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Appears that the Az. portion likely is.amy1300 wrote:Isn't Paria Canyon in Vermillion Cliffs NM?
I explore up there all the time, going back 30 years. I am unable to see any material differences before/after the NM designation (maybe a few kiosk signs). Most of the Az./Utah sites on the list are very remote - likely not even visited by some who may be the most vocally opposed - and, I would conjecture, likely not visited by the president that established them.amy1300 wrote:@kurt
Thanks for map -- looks like the part down to the Confluence is in Grand Staircase-Escalante, which is also on the Administration's "review" list. So all of Paria-Buckskin is up for grabs, I guess.
You've got this mostly wrong.hikeaz wrote: I explore up there all the time, going back 30 years. I am unable to see any material differences before/after the NM designation (maybe a few kiosk signs). Most of the Az./Utah sites on the list are very remote - likely not even visited by some who may be the most vocally opposed - and, I would conjecture, likely not visited by the president that established them.
Actually, before the BLM started permitting the area (which was years before the NM) you almost NEVER saw anyone in the area, including the wave.
Me too...link shows the nasty things some developer's can get up to. Same guy recently indicted for bribing APS.RedRoxx44 wrote:My fear would be something like the Ironwood so near an urban center would likely be encroached upon by developers. It apparently happened before. Some significant rock art out there.
That's kind of misleading. Yeah, there are 18 (per Wikipedia) national monuments in AZ, and only 4 are due for whatever extralegal sort of cancellation Zinke and Trump have planned. But the area of the 4 monuments being targed is well over 2/3 of the total area of all National Monuments in Arizona (4 monuments = a bit over 2 million acres; remaining 14 = well under 1 million--if someone wants to add up all those areas, go for it).rcorfman wrote:@amy1300
There're a lot more than four national monuments in Arizona. Of all the national monuments in Arizona, only four are being reviewed and those are the four that were requested to be rescinded.
Which in and of itself signifies that those four monuments are probably bloated and should be reviewed.flagscott wrote:But the area of the 4 monuments being targed is well over 2/3 of the total area of all National Monuments in Arizona (4 monuments = a bit over 2 million acres; remaining 14 = well under 1 million--if someone wants to add up all those areas, go for it).