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CHUMS Summer HAZfest 2013

Posted: May 21 2013 5:38 pm
by chumley
EVENT SUMMARY: Please join us for a couple of nights of car camping, or stop by for a single night or even just a few hours to say hi and meet fellow HAZers, and maybe catch a glimpse of some meteors.
Just like last year we will gather together for a car camping adventure during the peak of the Perseid meteor shower. Technically the peak is Sunday night, but there should be plenty to see Friday and Saturday too (weather permitting). This event posting is for the social camping aspect only.

HIKING: Hiking will be multi-optional with short drives to various trailhead possibilities. Separate hikes will be set up for different groups of people to join on both Saturday and Sunday to match individual desires and abilities.

IMPORTANT CAMPING INFO: Camping will be adjacent to a sedan-accessible forest road. Due to the number of vehicles anticipated, the actual camp site may be a short walk from where you can legally park your vehicle. Each participant will be responsible for their own camp -- bring your own tent, chair, food, water, etc. This is "dispersed camping" and there are no facilities -- you will be responsible for bringing a shovel and burying waste according to normal forest guidelines. Each participant will be responsible for their own trash collection and removal. Please bring trash bags and plan on bringing your trash back home with you.
A fire will be built and maintained for the group (possibly two fires, with one specifically for cooking). There will be a large area with plenty of room to set up tents.


DIRECTIONS TO HAZFEST: Due to record rains in July, I drove the road on Saturday (in a heavy rain shower) to verify that it is still sedan accessible. In my opinion, it is. However, there are some big puddles along the way which may or may not still be present depending on rainfall between now and then. If you are not comfortable driving on muddy, wet forest roads in your vehicle, please do so at your own risk. I take no responsibility for your ability to get to this location. If you are not comfortable, please turn around. I will provide as much information as possible, but the final decision on where you drive your vehicle is yours and yours alone.

Now then. The location where we will be camped is southwest of Wild Bill Hill. The driving route is marked on this HAZ Map. You may change the layers if you wish. The (default view) "MyTopo" layer shows some of the Forest Road numbers. The "Map" layer is a more traditional Google Maps view, while the "Satellite" layer provides an aerial photograph of the area. If you have questions about how to get there, please post in this forum or contact me via PM.

The text version of the directions are as follows:
From Flagstaff, head west on I-40 about 10 miles.
Take exit 185 (Bellemont) and turn right. (There is a McDonalds, Subway, Motel 6 and Pilot truck stop here. Fuel prices are generally within 1 or 2 cents of the least expensive gas in Flagstaff at this truck stop.)
Turn left onto the frontage road and proceed 0.8 miles.
Just after the cattle guard, turn right onto FR171, a dirt forest road and proceed for 4.4 miles.
Turn left onto FR171C and proceed for 0.5 miles.
Turn right onto FR9003M and proceed 300 yards. (This road has no number sign. It is marked by two reflective yellow stakes with orange ribbons.)
Turn left onto FR9004M and proceed 1.6 miles to camp.

This area is under forest travel rules that limit vehicular travel to 30-feet from the road. We will park adjacent to this road and set up camp on the west side in the shaded ponderosa forest.

Photos of this route as experienced during the absolute peak of possible rain and mud can be seen here. Note these photos are geotagged so you can view their exact location on a map.


DATES: Friday, August 9th through Sunday, August 11th. For now mark your calendar and block off the entire weekend.

WHO CAN COME?: There are no restrictions on participation. However, we will be up late and probably sort of loud. This is not a campground and there is no 10pm lights-out quiet time! This probably isn't a great event for children or folks who don't like good food, adult beverages, guitars, terrible singing of good songs, and lots of laughter ;) (or at least tolerate others who do).

DOGS: Well-behaved and owner-controlled dogs are welcome. Please be courteous and consider other people or other dogs before deciding to bring your dog. Dog owners are responsible for their own pet and following National Forest rules and regulations (leashes required, picking up waste, etc.)

QUESTIONS: May be posted to this thread in the forum or you may send me a PM directly and I will try to respond within a couple of days. Hope to see you there! :)

Re: CHUMS Summer HAZfest 2013

Posted: Aug 03 2013 8:18 pm
by chumley
I only cut dead trees. Green is a pain. But standing dead trees tends to be pretty dry even after lots of rain. Dead and down is almost unburnable. Soggy.

Re: CHUMS Summer HAZfest 2013

Posted: Aug 03 2013 8:45 pm
by Jim
What about the thinning work? Giving back, and all that?


Anyone a sulfite free cider drinker? Anyone going paleo on the trip?

Re: CHUMS Summer HAZfest 2013

Posted: Aug 03 2013 10:21 pm
by outdoor_lover
I'm usually pretty good about getting a Fire started, but had trouble this Week up in the Pinalenos...Everything was very damp, including my newspaper...I don't think I could have started the Forest on Fire if I tried...Couldn't even get one going in the Fire Ring.... :sweat: Something to be said for taking Lighter Fluid I guess...Took me an hour to get one started Thur. night, gave up Wed. night since it was threatening rain anyway....

Re: CHUMS Summer HAZfest 2013

Posted: Aug 03 2013 10:35 pm
by chumley
A chainsaw and axe help a lot. As does gasoline. :D

Re: CHUMS Summer HAZfest 2013

Posted: Aug 04 2013 2:07 am
by nonot
chumley wrote:A chainsaw and axe help a lot. As does gasoline. :D
Bah, cheaters

Re: CHUMS Summer HAZfest 2013

Posted: Aug 05 2013 8:53 am
by laurabalaura
Any of you have done Walnut canyon in its whole lenght?Is there a trail?A lot of water?Hope to do it on Sunday if anybody else is interested

Re: CHUMS Summer HAZfest 2013

Posted: Aug 05 2013 8:56 am
by Sredfield
"This is "dispersed camping" and there are no facilities -- you will be responsible for bringing a shovel and burying waste according to normal forest guidelines."

With ~30+ committed attendees, you might consider a porta potty (before the FS gets wind and requires it). They are maybe $100 delivered and picked up.

Re: CHUMS Summer HAZfest 2013

Posted: Aug 05 2013 9:56 am
by chumley
@Sredfield
We will be in compliance with all FS rules and regulations with regards to group size and facilities.

But I do hope that attendees will be considerate, follow proper protocols, and minimize impact as much as possible.

As a reminder of what everybody is personally responsible for:
• Always use the pack-in/pack-out method for the disposal of litter to keep your Forest clean.
• Please use a digging tool to bury all human and pet waste at least 6 to 7 inches deep.
• Pets are welcome in most areas but must be kept leashed at all times.
• Always practice "Leave No Trace" Outdoor Ethics.
• Please dispose of all garbage, including any paper, can, sewage, waste water or material, or rubbish either by removal from the site or area, or by depositing it into receptacles or at places provided for such purposes. Failure to do so can result in a fine. Please see Title 36 of the Code of Federal Regulations, Subpart A, 261.11(d), under "Sanitation".

Re: CHUMS Summer HAZfest 2013

Posted: Aug 05 2013 10:35 am
by Alston_Neal
Sredfield wrote:
With ~30+ committed attendees, you might consider a pota potty (before the FS gets wind and requires it). They are maybe $100 delivered and picked up.
Before the FS gets wind of it.... ;)
For $69.65........
http://www.bumperdumper.com/bumper2.htm

Re: CHUMS Summer HAZfest 2013

Posted: Aug 05 2013 11:04 am
by gummo
@chumley
• Pets are welcome in most areas but must be kept leashed at all times.
Good luck with that one.

Re: CHUMS Summer HAZfest 2013

Posted: Aug 05 2013 12:42 pm
by beterarcher
@Alston Neal
Kinda pricey for a commode seat and a bucket with three feet of 2X2 square stock steel. I think I'll just stick with me $4.00 shovel

Re: CHUMS Summer HAZfest 2013

Posted: Aug 05 2013 12:45 pm
by Alston_Neal
beterarcher wrote:@Alston Neal
Kinda pricey for a commode seat and a bucket with three feet of 2X2 square stock steel. I think I'll just stick with me $4.00 shovel
No no no that's in lieu of renting a Porta Potty. You could put it on the back of your vehicle and charge emission.

Re: CHUMS Summer HAZfest 2013

Posted: Aug 05 2013 12:45 pm
by moo
I'm planning on coming up Friday afternoon and staying one or two nights. Have been a member of this website for years and looking forward to finally meeting you all! :D

Re: CHUMS Summer HAZfest 2013

Posted: Aug 05 2013 1:01 pm
by big_load
Alston Neal wrote: No no no that's in lieu of renting a Porta Potty. You could put it on the back of your vehicle and charge emission.
That's an excellent turn of phrase. : app :

Re: CHUMS Summer HAZfest 2013

Posted: Aug 05 2013 1:07 pm
by beterarcher
Alston Neal wrote:You could put it on the back of your vehicle and charge emission.
Nice, I never thought of that. What $5.00 a sitting?

Re: CHUMS Summer HAZfest 2013

Posted: Aug 05 2013 1:16 pm
by Alston_Neal
@beterarcher
Thirty plus folks, three days, plus your world class E. coli sushi/chili on Friday night.......I get10%

Re: CHUMS Summer HAZfest 2013

Posted: Aug 05 2013 1:19 pm
by SpiderLegs
Just don't pick up a to go order from these guys: http://www.azfamily.com/news/Bloody-dia ... 53911.html

Re: CHUMS Summer HAZfest 2013

Posted: Aug 05 2013 1:24 pm
by beterarcher
@SpiderLegs
:o :scared: :stretch:

Re: CHUMS Summer HAZfest 2013

Posted: Aug 05 2013 2:38 pm
by outdoor_lover
@SpiderLegs
Oh.... :o I stay away from all of those type places including anything that ends in "berto"...Taco Bell is bad enough.... :sweat: Generally, if I eat Mexican Food, it's from good, established "non fast food" Restaurants....However, if Jack brought back the Monster Taco.... :D

Re: CHUMS Summer HAZfest 2013

Posted: Aug 05 2013 4:19 pm
by Barrett
@chumley
I'll be bringing a low tripod toilet seat, along with a post hole digger on Saturday morning. If the ground is soft, it's a breeze.
The rental sounds like a good idea for privacy, and split 30+ ways, who can refuse.
I'll also bring our residential recycling bin with a trash bag on the side.
It will make the cleanup of the 317 beer cans from the HAZ field display a cake walk. ;)