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Red Rock Springs Trail #294, AZ

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Difficulty 2 of 5
Route Finding 1 of 5
Distance Round Trip 2 miles
Trailhead Elevation 5,395 feet
Elevation Gain 675 feet
Accumulated Gain 683 feet
Avg Time Round Trip 1-2 hours
Kokopelli Seeds 5.42
Interest Off Trail Hiking, Seasonal Waterfall, Seasonal Creek & Peak
Backpack Yes & Connecting
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18  2019-04-10
Red Geronimo Milk
15  2018-09-01
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4  2017-07-08
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9  2016-07-29
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7  2016-01-11 The_N
9  2015-10-12
Milk Ranch Point Loop
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Author Forbesy
author avatar Guides 1
Routes 0
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Trips 4 map ( 24 miles )
Age 31 Female Gender
Location Glendale
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Preferred   Apr, Oct, Mar, Nov → Any
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Sun  6:14am - 6:21pm
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Beautiful trees and a stunning ridgeline
by Forbesy

I started the hike at around 1300, and the sun was still peeking through the beautiful oak and alligator juniper trees. The trail is a slight uphill grade until you meet up with the Arizona Trail #31, with an overall elevation gain of about 700 feet. The manzanita is beautiful this time of year; the red bark offset by the intense green folliage. The oaks are changing colours as well, from green to yellow and some full on red. There are numerous points along the trail which open up to beautiful views of the entire forrest.

I went up on a clear day, and could see for miles and miles. When you reach the actual Red Rock Spring, you have to search for it a bit, as it bubbles up, then goes underground for a ways. There wasn't any water, so make sure and pack plenty for your adventure. I didn't see much animal life, only a few tracks of what I suspect were mountain lion. There were no other hikers/campers, so I had the trail all to myself. It was amazingly quiet, with the wind whisping through the trees. The huge red rocks spilt all around the trail; along the path the fallen rocks paint a landscape of many different brilliant hues of red. This trail was a perfect day-hike excursion for me and my dog. Enjoy :)

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2010-11-20 Forbesy
    WARNING! Hiking and outdoor related sports can be dangerous. Be responsible and prepare for the trip. Study the area you are entering and plan accordingly. Dress for the current and unexpected weather changes. Take plenty of water. Never go alone. Make an itinerary with your plan(s), route(s), destination(s) and expected return time. Give your itinerary to trusted family and/or friends.

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    Red Rock Springs Trail #294
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    Milk Ranch Point Loop
    We started from Red Rock Springs TH and did this loop CCW, I have only done it the other way. Getting the Highline section done early was the aim. Humidity was certainly a factor during the earlier hours, though. Once we reached Geronimo the stream of trail runners would begin. We breaked along West Webber Creek, below Turkey Spring. Had a snack and replenished my water supply that dwindled surprisingly fast. The stroll through old Pine and Maples, dotted with raspberries along the creek, was it's usual delightful self. Before the climb up the rim, we stopped and chatted with some of the trail runners, and let them go ahead of us. The climb up on West Webber was enjoyable. Switch backs and shade was all we could ask for, and we would eventually catch the crew of runners and start down Donahue together after the brief road walk. Once on the lower, steeper reaches of Donahue and back on the Highline, it was getting warm. Thunder in the distance led to clouds overhead and a break from the sun. By the time we started back down on Red Rock Springs, the big drops started to fall and we would finish out in a downpour mixed with hail. Temps dropped about 20 degrees and we were soaked upon reaching the TH. The cool down was much appreciated. Had a great time in Rim Country today.
    Red Rock Springs Trail #294
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    Milk Ranch Point Loop
    Stepped out for one of my favorite Rim Country loops this a.m. Went clockwise, although I'd recommend CCW this time of year. Lots of rocky terrain today, aside from the recently cleared segment of Highline around the Donahue junction. #294 is like a mini Y-Bar. I'd forgotten how much I like Donahue. It offers a nice climb up the rim then flattens out through a pine forest before ending at MRP Rd. West Webber #228 is always the highlight of this loop. There's plenty of shade under those old growth Maple & Oak trees and a reliable water source in the creek. Raspberries are already gone, unfortunately. Spooked a large herd of elk on Geronimo and could later hear them calling to each other for several minutes, which was kind of cool. By the time I jumped on Highline, the 62 degrees I started in was now 90 degrees with nearly zero shade, as much of the Western Highline is. I ended up using a water bottle I picked up off the trail to collect water at Pine Spring to dump on my head. Finished up back at Red Rock Spring TH. Distance of this loop is slightly shorter now due to a Highline/Donahue re-route. Overall it's a great loop that allows you to sample a handful of trails while offering great views, diverse flora, abundant fauna & a lush shaded oasis along West Webber.
    Red Rock Springs Trail #294
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    Part hike, part sled ride for the boy. I dragged him up the trail behind me while he sat in his saucer. Any time he fell out I made him walk a little bit to give me a break. Didn't make it to the spring box. Despite only wearing a t-shirt, I was drenched in sweat and his toes got cold so we set up camp under a Juniper tree and had brunch before heading back down. The trip down was a lot easier for me and a ton of fun for him. Parts of it I ran down while he enjoyed the increased speed. We had a few wipeouts. At the home stretch I just shoved him down the trail and he rode all the way back to the vehicle. Control Rd is in good shape, just a few muddy spots.
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    Milk Ranch Point Loop
    Had to take advantage of great weather and hit one of my rim country favorites. It was a tad warmer than I anticipated but the clear, sunny skies made for great views. Every tank, spring and creek had more water present than my previous trip. Enjoyed a nutrition break along Webber Creek. It's still a little early for fall foliage down there and mostly green. Some of the younger Oaks and Maples next to the trail are starting to change. About 2 weeks from now the canyon will begin to light up with reds and yellows, I'll be sure to return then. I saw plenty of elk and even got close to a juvenile grazing near Geronimo. Other than the wildlife, I didn't see a soul on any of the trails all day.
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    Milk Ranch Point Loop
    Another late start, another warm hike. It was a sudden and unplanned trip so I went with a familiar loop. Although the extreme heat warning didn't extend to this region, it was by far my hottest rim country hike of the summer. Temps reached 95 degrees and there was no break from the sun. Heading up Donahue I questioned myself once or twice but knew that Webber Creek wasn't far and soon I'd be cooling off. I appreciated every morsel of shade. Once at the creek I found a nice little shaded pool and soaked in it while enjoying an extended nutrition/rehydration break. The creek was lined with coneflowers and columbines. I filtered 3 liters of water and drenched all of my clothes before leaving. I knew the very sun-exposed, mid-afternoon section of Highline I had awaiting me. By the time I reached Pine Spring, it looked like an oasis. Shade, tall green grass and although it's nothing more than a muddy seep covered in elk tracks, I was glad to have found water. Using an empty water bottle, I widened a small trench and funneled water into the bottle to pour over my head and soak my shemagh to keep wrapped around my head and neck. Certainly great views along this segment of Highline, but at the cost of being totally exposed to the sun. After Pine Spring I seemed to have found a 'second wind' and set a good pace I kept up with until I reached the Red Rock Spring TH finish. Overall it was an enjoyable hike. Physically my body responded to the stress of heat and sun better than I could've imagined (other than a few small sunburn spots). I drank 6 liters of water during the hike and was well hydrated before starting out, a decision that paid off well. Although I did hike on an empty stomach until reaching Webber Creek which was probably not a good idea. Didn't see much wildlife today, aside from a lone adolescent white tail. Encountered one other hiker about 1.5 miles in but that was it. Used Route Scout for the first time and all went well. I like that it keeps recording in background and the split stats for every mile. I used this feature as a reminder to slow down a little and not get overheated. I also liked that it notified me when my battery was getting low, cool feature. Hit THAT Brewery for a black bean burger and AZ Trail Ale immediately afterwards to replenish some much needed calories. Another good day in Rim country.
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    Milk Ranch Point Loop
    Took advantage of some awesome weather this A.M. and hit one of my favorite Rim Country loops. Started from Red Rock Springs TH (72 degrees) and went in a clockwise direction. Headed up Donahue and across Milk Ranch Rd. to West Webber and down to the creek. This is the most appealing section of this loop because of the lush green environment and the presence of water and wild berries. A group of 4 hikers passed me going the other way as I stopped to gather a handful of raspberries along the creek. I continued onto Turkey Spring before taking a side trail across the creek and meeting up with Geronimo. Next it was back onto Highline. Not my favorite section of this trail terrain wise but the views are great. There isn't much tree cover but the clouds had moved in by then and when coupled with the breeze made this segment of Highline rather enjoyable. Sometime before Pine Spring I spooked a rattler on the trail. Managed to snap a pic as it retreated under a rock. The rest of the hike was uneventful and the home stretch went by quickly. Beautiful day in Rim Country, great hike and all trails were clearly marked and in good shape except for the Red Rock Springs TH where both signs are currently missing.
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    Milk Ranch Point Loop
    It was a cool, breezy day on the rim so I set out for some trail therapy this a.m. Started at Red Rock Spring TH and decided to do the loop in a clockwise direction, a decision that paid off well I believe. Donahue to Milk Ranch Point seemed to be the steepest section, but the view is incredible the entire way up. Planned on lunching once atop Milk Ranch Point but I was in the zone and didn't stop to eat until right before the Geronimo junction at a spot next to Webber Creek. A deer was nice enough to pose for a picture let me pass while standing just feet from the trail. I ran into 3 small groups of elk once on Geronimo but only one group let me snap a pic. I backtracked up Highline to see the Geronimo TH and sign the log since I seemed to be making decent time. All sections of this loop were in good shape and free of trash. Creeks and tributaries were all flowing due to the rain/snow over the weekend. Didn't see anyone else on the trail all day so that was nice.
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    The youngster and I stopped for a little exercise on our way to The Herb Stop in Pine this morning. It was 60 degrees, breezy and the clouds were just rolling over the rim so we couldn't help ourselves. The trail itself is in good shape and easy to follow but is very rocky which makes it excellent training ground for young ankles. The campsites by the spring looked to be well maintained. We wandered down the Highline for a bit on the way back down, stopping to check out campsites for future trips and enjoy a snack with rim country views.
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    Milk Ranch Point Loop
    Started from the Red Rock Spring trail head to hike this loop in a clockwise direction. I have seen this loop posted several times, most recently by Tough_Boots. A couple observations; although steep, Donahue is a pretty nice trail with some great views, West Webber is a great trail and is in much better shape than the last time I hiked it in 2010.

    We saw 5 white tail deer on the top of Milk Ranch Point and had lunch next to a nicely flowing West Webber Creek. Only saw 2 other hikers along the way.

    Great time of the year to do this loop.

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    Map Drive
    FR / Dirt Road / Gravel - Car Okay

    To hike
    From Payson, take the 87N (like you were heading to Pine)about 10.5 miles
    Take a right on Control Road 64
    Follow CR 64 for 2.08 miles, the trailhead will be on the left hand side
    The trail head is clearly marked with signs
    (PS: once on the trail, there is a fork about .3 miles in, I stayed to the left in order to reach AZ trail #31, but there is the option to veer right, although I don't know where or how far it goes)
    page created by Forbesy on Nov 20 2010 10:52 am
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