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is there any truth to this?ck_1 wrote:along these same lines....when I first moved here, a co-worker cautioned me about heading into the sups without protection...in his words...he claimed the areas along Apache Trail were frequently used as "hide-outs" for motorcycle gangs....
anybody else heard those rumors?
(and no, I have nothing against motorcyclists)
Unlikely. I've heard "horror stories" about people being shot at by drug cultivators on the back side of the Catalinas, too. The person who stated that they had heard such a story "first hand" from a "close friend" also said there were grandiose fields of marajuana growing back there as far as the eye could see. I guess I need to get my eyes checkedwrangler0 wrote:is there any truth to this?ck_1 wrote:along these same lines....when I first moved here, a co-worker cautioned me about heading into the sups without protection...in his words...he claimed the areas along Apache Trail were frequently used as "hide-outs" for motorcycle gangs....
anybody else heard those rumors?
(and no, I have nothing against motorcyclists)
Any idea where one actually is?nonot wrote:No motorcycle gang but there used to be a guy who'd rob people at gunpoint on Fish Creek Hill about a hundred years ago. He never hurt anyone, but was never found either. The only motorcycle gangs you'll find hang out at Tortilla Flat![]()
Be careful not to stumble on a pot farm out in remote places in the wilderness though further away from the valley, those are not science fiction.
In all the years I have been driving Apache Trail and hiking/backpacking from it - no never. However motorcycles like to run the Trail in the early morning when there is little traffic. And when I say run, I mean as fast as they can go. I have witnessed four accidents, one where the biker lost all the skin off his back (and he was wearing leather), another where his bike got stuck between rocks and a paloverde tree, one head on collision on the worst blind U shaped curve and one that went onto rocks and into Canyon Lake (fatal). They cut the corners, hog the road two to three wide when passing each other and put themselves and others at great risk. Watch for them as they are usually going to fast to watch out for you!wrangler0 wrote:is there any truth to this?ck_1 wrote:along these same lines....when I first moved here, a co-worker cautioned me about heading into the sups without protection...in his words...he claimed the areas along Apache Trail were frequently used as "hide-outs" for motorcycle gangs....anybody else heard those rumors?
(and no, I have nothing against motorcyclists)
Yeah, I've seen plenty of those guys. I worry that one will meet his end (and possibly mine) on my bumper or windshield without enough warning to even start reacting. Those riders don't stray farther from the road than the ice cream counter in Tortilla Flat.SuperstitionGuy wrote:They cut the corners, hog the road two to three wide when passing each other and put themselves and others at great risk. Watch for them as they are usually going to fast to watch out for you!
wrangler0 wrote:is there any truth to this?ck_1 wrote:along these same lines....when I first moved here, a co-worker cautioned me about heading into the sups without protection...in his words...he claimed the areas along Apache Trail were frequently used as "hide-outs" for motorcycle gangs....
anybody else heard those rumors?
(and no, I have nothing against motorcyclists)
..and well said!!snakemarks wrote:I actually know what I'm talking about here.
the pot farm you mean? I know where 3 of them could be or have been, and its not too hard for the growers to lose their set-up after harvesting (funny how the cops rarely get the crops, but their real proud when they find an irrigation system ;) ) but the growers can always move to the next canyon over, in areas where hiking isnt common. The Mazatzals are perfect. I imagine the ranges down by you would suffice as well. There is also pot activity along the bottom of the rim... See canyon, bottom of Promontory Butte.. and so on. But I would resist to call these "elaborate" since their "security system" is just a guy in a tent with a 9mm pop gun. Show up with a bunch of dudes in Digital Camo carrying AK-74's and the weed is yoursJeff MacE wrote:Any idea where one actually is?
Would you be down? I have a few rifles...JUST KIDDINGte-wa wrote:the pot farm you mean? I know where 3 of them could be or have been, and its not too hard for the growers to lose their set-up after harvesting (funny how the cops rarely get the crops, but their real proud when they find an irrigation system ;) ) but the growers can always move to the next canyon over, in areas where hiking isnt common. The Mazatzals are perfect. I imagine the ranges down by you would suffice as well. There is also pot activity along the bottom of the rim... See canyon, bottom of Promontory Butte.. and so on. But I would resist to call these "elaborate" since their "security system" is just a guy in a tent with a 9mm pop gun. Show up with a bunch of dudes in Digital Camo carrying AK-74's and the weed is yoursJeff MacE wrote:Any idea where one actually is?
I know where one was, literally a few hundred yards off the Beeline on the side of Mt. Ord.te-wa wrote:the pot farm you mean?