Find
Map
Post
Find
Aa

Horton / Tonto creek cattle drive?

Day Hiking & general trail related

Moderator: HAZ - Moderators

Linked Descriptions None
User avatar
ALMAL
Huck Finn Kokopelli
Posts: 98
Joined: Oct 17 2010 8:02 pm
City, State: GILBERT

Horton / Tonto creek cattle drive?

Postby ALMAL » Oct 31 2016 4:16 pm

On several recent trips to both Horton and Tonto creeks, I have encountered cattle on the trail. You really have to watch where you step :o
Anybody know where they came from or why?

User avatar
lesliedow
Lil' Kokopelli
Posts: 14
Joined: Jul 25 2014 8:51 am
City, State: phoenix az

Re: Horton / Tonto creek cattle drive?

Postby lesliedow » Nov 02 2016 6:12 am

Yep, me too! After Tonto Creek (going west) there are a couple of ranches that the trail goes through. Maybe the cows are hiking? ;-)
Because in the end, you won’t remember the time you spent working in the office or mowing your lawn. Climb that goddamn mountain--Jack Kerouac

User avatar
Alston_Neal
Tweet Boogie
Posts: 1520
Joined: Apr 19 2008 5:53 pm
City, State: Phoenix, AZ

Re: Horton / Tonto creek cattle drive?

Postby Alston_Neal » Nov 02 2016 11:34 am

Some of the grazing permits go back for generations. I've noticed that Clover Canyon tends to be but not this year for some reason, an every other year grazing. Grazing permits, like mining and water rights are age old in the west. But just case you are interested....
fs.fed.us/rangeland ... html

Interesting to note that some are difficult to get since they have been permitted long ago.
In Japan they say only old people and crazy people hike mountains...........yep


Our humble abode..
http://www.oldterritorialshop.com

User avatar
The_N
Paysonpelli
Posts: 65
Joined: Mar 18 2015 6:37 pm
City, State: Payson, AZ

Re: Horton / Tonto creek cattle drive?

Postby The_N » Nov 06 2016 2:46 pm

I ran into a rancher just east of Tonto Creek recently who was out riding and checking fences. He's does this every year in an effort to keep cattle away from the creek during the busy summer months. They just didn't do too well at preventing that this year. If you go West from the Hatchery TH, the first few miles is all grazing land as well.
If there is no struggle, there is no progress.

User avatar
Tough_Boots
Forest Gangster
Posts: 1508
Joined: Mar 28 2008 7:08 pm
City, State: Phoenix, AZ
Contact:

Re: Horton / Tonto creek cattle drive?

Postby Tough_Boots » Nov 06 2016 3:29 pm

Plenty of cow pies in the lower section of Babe Haught as well.
"Backpacking has as much to do with what I carry inside as with what goes into the pack. It connects me with woundedness as well as with wonder."
--Belden C. Lane

User avatar
Sun_Ray
Javakaipelli
Posts: 255
Joined: Sep 09 2004 11:53 am
City, State: Scottsdale, AZ

Re: Horton / Tonto creek cattle drive?

Postby Sun_Ray » Nov 07 2016 6:52 am

While fishing Tonto up by the hatchery heard rustling in the bushes and thought it was a big bear! Yes cattle were distructive in this area.
Brian
Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday......there is no SOMEDAY!

User avatar
ALMAL
Huck Finn Kokopelli
Posts: 98
Joined: Oct 17 2010 8:02 pm
City, State: GILBERT

Re: Horton / Tonto creek cattle drive?

Postby ALMAL » Nov 07 2016 1:51 pm

I was up there this weekend and there are fresh patties all along the Highline from the hatchery to Horton spring, but did not see any cows.

User avatar
The_Eagle
Eaglepelli
Posts: 963
Joined: Jan 20 2009 2:46 pm
City, State: Far NE Phoenix, Az
Contact:

Re: Horton / Tonto creek cattle drive?

Postby The_Eagle » Nov 07 2016 3:51 pm

@ALMAL
They go in their holes during the daylight hours.
There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
Dave Barry

User avatar
chumley
Tutin' Kokopelli
Posts: 5713
Joined: Sep 18 2002 8:59 am
City, State: Tempe, AZ

Re: Horton / Tonto creek cattle drive?

Postby chumley » Nov 07 2016 4:55 pm

@The_Eagle
From what I've read about the Highline, they've probably all been shot.

User avatar
flagscott
Flutin' Kokopelli
Posts: 130
Joined: Jan 03 2016 7:41 pm
City, State: Flagstaff, AZ

Re: Horton / Tonto creek cattle drive?

Postby flagscott » Nov 07 2016 6:23 pm

Derrick trail had plenty of cow pies, too, this weekend.

The amazing thing is that the FS is grazing cattle in areas thinned for fire prevention. This is beyond moronic. Cows reduce grass cover and increase cover of shrubs and trees. Faster growth of shrubs and trees makes the area more fire-prone and means that the area will have to be thinned or burned again sooner than it might be otherwise. Any money they are making in grazing fees will surely being lost in increased fire prevention expenses.

Our Forest Service: profiles in idiocy.

User avatar
Tough_Boots
Forest Gangster
Posts: 1508
Joined: Mar 28 2008 7:08 pm
City, State: Phoenix, AZ
Contact:

Re: Horton / Tonto creek cattle drive?

Postby Tough_Boots » Nov 07 2016 10:43 pm

chumley wrote:From what I've read about the Highline, they've probably all been shot.


or stampeded to death by elk...
"Backpacking has as much to do with what I carry inside as with what goes into the pack. It connects me with woundedness as well as with wonder."
--Belden C. Lane

User avatar
Alston_Neal
Tweet Boogie
Posts: 1520
Joined: Apr 19 2008 5:53 pm
City, State: Phoenix, AZ

Re: Horton / Tonto creek cattle drive?

Postby Alston_Neal » Nov 08 2016 11:10 am

I'm waiting for the time they become protected wild bovines descended down from the first Spanish bovines.
In Japan they say only old people and crazy people hike mountains...........yep


Our humble abode..
http://www.oldterritorialshop.com


Return to “Trail Chat”


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 0 guests





 

 

Login  •  Register