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JimGuides: 73 | Official Routes: 36Triplogs Last: 7 d | RS: 67Water Reports 1Y: 10 | Last: 142 d
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Atmosphere Comparison
The endless chatter of weather.
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Nobody01Guides: 0 | Official Routes: 0Triplogs Last: 22 d | RS: 2Water Reports 1Y: 10 | Last: 111 d
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big_loadGuides: 0 | Official Routes: 1Triplogs Last: 595 d | RS: 3Water Reports 1Y: 0 | Last: 2,483 d
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Re: Atmosphere Comparison
Humidity came to NJ last night, a most unwelcome visitor.
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garyc57Guides: 0 | Official Routes: 0Triplogs Last: 159 d | RS: 26Water Reports 1Y: 0 | Last: 1,430 d
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Re: Atmosphere Comparison
@Jim_H
When I was a kid, we had an apricot tree in the backyard. Oh, the memories!
When I was a kid, we had an apricot tree in the backyard. Oh, the memories!
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JimGuides: 73 | Official Routes: 36Triplogs Last: 7 d | RS: 67Water Reports 1Y: 10 | Last: 142 d
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Re: Atmosphere Comparison
It's July 1st! Which means that the summer solstice has passed, and also that what is or was typically the hottest time of year has, too. At least that was true in years past when Phoenix got to extreme temperatures like 119 in later June of 2017, or even just 117, which I think it did in June of 2016. In fact, checking the Phoenix preliminary climate summary for June, but also May since we got hot early, the hottest it has been is 112, and Phoenix did that in late May and early June, but not since the middle of the month. It still got to 110 and 111 a few times after the middle of June.
This is similar to last summer, when June wasn't all that hot. We then had a failure of monsoon flow, almost no storms or rain, and it ended up being relatively cool for the summer in some ways, but hotter in others. What I mean, is 115 was the hottest Phoenix got all year, but we got to 114 and 115 what seemed like an unusually high number of times in July-August, with no rain at all. Hopefully, there will not be a monsoon failure and temperatures will be relatively moderate from now until fall. You know, most high temperature in the 108 to 110 range, and not the 112 to 119 range.
This is similar to last summer, when June wasn't all that hot. We then had a failure of monsoon flow, almost no storms or rain, and it ended up being relatively cool for the summer in some ways, but hotter in others. What I mean, is 115 was the hottest Phoenix got all year, but we got to 114 and 115 what seemed like an unusually high number of times in July-August, with no rain at all. Hopefully, there will not be a monsoon failure and temperatures will be relatively moderate from now until fall. You know, most high temperature in the 108 to 110 range, and not the 112 to 119 range.
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Alston_NealGuides: 1 | Official Routes: 0Triplogs Last: 107 d | RS: 0Water Reports 1Y: 0 | Last: never
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You've done your annual avatar photo update!Jim_H wrote:It's July 1st! Which means that........
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CannondaleKidGuides: 44 | Official Routes: 47Triplogs Last: 16 d | RS: 0Water Reports 1Y: 3 | Last: 59 d
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And as Homer would say...Alston_Neal wrote: ↑Jul 01 2020 10:38 amYou've done your annual avatar photo update!Jim_H wrote:It's July 1st! Which means that........

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RedRoxx44Guides: 5 | Official Routes: 0Triplogs Last: 7 d | RS: 0Water Reports 1Y: 0 | Last: 6,292 d
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It's here! At least today. Thunder last 10-15 min and some lightning, a little rain, and gloomy skies all around. How I love the monsoon!
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Nobody01Guides: 0 | Official Routes: 0Triplogs Last: 22 d | RS: 2Water Reports 1Y: 10 | Last: 111 d
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I think statewide we'll be in the full swing of things in the next five days or so! 

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DixieFlyerGuides: 99 | Official Routes: 96Triplogs Last: 3 d | RS: 762Water Reports 1Y: 22 | Last: 16 d
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@DmN
not from the forecasts that I have seen
not from the forecasts that I have seen
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Alston_NealGuides: 1 | Official Routes: 0Triplogs Last: 107 d | RS: 0Water Reports 1Y: 0 | Last: never
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My AC condenser is dripping so the Sooners are sneaking in.
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azbackpackrGuides: 27 | Official Routes: 23Triplogs Last: 78 d | RS: 0Water Reports 1Y: 0 | Last: 770 d
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I didn't take my raincoat when riding my road bike from Doney Park to Winona and back today, so that is why it rained and hailed on me. If I had taken my new raincoat, it would not have rained at all.
There is a point of no return unremarked at the time in most lives. Graham Greene The Comedians
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big_loadGuides: 0 | Official Routes: 1Triplogs Last: 595 d | RS: 3Water Reports 1Y: 0 | Last: 2,483 d
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Re: Atmosphere Comparison
I hope it was at least a good temperature for riding wet.azbackpackr wrote: ↑Jul 03 2020 8:18 pm I didn't take my raincoat when riding my road bike from Doney Park to Winona and back today, so that is why it rained and hailed on me. If I had taken my new raincoat, it would not have rained at all.
Summer came to NJ last week, so the heat is catching up to the humidity to make for sweaty walking. At least I've been able to get out a lot in the daytime this year.
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azbackpackrGuides: 27 | Official Routes: 23Triplogs Last: 78 d | RS: 0Water Reports 1Y: 0 | Last: 770 d
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@big_load
Yes, it was warm enough, and it didn't rain hard, thankfully. My main concern was for the cell phone. I put it into layers of several zip loc snack bags I had in my pack.
Yes, it was warm enough, and it didn't rain hard, thankfully. My main concern was for the cell phone. I put it into layers of several zip loc snack bags I had in my pack.
There is a point of no return unremarked at the time in most lives. Graham Greene The Comedians
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chumleyGuides: 94 | Official Routes: 241Triplogs Last: 6 d | RS: 65Water Reports 1Y: 78 | Last: 7 d
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Re: Atmosphere Comparison
NWS Flag posted a graphic this morning showing temps at 4:30am in the Flagstaff area. Fascinating results.
Bellemont 35
Fort Valley 34
Airport 43
Downtown 59
Doney Park 71
A 25 degree difference in 7 miles between Fort Valley and downtown. (400 feet lower elevation)
A 37 degree difference in 13 miles between Fort Valley and Doney Park. (800 feet lower elevation)
Bellemont 35
Fort Valley 34
Airport 43
Downtown 59
Doney Park 71
A 25 degree difference in 7 miles between Fort Valley and downtown. (400 feet lower elevation)
A 37 degree difference in 13 miles between Fort Valley and Doney Park. (800 feet lower elevation)
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Alston_NealGuides: 1 | Official Routes: 0Triplogs Last: 107 d | RS: 0Water Reports 1Y: 0 | Last: never
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Re: Atmosphere Comparison
Doney Park, more open and getting the warm winds coming in from the vast desert to the east?
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chumleyGuides: 94 | Official Routes: 241Triplogs Last: 6 d | RS: 65Water Reports 1Y: 78 | Last: 7 d
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@Alston_Neal
Something like that. Strong inversion layer in the cold spots, and not sure of the direction, but winds in Doney Park kept the warm air at the surface.
Bellemont is often very cold on dry nights. Doney is often breezy on the leeward side of the peaks.
Something like that. Strong inversion layer in the cold spots, and not sure of the direction, but winds in Doney Park kept the warm air at the surface.
Bellemont is often very cold on dry nights. Doney is often breezy on the leeward side of the peaks.
I'm not sure what my spirit animal is, but I'm confident it has rabies.
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big_loadGuides: 0 | Official Routes: 1Triplogs Last: 595 d | RS: 3Water Reports 1Y: 0 | Last: 2,483 d
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Re: Atmosphere Comparison
Those kind of differences usually lead to interesting weather.chumley wrote:A 25 degree difference in 7 miles between Fort Valley and downtown. (400 feet lower elevation)
A 37 degree difference in 13 miles between Fort Valley and Doney Park. (800 feet lower elevation)
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SpiderLegsGuides: 2 | Official Routes: 2Triplogs Last: 8 d | RS: 1Water Reports 1Y: 3 | Last: 63 d
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Re: Atmosphere Comparison
Isn't this about the general time of year that Bellemont is in the running for the cold spot in the U.S. and other spots in Arizona compete for the warmest?
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azbackpackrGuides: 27 | Official Routes: 23Triplogs Last: 78 d | RS: 0Water Reports 1Y: 0 | Last: 770 d
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Re: Atmosphere Comparison
@chumley
There's also a possibility that one or two of those values are inaccurate. Readings taken earlier, but reported later, etc.
There's also a possibility that one or two of those values are inaccurate. Readings taken earlier, but reported later, etc.
There is a point of no return unremarked at the time in most lives. Graham Greene The Comedians
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JimGuides: 73 | Official Routes: 36Triplogs Last: 7 d | RS: 67Water Reports 1Y: 10 | Last: 142 d
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Re: Atmosphere Comparison
@azbackpackr
If the national weather Service went through the trouble of producing a graphic to show the disparities in temperature between locations which were still relatively close together, and not say Arizona versus Montana, I'm pretty sure that they made sure the readings were both accurate and about the same time.
If the national weather Service went through the trouble of producing a graphic to show the disparities in temperature between locations which were still relatively close together, and not say Arizona versus Montana, I'm pretty sure that they made sure the readings were both accurate and about the same time.
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