HAZ Jeep Posse

Daryl · Post by **Daryl** » Aug 04 2003 11:22 am

I notice a lot of folks here have jeeps. We should start the HAZ Jeep Posse.

bzachar · Post by **bzachar** » Aug 10 2003 8:04 pm

Snick33 wrote:How about a nice cruise up Mount Peeley?

Excellent suggestion. The Mazatzals are my favorite area. Just say the word and I'm there.

Bill

RedRoxx44 · Post by **RedRoxx44** » Aug 10 2003 8:58 pm

I noticed with the Aravaipa posting an 84 mile back country route connecting Turkey Creek with the Copper Creek area outside of Mammoth- about two days of remote and challenging driving. When it cools off I'm there. A nice backcountry jeep route with some hiking is in the Chiricahuas called Hands Pass- easy in my jeep but some rocky spots and road wash outs- very scenic- good view of Cochises' head. Right now I am interested in any route with some elevation- (real Jeeps don't have air conditioners- or ones that work anyway).

ADGibson · Post by **ADGibson** » Aug 10 2003 9:12 pm

Greg Jackson wrote:CindyC, DoFear kind of got it right... stock Tacoma TRD with mud TA's.

Kind of cool that you can buy a truck with a push-button rear locker straight from the dealer.

My biggest fear is inflicting more damage than I owe on the thing.

I also have an '84 Toy w/ dual Webber side drafts, off road only, sitting in my side yard. I need to put it up on the for sale board. But I'm kind of lazy...

Is the Tacoma 4WD?

Daryl · Post by **Daryl** » Aug 11 2003 6:41 am

I agree with reddrox. The AC on my jeep is in the proccess of being turned into an air compressor (anyone know where I can get an old scuba tank cheep?) so nothing around here for awhile.

When it cools off, the coke ovens is a good trip. The Mt Peely trip sounds like fun, but I'd probably bring my stock 4runner for that. Anywhere to camp on Mt Peely?

GeorgAZ · Post by **GeorgAZ** » Aug 11 2003 7:20 am

I could use a 4wd lesson. My stock '89 Toy 4wd xtracab has not been offroad in 2 yrs. It is slightly lifted and a strong vehicle. The last two roads were Crown King to Prescott and 4 Peaks. I was alone, but stopped some people and asked if I copuld follow them, just in case! I know Toys are more than capable od pretty hairy situations , but the longer wheel bed is tricky. Never wanted to get into a situation I couldn't get out of!

hoppy47m · Post by **hoppy47m** » Aug 11 2003 9:56 am

Never wanted to get into a situation I couldn't get out of!

Best to go with someone who can pull you out. I should have listened to that advice myself yesterday. I went up on top of Mingus mountain and followed a road I wanted to check out. It was great until I hit a rock slide that covered the road with 4 foot boulders, my jeep is NOT a rock crawler and backing out of that for almost 1/2 mile was the pits.

mttgilbert · Post by **mttgilbert** » Aug 11 2003 10:37 am

Daryl you should have askded for the scuba tank a week ago, I know someone who was getting rid of one. I would have taken it for myself, but I am having problems finding an A/C compressor that will match the brackets in my truck. Originally a/c wasn't even an option for the straight six but later they started including it. Unfortunately most people didn't think it was necessary so here I am stuck without onboard air

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if anybody has a line on an appropriate compressor, or someone who knows the custom bracket business, let me know.

Daryl, I'll keep my eye out for another scuba tank, sometimes they have them at the thrift store.

HikerInGilbert · Post by **HikerInGilbert** » Aug 11 2003 10:59 am

matt gilbert wrote:Daryl you should have askded for the scuba tank a week ago, I know someone who was getting rid of one. I would have taken it for myself, but I am having problems finding an A/C compressor that will match the brackets in my truck. Originally a/c wasn't even an option for the straight six but later they started including it. Unfortunately most people didn't think it was necessary so here I am stuck without onboard air .
if anybody has a line on an appropriate compressor, or someone who knows the custom bracket business, let me know.

Daryl, I'll keep my eye out for another scuba tank, sometimes they have them at the thrift store.

Being a GM man for decades, I'll put my .02 in here (wanted or not)...

Hmmm. I love challenges like this. Just remember Matt, along with that goes condenser, evaporator, accumulator, hoses, wiring, etc etc. The bracket thing is the least of your worries. The good thing I guess, is that some older Heep parts are interchangeable with GM stuff.

Believe me, it's easier to just find something with it all in place if you're serious. Off the one you have.

Daryl · Post by **Daryl** » Aug 11 2003 11:05 am

DOH! A scuba tank will fit perfect above my drive shaft, in front of the rear axle.

York compressors work great for on board air. There are places on the net that sells kits to make them fit too. The problem is finding a york compressor...

I had stock AC on mine, but just about everything but the compressor was broke so I ripped it all out. I'll just need to figure out a way to lube the compressor.

hoppy47m · Post by **hoppy47m** » Aug 11 2003 11:39 am

CO2 tanks are another alternative, they are generally smaller than a dive tank and come in different configurations. They can be picked up at your local coca-cola distributor, you may even find that a bar might have an old one laying around. But be sure to have it tested for pressure integrity. Also, oxygen tanks will work and will take a very high pressure.
CO2 tanks are a standard 800psi regardless of whether they are full or only have an ounce of liquid CO2 left in them. They can be refilled at any beverage wholesaler or can be filled with air via a small 130psi electric air compressor outfitted with a pressure switch, and a pressure gauge mounted in the dash so you can see when you need to hit the switch to fill it up again.
These small compressors are only about 8" long and will run you about 100 bucks, I'm not talking about those things you see in Auto Zone, they can be mounted anywhere underhood. Personally I would opt for both, a charged CO2 tank and the compressor should I run out of CO2, I don't do much deflation of the tires, and I'm I fix-a-flat fan, (yea i know they say it wrecks the tires, but I've been using it for years) but there have been times when I have drivin a branch right thru the sidewall of the tire, then had a second flat or have had low pressure in the spare.....

mttgilbert · Post by **mttgilbert** » Aug 11 2003 12:31 pm

In response to HikerInGilbert's reply:

That bracket has actually proven to be the hardest part to find. I have had the opportunity to pick up a complete air system, compressor, condensor, accumulator, all that good stuff, but I had to turn it down because I couldn't find anyone who would make a bracket to hold it all under my hood.

The C02 tank soundl like a good idea, I may have to look into that, unfortunately it leaves you with a limited capacity of pressure, unlike an onboard compressor.

Daryl · Post by **Daryl** » Aug 11 2003 12:38 pm

I agree with you on fix a flat. The tire guys say it eats the tire, but I've pulled tires off rims where fix a flat was used and there was nothing going on in there. I keep a can on hand, it's better then walking home.

I haven't looked real hard for a tank, maybe when it cools off I'll be more inspired to get to work on it.

HikerInGilbert · Post by **HikerInGilbert** » Aug 11 2003 1:20 pm

[quote="matt gilbert"]In response to HikerInGilbert's reply:

That bracket has actually proven to be the hardest part to find. I have had the opportunity to pick up a complete air system, compressor, condensor, accumulator, all that good stuff, but I had to turn it down because I couldn't find anyone who would make a bracket to hold it all under my hood. [quote]

I'm pretty good at fabricating (metal stuff that is)

Let me know if you'd want to investigate.

hoppy47m · Post by **hoppy47m** » Aug 11 2003 1:24 pm

The C02 tank soundl like a good idea, I may have to look into that, unfortunately it leaves you with a limited capacity of pressure, unlike an onboard compressor

I'm not sure about the larger tanks but I do know that one BB gun size co2 cartridge will fill a mtn bike tire 4 or more times, that little gizmo is standard equipment on my bike. And I used to carry one for my motorcycle......
As far as I'm concerned Fix-a-Flat rules!! The tires shops are feeling cheated out of their fixit money.....

2 of the tires on my Bronco have had at least 2 doses of that stuff, and that was over 2 years ago....they're still holding air just fine.

mttgilbert · Post by **mttgilbert** » Aug 11 2003 1:27 pm

Thats good to know. Thanks Tom.

Every now and then I come across a complete (or nearly complete) AC system. Next time I do, you might be hearing form me.

Almost everything under my hood is exchangeable with gm parts (some are ford though) The biggest problem with my truck is that AMC, at the time, used a variety of manufacturers for parts. (a lot like IH did and probably still does) As a result there can be great differences in equipment from year to year on the same model of truck. In addition the 258 I six is not a common motor to find in trucks (most people thought they were too small for any real power, but with the granny-low gears in the tranny and pumpkin that six produces a tremendous amount of torque all said and done). Since its not common a lot of the brackets/unique-parts are difficult to find.

mttgilbert · Post by **mttgilbert** » Aug 11 2003 1:31 pm

In response to hoppy47m's reply:

Maybe that "limited capacity" isn't so limited after all.

I too have used fix a flat on my tires with no bad results. But are you talking about using them to reinflate tires after airing them down? I've never heard of that being done, but I suppose it makes sense. I used to have one of those little cigarette lighter compressors. They sound like a good idea, but they will only fill up about six tires before they burn out...

(that left me running with two tires at 45lbs and two at 20lbs the second time I used it. Nice huh?)

bzachar · Post by **bzachar** » Aug 11 2003 2:47 pm

matt gilbert wrote:if anybody has a line on an appropriate compressor, or someone who knows the custom bracket business, let me know.

A friend of mine had a custom air intake fabricated at Max Rev Motorsports for his race car. They built a very nice piece for him. They're in east Mesa just south of Falcon Field.

Bill

Daryl · Post by **Daryl** » Aug 11 2003 4:47 pm

I don't like CO2 just because the way my jeep gets bounced and thrown around the thought of anything at 800 psi in or attached scares the bejesus out of me!

Daryl · Post by **Daryl** » Aug 11 2003 4:51 pm

One more thing, Matt, look specifically for a york compressor because it will save you the hassle of rigging something to the compressor to lubricate it. Yorks are self lubricated.

check out http://www.onboardair.com for more ideas

HikerInGilbert · Post by **HikerInGilbert** » Aug 11 2003 4:55 pm

Daryl wrote:I don't like CO2 just because the way my jeep gets bounced and thrown around the thought of anything at 800 psi in or attached scares the bejesus out of me!

Aw come on. I thought you were adventurous. heheheh

Seriously though, they make some pretty decent little compressors these days that plug right into your lighter socket. No sense in risking life and limb.