am

Adios amigos, I'm out of here! I just hit the 1,700 mark and am calling it quits

Time to get back to the real world and take care of the wife and family.

With all this political change ( ) I may also be going back to work for $$$$$.

Which reminds me that I have identified five of the 50+ questions. Do I have any bidders....?
:out: :thanx: "

So, what happened after 7/9 to change your mind?? :lol:
I couldn't kick the habit but did switch to Pixel Trivia II.

:sorrry:
A man's body may grow old, but inside his spirit can still be as young and restless as ever.
- Garth McCann from the movie Second Hand Lions

Another victim of Pixel Trivia.

Current avatar courtesy of Snakemarks
contribute to this member driven resource
ie: RS > Save/Share after hikes Route Scout GPS Topo Mapper on the App Store Route Scout GPS Topo Mapper on Google Play
User avatar
joebartels
Guides: 264 | Official Routes: 226
Triplogs Last: 6 d | RS: 1960
Water Reports 1Y: 14 | Last: 8 d
Joined: Nov 20 1996 12:00 pm

Re: $14,000 will cure your Pixel Trivia urges

Post by joebartels »

That's like switching to cheap tequila
- joe
contribute to this member driven resource
ie: RS > Save/Share after hikes Route Scout GPS Topo Mapper on the App Store Route Scout GPS Topo Mapper on Google Play
User avatar
SuperstitionGuy
Triplogs Last: 1,597 d | RS: 0
Water Reports 1Y: 0 | Last: never
Joined: Dec 25 2005 8:24 pm
City, State: Queen Creek, Arizona

Re: $14,000 will cure your Pixel Trivia urges

Post by SuperstitionGuy »

joe bartels wrote:You're right, it's in Nevada :o :--:

Truth be told, when somebody actually solves "this is an indian" anarchy might break out on HAZ :scared:
And I have the answer - hands off everyone until my time is up from my two wrong silly answers... :D
A man's body may grow old, but inside his spirit can still be as young and restless as ever.
- Garth McCann from the movie Second Hand Lions

Another victim of Pixel Trivia.

Current avatar courtesy of Snakemarks
contribute to this member driven resource
ie: RS > Save/Share after hikes Route Scout GPS Topo Mapper on the App Store Route Scout GPS Topo Mapper on Google Play
User avatar
Al_HikesAZ
Guides: 11 | Official Routes: 14
Triplogs Last: 1,037 d | RS: 0
Water Reports 1Y: 0 | Last: 3,176 d
Joined: May 16 2005 1:01 pm
City, State: Scottsdale, AZ
Contact:

Re: $14,000 will cure your Pixel Trivia urges

Post by Al_HikesAZ »

SuperstitionGuy wrote:
joe bartels wrote:You're right, it's in Nevada :o :--:

Truth be told, when somebody actually solves "this is an indian" anarchy might break out on HAZ :scared:
And I have the answer - hands off everyone until my time is up from my two wrong silly answers... :D
Ooops - Hands off on which one? Once I knew that one was in Nevada I honed in like a cruise missile - I just couldn't help myself. :scared:

On the "this is an Indian" _____ I've had the answer at least a dozen times. It's just always been the wrong answer. :)
Anybody can make a hike harder. The real skill comes in making the hike easier.
life is like a roll of toilet paper. The closer it gets to the end, the faster it goes. Andy Rooney
contribute to this member driven resource
ie: RS > Save/Share after hikes Route Scout GPS Topo Mapper on the App Store Route Scout GPS Topo Mapper on Google Play
User avatar
big_load
Guides: 0 | Official Routes: 1
Triplogs Last: 595 d | RS: 3
Water Reports 1Y: 0 | Last: 2,483 d
Joined: Oct 28 2003 11:20 am
City, State: Andover, NJ

Re: $14,000 will cure your Pixel Trivia urges

Post by big_load »

I like the concept, but I don't want to run afoul of the management. I apparently got one wrong, though. :D
contribute to this member driven resource
ie: RS > Save/Share after hikes Route Scout GPS Topo Mapper on the App Store Route Scout GPS Topo Mapper on Google Play
User avatar
Al_HikesAZ
Guides: 11 | Official Routes: 14
Triplogs Last: 1,037 d | RS: 0
Water Reports 1Y: 0 | Last: 3,176 d
Joined: May 16 2005 1:01 pm
City, State: Scottsdale, AZ
Contact:

Re: $14,000 will cure your Pixel Trivia urges

Post by Al_HikesAZ »

That is a good one. I was thinking Crotalus hoseanii. Joe will "scrub" it when he realizes what we are doing. :A1: :DANCE:
Anybody can make a hike harder. The real skill comes in making the hike easier.
life is like a roll of toilet paper. The closer it gets to the end, the faster it goes. Andy Rooney
contribute to this member driven resource
ie: RS > Save/Share after hikes Route Scout GPS Topo Mapper on the App Store Route Scout GPS Topo Mapper on Google Play
User avatar
big_load
Guides: 0 | Official Routes: 1
Triplogs Last: 595 d | RS: 3
Water Reports 1Y: 0 | Last: 2,483 d
Joined: Oct 28 2003 11:20 am
City, State: Andover, NJ

Re: $14,000 will cure your Pixel Trivia urges

Post by big_load »

I thought maybe Crotalus, but the head is too narrow.
contribute to this member driven resource
ie: RS > Save/Share after hikes Route Scout GPS Topo Mapper on the App Store Route Scout GPS Topo Mapper on Google Play
User avatar
chumley
Guides: 94 | Official Routes: 241
Triplogs Last: 6 d | RS: 65
Water Reports 1Y: 78 | Last: 7 d
Joined: Sep 18 2002 8:59 am
City, State: Tempe, AZ

Re: $14,000 will cure your Pixel Trivia urges

Post by chumley »

joe bartels wrote:Truth be told, when somebody actually solves "this is an indian" anarchy might break out on HAZ :scared:
But I'll still honor my pledge to buy the beer, so that should help calm at least one person!
I'm not sure what my spirit animal is, but I'm confident it has rabies.
contribute to this member driven resource
ie: RS > Save/Share after hikes Route Scout GPS Topo Mapper on the App Store Route Scout GPS Topo Mapper on Google Play
User avatar
SuperstitionGuy
Triplogs Last: 1,597 d | RS: 0
Water Reports 1Y: 0 | Last: never
Joined: Dec 25 2005 8:24 pm
City, State: Queen Creek, Arizona

Re: $14,000 will cure your Pixel Trivia urges

Post by SuperstitionGuy »

Up early this morning to check on Pixel Trivia II and low and behold 16 out of the 18 pictures on page two were solved last night by non other than big Al_hikesAZ. I think I now understand why he is online 24/7 and is so far ahead of the rest of us.

He never sleeps but only hikes and plays Pixel Trivia because he is a ZOMBIE! :sl:
A man's body may grow old, but inside his spirit can still be as young and restless as ever.
- Garth McCann from the movie Second Hand Lions

Another victim of Pixel Trivia.

Current avatar courtesy of Snakemarks
contribute to this member driven resource
ie: RS > Save/Share after hikes Route Scout GPS Topo Mapper on the App Store Route Scout GPS Topo Mapper on Google Play
Post Reply

Return to “HAZ - Member Related”