Redflex Corruption

[Jim]

I got a ticket in the mail yesterday. Here is the "evidence" against me. If I were doing 79 in the 65 as claimed, I would have been in the trunk of the car in front of me. I am car #2 behind the truck. A car from Colorado is passing me, and he may have been going 79, but I don't know. If he was, it looks like I got his ticket.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HH3NTQrE12k

AZDPS and Redflex are clearly lying about the quality control they claim to do, and they have no problems sending a ticket to an innocent victim to help tighten the budget problem and fatten the corporate profits. If they looked at the videos as they claim to do, I never would have gotten this.

Something tells me I am not the first person to whom this has happened. Is anyone interested in starting a class action lawsuit against a company which gathers evidence for the state without a private investigators license, and has profit as its motive behind "law enforcement"?

[CannondaleKid]

While it doesn't affect me if they take them out, personally I never had a problem with their use... yes, even if one of the reasons was to generate income. After all, the cameras weren't entrapment, if you ran a red or were speeding, you had it coming!
:STP:
By the number of folks I see running red-lights as well slicing 4-5 lanes back and forth through traffic on the US60 at 80-90 mph... well, something is better than nothing, and since there isn't funding for more officers on the roads, technology was/is used as that something.

To protect myself in the two above examples, I ALWAYS hesitate a moment to look left-right-left before going on a green, and especially on the US 60, I'm paying more attention to vehicles coming up from behind me than traffic ahead.


BTW, I'm a former driving instructor for what I still consider to be by far the best driver education school in Arizona, N-Control Driving School.

Based on conversations with employees of almost all the other driving schools who wanted to work for N-Control, their job was NOT to educate, but simply to OBSERVE the students and PASS them!

After all, that's what they pay us for, to get a license! which was their mantra (to which I'd add, NOT learn how to drive safely)
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It's no wonder the teen death rate from car accidents in the Valley still continues to be well above average.

Sorry for the wordy diatribe... I'm stepping off the :SB:

P.S. If you have a teen of driving age and seek the BEST driver EDUCATION course, PM me for the number or simply Google "N-Control Driving".
Oh yeah, IMO the most valuable part is the use of a true skid-car to simulate high speed situations at low speeds in a controlled environment.
(Sorry for the commercial plug Joe, but this has can help teens to live long enough to be hikers-for-life.)

[chumley]

El Mirage

I thought we were talking about Arizona. ;)

[trekkin_gecko]

@SpiderLegs
they have to serve you within 120 days
unless you keep getting tickets

[SpiderLegs]

@trekkin gecko Guess it's safe for me to drive through El Mirage again.

[The_Eagle]

Guess it's safe for me to drive through El Mirage again.

Was / is it ever safe to drive through there?

[Alston_Neal]

Guess it's safe for me to drive through El Mirage again.

Yeah it's cool, after all it doesn't really exist.

[Thoreau]

To protect myself in the two above examples, I ALWAYS hesitate a moment to look left-right-left before going on a green,

Sounds like the Smith System class SRP puts most people through. It was a mildly entertaining day on the clock at least =)

[Alston_Neal]

A couple of weeks ago PV put in red light cameras on Tatum at that stupid offset intersection Desert Jewel and Foothills. So we drive this twice a day 6 days a week and got PV figured out and imagine my surprise when passing thru the intersection on green at a slightly elevated "ahem" speed and triggered the camera. Well I guess it's just not a red light camera after all. I'm hoping there will be another car in our photo.

[hikeaz]

A couple of weeks ago PV put in red light cameras on Tatum at that stupid offset intersection Desert Jewel and Foothills. So we drive this twice a day 6 days a week and got PV figured out and imagine my surprise when passing thru the intersection on green at a slightly elevated "ahem" speed and triggered the camera. Well I guess it's just not a red light camera after all. I'm hoping there will be another car in our photo.

Hope so too! The keepers of the traffic ATM's call that 'Speed on Green' - it is a component on most so-called 'Red Light' cameras.

[Alston_Neal]

Hope so too! The keepers of the traffic ATM's call that 'Speed on Green' - it is a component on most so-called 'Red Light' cameras.

Would it have been too much to maybe mention this a couple of days ago?...

[SpiderLegs]

Not that I have ever sped, but those cameras are usually set to go off if you are 11-15MPH over according to my brother the sheriff.

[chumley]

@SpiderLegs Your brother is 54 years older than you!? (Or do I have the wrong sheriff?) ;)
Just be thankful I decided to go with age on this one. Just think of all the other comparisons I could have used...

[Jim]

Paradise Valley the town installs red light cameras? You would think their rich citizens would want to hire more cops, instead of have those useless devices around. I guess they figure the cameras will make them bank on people passing through? Hope none of them have lots of guns and decide to start shoot at random people before getting bored waiting on police to never show up, since camera don't move.

[SpiderLegs]

@SpiderLegs Your brother is 54 years older than you!? (Or do I have the wrong sheriff?) ;)
Just be thankful I decided to go with age on this one. Just think of all the other comparisons I could have used...

Should have clarified, he's a sheriff's deputy, not THE sheriff.

[big_load]

You would think their rich citizens would want to hire more cops, instead of have those useless devices around.

It's all about the money. There's much better ROI on automated ticketing.

[Jim]

Is there a website or location someone can go to find the physical location of all of these devices, and what type they are? So one can avoid that spot.

The only one I ever see is the River Rd and SR 77 (Oracle Hwy) in Tucson. I forget where they are, east Tucson or some place, but I never see them, otherwise. I get the impression these devices are virtually everywhere in the Valley.

BTW, in a state that is already extreme right leaning, and a county (Maricopa) or city (take your pick) that has a reputation in that state for being over the top right wing, the use of big-brotheresque traffic cameras simply blows my mind! I can't understand why people aren't up in arms ( you people have enough of them) tearing down these monstrosities of actual government tyranny.

[Thoreau]

Load Waze onto your phone. Tends to be the most up to date info out there these days.

[chumley]

Load Waze onto your phone.

You're talking to the wrong person. Does Waze work with a rotary dial land line? ;)

[Jim]

http://www.photoenforced.com/phoenix.html#.VV9ghUazk9M

[big_load]

BTW, in a state that is already extreme right leaning, and a county (Maricopa) or city (take your pick) that has a reputation in that state for being over the top right wing, the use of big-brotheresque traffic cameras simply blows my mind! I can't understand why people aren't up in arms ( you people have enough of them) tearing down these monstrosities of actual government tyranny.

Greed and fear are the two things that nearly always trump ideology of any type.