Knoll Lake island

[chumley]

I was tinkering around the interthings earlier today and I saw a source that identified the island (knoll) in the middle of Knoll Lake as Danau Knoll. I'd not seen or read this on any map or literature source previously and would be interested in learning more about this name and where it originated.

According to the forest service sign at the lake, the dam was constructed in 1963, and it seems reasonable to assume that this little bump in a canyon would not have had a name prior to it being surrounded by water.

Etymologically, the word seems to have origins in maritime southeast Asia (malay or filipino), which would be unusual for named places in this region. Alternately, there's a potential biblical link to the name, which also seems odd.

Any further information from the haz hive of knowledge ... ?

[CannondaleKid]

@chumley
Could this be where you found a Danau Knoll reference?
Kingsnake's Home Den - Knoll Lake & East Leonard Canyon

[The_Eagle]

@chumley
@CannondaleKid
Where does “Danau Knoll” come from?

"The phrase appears in a personal trip write-up that says", “I got the pictures below from my flight over Danau Knoll, an island in Knoll Lake, which I had previously called Knoll Lake Island.” That’s an individual’s nickname, not a government or cartographic standard. Note that danau is Indonesian/Malay for “lake,” so “Danau Knoll” literally reads “Lake Knoll.”
PrestonM

[chumley]

@The_Eagle
It's interesting that one person's blog can trigger a definitive answer from an AI chatbot, with seemingly no background or context included.

I wonder if the LLMs weigh haz content more than a personal blog or posts in a forum or social media?

Throughout history, place names seem to have commonly evolved from colloquial local use to officially recognized. Somewhere along the line, an author publishes a name in a hiking book and eventually it's just known as that. Did Ted Tenney invent the names for every formation in the Goldfields?

Mistakes are made and eventually wrong becomes accepted as right (Fremont and Doyle saddles, Mount Humphrey's, Dixie/Two-Bit, etc.)

I was reading a press release recently about one of the macrohiking sites developing their own basemap and acknowledging that their map reflected names from official sources as well as from sites like peakbagger, which is of course, just random user-generated content. Incidentally, that site and the subsequent basemap identifies peaks like Brother and Sister among the four peaks between Browns and Amethyst. It even labels the "Wave Cave". One wonders where those names were first used?

Now seems to be a good time in history to put your own mark on the world. Just pick a feature and give it a name. Post about it on the internet. Chatbots will disseminate your creation as fact, and your invention will live forever.

I think there's a Chumley Spring out there? 9L Peak was killed by one of the OG namers. Spooky stuff!

[CannondaleKid]

@chumley
Over the last few years while scrolling around on various maps (HAZ Satellite View, Google Maps, etc.) I've noticed quite a few locations/features that either had no prior name or had a different name, some seemingly added willy-nilly.
I guess it's a result of allowing anyone to add a name to a feature on Google maps with little to no oversight... and of course if/when an AI bot happens across it, it now becomes fact.

One I just noticed is "Paula Hopper Memorial Swing" along Rock Creek just off of Forest Road #11, which is mislabeled as N Forest Road 68 on HAZ Satellite and Google maps.

[chumley]

@CannondaleKid I've noticed similar. The things that people enter as place names or locations in Google Maps is comical sometimes. I recognize that none of these entries are evaluated by actual human beings, but the process between when somebody submits a thing and having it show up on the map is one I'd be curious to know more about (and I'd argue it could probably use some improvements!)

[azbackpackr]

@chumley
If they continue to allow this, the maps will become very crowded with useless naming.

[big_load]

Wow, I have to start publicizing my own silly names for geographic locations!

[hikeaz]

Squaw Peak LIVES!