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26 "hikers" rescued from Sabino Canyon

Post by SkyIslandHiker » Jul 31 2017 1:02 pm

On the heels of the previous weekend's massive rescue in Tanque Verde and Sabino Canyons, "hikers" once again ignore a Flash Flood Warning yesterday and have to be air lifted out in the dark:

http://www.kgun9.com/n...

I'm told that the parking lot to Sabino Canyon was closed off this morning.

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Re: 26 "hikers" rescued from Sabino Canyon

Post by JoelHazelton » Jul 31 2017 1:26 pm

I was up at Marshall Gulch yesterday afternoon, where the road to the trailhead parallels Sabino Canyon near its headwaters. Up at 7,500 feet Sabino Canyon was already high, fast, and dangerous to cross. All I could think about was 1) how must it look 4,000 feet below after countless tributaries dump exponentially more water and silt; and 2) hopefully nobody is down there trying to swim.
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Re: 26 "hikers" rescued from Sabino Canyon

Post by chumley » Jul 31 2017 1:33 pm

SkyIslandHiker wrote:On the heels of the previous weekend's massive rescue in Tanque Verde and Sabino Canyons, "hikers" once again ignore a Flash Flood Warning yesterday and have to be air lifted out in the dark:

http://www.kgun9.com/n...

I'm told that the parking lot to Sabino Canyon was closed off this morning.
What's the difference between a hiker and a "hiker" ? :-k

The Flash Flood Warning was issued at 3:08pm. I think you might want to consider the possibility that perfectly responsible and experienced outdoor recreation enthusiasts--probably not unlike yourself--may have been enjoying a nice hike along developed trails in a federal Recreation Area on a pleasant rain-free day with no watches or warnings having been issued until hours after they were out on the trails. Unless you read a different news story than the one linked above, there is no indication that anybody ignored any flood warnings.

It looks to me like the people who found themselves on the wrong side of a rain-swollen river made a wise decision and waited for authorities to provide safe passage rather than risk their lives or put others in danger.
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Re: 26 "hikers" rescued from Sabino Canyon

Post by flagscott » Jul 31 2017 2:04 pm

SkyIslandHiker wrote:On the heels of the previous weekend's massive rescue in Tanque Verde and Sabino Canyons, "hikers" once again ignore a Flash Flood Warning yesterday and have to be air lifted out in the dark:

http://www.kgun9.com/n...

I'm told that the parking lot to Sabino Canyon was closed off this morning.
I saw the forecast for thunderstorms down there, and I put the over/under at the number of people rescued this weekend at 40. Close, but not close enough.

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Re: 26 "hikers" rescued from Sabino Canyon

Post by SkyIslandHiker » Jul 31 2017 2:14 pm

chumley wrote:What's the difference between a hiker and a "hiker" ? :-k
Many Sabino Canyon recreationists are simply road-walking swimmers that get labeled as hikers by the media. I'm sure there were some real hikers out there that got caught o⃥f⃥f⃥ ⃥g⃥u⃥a⃥r⃥d⃥ up in the flash flood but...

The local media was full of warnings all weekend, well before Sunday, about the dangers of venturing out into Sabino and Tanque Verde Canyons. In fact, the Pima County Sherriff's Department issued an advisory mid-day on Saturday for Sabino and Tanque Verde Canyons in particular:

http://www.kgun9.com/n...

Saturday and Sunday's weather forecasts were virtually identical. I think any responsible person would have avoided those two areas entirely this weekend. With over 90 rescues the past two weekends we're darn lucky that there have been no serious injuries or fatalities, not just among the hikers and "hikers" but also among SARA personnel who put their lives at risk! :M2C:
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Re: 26 "hikers" rescued from Sabino Canyon

Post by chumley » Jul 31 2017 2:32 pm

SkyIslandHiker wrote:Many Sabino Canyon recreationists are simply road-walking swimmers that get labeled as hikers by the media. I'm sure there were some real hikers out there
I fail to see why somebody who walks on a paved road that gets blocked by flood waters is different from somebody who walks on a dirt trail. Is one less worthy of safe passage than the other?
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Re: 26 "hikers" rescued from Sabino Canyon

Post by Tough_Boots » Jul 31 2017 2:50 pm

Honestly, some HAZzers are making it sound like all of Arizona is flooding and burning at the same time. This state is nuts!
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Post by chumley » Jul 31 2017 2:53 pm

@Tough_Boots

is #thanksobama still a thing? :lol:
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Re: 26 "hikers" rescued from Sabino Canyon

Post by SuperstitionGuy » Jul 31 2017 4:54 pm

Helicopter rides are so much more fun than building a simple foot bridge over this sometimes swollen Arizona river. :doh: :-k
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Re: 26 "hikers" rescued from Sabino Canyon

Post by SkyIslandHiker » Jul 31 2017 5:29 pm

chumley wrote: I fail to see why somebody who walks on a paved road that gets blocked by flood waters is different from somebody who walks on a dirt trail. Is one less worthy of safe passage than the other?
I don't think I said that. My point was that way too many hikers/"hikers" are putting themselves in a position of needing a rescue.

P.S. Now that I reread my post I can see where you might conclude that from my "off guard" wording. I should have said "I'm sure there were some real hikers out there that got caught up in the flash flood but..."
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Re: 26 "hikers" rescued from Sabino Canyon

Post by SkyIslandHiker » Jul 31 2017 5:31 pm

Tough_Boots wrote:Honestly, some HAZzers are making it sound like all of Arizona is flooding and burning at the same time.
If you lived in southern Arizona this summer you might believe that. This has been a summer of extremes down here.

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Post by Tough_Boots » Jul 31 2017 5:41 pm

SkyIslandHiker wrote:This has been a summer of extremes down here.
Must be if you even have to split glorified walkers into two categories-- hikers and "hikers."
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Re: 26 "hikers" rescued from Sabino Canyon

Post by SkyIslandHiker » Jul 31 2017 7:46 pm

flagscott wrote:I saw the forecast for thunderstorms down there, and I put the over/under at the number of people rescued this weekend at 40.
@flagscott. Turns out you hit the nail on the head. KVOA now reports that 42 hikers were rescued at Sabino Canyon yesterday:

http://www.kvoa.com/st...

The article states that a majority of the people rescued were between the ages of sixteen and twenty-five. Some will accuse me of stereotyping but I'll bet that most of them were "hikers".

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Re: 26 "hikers" rescued from Sabino Canyon

Post by chumley » Jul 31 2017 8:34 pm

SkyIslandHiker wrote:The article states that a majority of the people rescued were between the ages of sixteen and twenty-five. Some will accuse me of stereotyping but I'll bet that most of them were "hikers".
What does age have to do with hiking?
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Re: 26 "hikers" rescued from Sabino Canyon

Post by Tough_Boots » Jul 31 2017 8:40 pm

@chumley

Maybe age has more to do with "hiking"? It definitely seems to have something to do with "condescending".
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Re: 26 "hikers" rescued from Sabino Canyon

Post by Alston_Neal » Aug 01 2017 10:49 am

Wow tough group. Maybe having spent time with the touristas at Old Faithful was too much for some. Or am I sensing snarkasm?
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Re: 26 "hikers" rescued from Sabino Canyon

Post by air » Aug 01 2017 11:24 am

When I saw the headlines of the recent Tanque Verde Falls incident I thought it was a odd to describe the 17 rescued as "hikers" because they just parked a car and scrambled down to go swimming.
I bet if you asked half the people going to bear canyon if they are "hiking" they would deny it and thankfully there was a law enforcement vehicle on the west side of the bear bridge to prevent any attempts to cross the other day.
SARA has been to bear canyon on so many rescues it should just be renamed after them.

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Re: 26 "hikers" rescued from Sabino Canyon

Post by JoelHazelton » Aug 01 2017 12:32 pm

air wrote:When I saw the headlines of the recent Tanque Verde Falls incident I thought it was a odd to describe the 17 rescued as "hikers" because they just parked a car and scrambled down to go swimming.
Wait... Did the headline refer to them as hikers or as "hikers"? I think it's established that "hikers" is defined as those who walk a short distance to swim, so in that case the headline would be accurate.
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Post by Alston_Neal » Aug 01 2017 12:55 pm

I can only imagine the hysteria the media would produce if they dropped hikers and used strollers. The public would see Seventeen Strollers Airlifted From Swollen River. Baby carriage carnage at it's worst.
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Re: 26 "hikers" rescued from Sabino Canyon

Post by chumley » Aug 01 2017 1:57 pm

I believe some here would prefer the media just referred to them as "idiots". After all, it's people who go outside when it might rain that give us smart hikers a bad name.
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