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Tonto Creek - The Box - 4 members in 9 triplogs have rated this an average 4.5 ( 1 to 5 best )
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May 13 2017
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47 male
 Joined Dec 22 2007
 Mesa, AZ
Tonto Creek - The BoxPayson, AZ
Payson, AZ
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skatchkinsTriplogs 230
Canyoneering2.00 Miles 70 AEG
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Mother's Day Edition.
It was this or sit inside an Applebees. I wasn't quite sure if it was a good or bad idea (66 years old, mini-active). With the right amount of help, it turned out good.
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Apr 09 2017
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Lower Gun Creek, AZ 
Lower Gun Creek, AZ
 
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MountainMattTriplogs 530
Hiking7.99 Miles 1,491 AEG
Hiking7.99 Miles   6 Hrs   27 Mns   1.60 mph
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A exploratory hike inspired by my everlasting curiosity and promising satellite view imagery led me to check out just what exactly Lower Gun Creek is really like.

Started at Reed Gulch and found an easy ankle deep section to cross Tonto about 50ft upstream of the old cable car.
Gun Creek was dry at its confluence with Tonto but that's because at that particular area it's about as wide as every lane of traffic on the I-10!
As you can see on the topo it's a major drainage and from the hundreds of 200lb+ boulders and large debris I encountered heading upstream gave me a feel for just how much water rips through here during high runoff.

A solid mile into Gun Creek is an absolute gem! :y:
Deep clear pools, large green sycamores, contrasting canyon hillsides of giant Saguaros and plenty of cascades truly made this place a winner in my book!

I was already wet up to my crotch from wading in the water instead of maneuvering through the dense vegetation but I soon hit a little swimmer when I hit the narrows.
I did have my dry bag with me but with no floaty and my new longly awaited camera lens I was just not ready pull a swim off.

I then skirted up to an epic little cliffside high point and soaked in my surroundings before making the full steep climb out to the old FR and my original proposed starting point.

I scoped out my final destination of the day but after extensively reviewing the sat imagery I know know it was definitely taken during high flow conditions so I was not as ambitious as before to make my way down into the gorge.

I made my way back to Tonto Creek and headed upstream to check out the waterfall on Gold Creek which is a very scenic little grotto.
Sunday it was just a trickle but during storm runoff this place would be incredible!

Waded up Tonto Creek a bit further and then scrambled and bushwhacked up the steep cliffside walls to setup for a photo I kept thinking of the entire day.

Great day exploring some rugged country and I'd definitely throw Gun Creek as one of my new favorite watersheds along with of course Tonto and I'm looking forward to see what both of them have to offer these next couple of months.
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Lots of Brittlebush and even a few lingering poppies.

water 1 out of 5water less than maxwater less than maxwater less than max Gold Creek Pools to trickle Pools to trickle
Sporadic pools with a small trickle at the waterfall.

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Hit steadily flowing water at approximately .5 miles upstream from its confluence with Tonto Creek.
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Nov 23 2016
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35 male
 Joined Mar 06 2016
 Salt River Valle
Tonto Creek - The BoxPayson, AZ
Payson, AZ
Canyoneering avatar Nov 23 2016
arizona_waterTriplogs 118
Canyoneering4.62 Miles 360 AEG
Canyoneering4.62 Miles   2 Hrs   46 Mns   1.75 mph
360 ft AEG      8 Mns Break
Canyon Hiking - Non-technical; no rope; easy scrambling; occasional hand use
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Access:
I was able to leave early from work on Wednesday. I picked up a friend in Tempe and we arrived at FR1390 around 1:00pm. This road is in decent condition. I would recommend mid-clearance and 4WD isn't really necessary, although it would certainly help coming out of the small, yet steep, washes. Originally, I had planned to take FR1553 to access the canyon, but I was reading conflicting reports on the road conditions (and Tonto Creek access) and wanted to make the most of the remaining daylight, so I just decided to stick with a quick, easy drive.

Hike:
From the gaging station, we went about a mile and a half up Tonto Creek. Most of this part of the Tonto Box is beautiful and creates a sense of excitement as you get closer and closer to the narrows. However, the dense brush and thorny-riparian plant species made for slow and painful travel along the banks. Last week's .75inch of rainfall had not affected the flow too much, but it did create highly turbid and silty water. During our hike, the Creek was running at 9 CFS, yet we couldn't see anything in the water while crossing the creek. This made walking in the creek much more difficult than I expected. One moment I would see a boulder breaching the water line and step near it expecting shallower water. The next moment I would suddenly be up to my thighs in a muddy hole. This led us to stick with walking on the banks as much as possible.

We would've been able to travel much faster just walking up the creek, rather than attempting to bushwhack through cattails and walls of thorny plants. Of course, there is no trail, so you just have to pick a line and do your best to get through. The bushwhacking is worth it though! The further you go up the canyon, the more evident it becomes that this area gets very little human use. There are many points in the canyon where the banks cliff out, creating mandatory creek crossings, but they are never more than knee-deep.

The sun was getting low and the water, while not freezing, was cold enough to convince us to turn around once we reached the first narrows section. Upon returning to the gaging station and the wash/delta of Gun Creek, we attempted to see if we could find some pools of water in the Gun Creek channel. We went about a half mile up the wash before it is densely overgrown. I got to a an impassible point where it did not appear possible to walk further in the channel. Maybe if I had more daylight and time...and motivation, I would've just rerouted up and over he canyon wall. I was kind of disappointed to not see ANY signs of water in Gun Creek. But I didn't expected to be flowing, either. Interesting area though.

Conclusion:
I would definitely come back here in mid-late January when some of the riparian vegetation has died down. I love Tonto Creek any the Box is an amazing place. The bushwhacking is tough, but worth it. And it's off the beaten path so you are likely to have the whole place to yourself!

water 1 out of 5water less than maxwater less than maxwater less than max Gold Creek Pools to trickle Pools to trickle
Several small pools remaining from last weeks rain. No flow.

dry Gun Creek Dry Dry
Dry from confluence with Tonto Creek to about .5 mile east, up the wash.

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Tonto Creek observation made in Tonto Box, 2 miles south of here:
baseline flows of 9 CFS, usual for this time of year, following .75in of rain last week. Current conditions: High turbidity with visible silt.
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Jun 14 2013
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 Joined Dec 22 2007
 Mesa, AZ
Tonto Creek, AZ 
Tonto Creek, AZ
 
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skatchkinsTriplogs 230
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Man I've been spending a lot of time on this creek apparently.

A girl trip was going down this Fri-Sat, so I really needed to put a man trip together. Not too far and definitely next to/involving water. I was able to rustle up my friends Jonathan and Steve with a "Hey I'm not sure where we are going yet, but pack camping gear and a tube."

I played around on the maps, looking at other ways into Tonto Creek. I thought I had a good lead, a probably doable 2wd road out, and then a possible quarter mile hike to get us to some water that could have a suitable beach on it to camp. I figured once we had set up everything, we could go up stream the first day and then downstream the second. I wanted a new uncharted area with the possibility of meeting up with where Noel and I stopped coming the other way on another trip: http://hikearizona.com/photoset.php?ID=25088

I played a half day at work and then met Jonathan so someone else could drive for a change. We loaded up his 2wd Frontier and I got out the maps. The planning paid off and we were able to drive and hike to the place I wanted us to be. Google Earth came through too and the tree stand looked as good on the ground as it did on aerial. Jonathan found a great nestled in area to stage for camp and then we tubed upstream. This was another one of those, "Woah, we are totally on the middle of nowhere," feeling trips.

I've been out to Tonto a bit and still somehow did not know there were catfish down there. The carp are numbered aplenty but never had I seen a cat. They hide and swim around with the carp, but sure enough we started spotting them in deeper shady areas. We had no gear but we figured we could man about and see what happened. After getting our form down and practicing hand catching a carp, I went for the biggest catfish Jonathan and Steve could find. He was hard to hold on to but low and behold we now had a 18" cat to figure out to do with. I yanked out a shoelace and strung him to my bag. For much of the return hike/tube (for the fish, it was more a leashed swim) back to camp we talked about how we could skin him with no piers between us.

We ended up putting a carabiner through his jaw and then tried making an augur hole in his skin to have somewhere to loop through to peel his skin back. That didn't work so I had to use a pocket knife to cut its skin from the meat which took a while. He filleted easy enough and you know we cooked him up for dinner and at the whole thing. Good times.

When it was time for bed, Steve and Jonathan realized there were spiders literally everywhere (and a few lightning bugs). I had brought a hammock just in case the trees panned out. The spiders didn't bite at all, so they got used to them and we all slept pretty awesomely with the loud rapids to lull us the night through.

Saturday we went down stream. There were lots of pools to swim and places creek walking or rock hopping was necessary. We got dive bombed by what looked like 200 cliff swallows protecting their numerous mud nests. We scared up a lot of ducks, and one momma with 8 ducklings. We found some good jump off places, some 12", some 25" deep.

We checked out a few mines along the way and at one point I climbed up a dry waterfall on the side of the canyon to see what I could see and I got attacked by hornets. They hit fast and I only felt two stinging pain spots to know to move faster. I slid down the falls and dove in as soon as I saw water. I lost my hat up there but I'm happy with that decision. My welts grew big on my temple and the back of my shoulder.

Anyway, we made it to where Noel and I had from the other direction and we went further for them to check out the box's canyon walls. We paused after and napped for a bit then turned around and headed back to camp.

It was a great trip.
I only brought the cell phone and a crappy little digital I inherited in the marriage so
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May 04 2013
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47 male
 Joined Dec 22 2007
 Mesa, AZ
Tonto Creek - The BoxPayson, AZ
Payson, AZ
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skatchkinsTriplogs 230
Canyoneering2.00 Miles 70 AEG
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You can only offroad a civic so far. The explanation of "that's why it's made of metal," after two large bumps wore thin, I pulled over and we hoofed it. Just for fun we tried coming in from Gold Creek but the waterfall at the very end was sketchy. I scoped it and told her "90% chance I can do it, 70% you can." Her fear of heights said the 90% was a bad enough number but to my astonishment, she said, why don't we just go straight up this chute here and then down the other side to bypass the waterfall. That was an interesting route for sure. Crumbles and cacti but we made it to the water. So that was all the preadventure that she said was "so much fun." So yeah, I'm happy :)
Anyway, we walked, waded, swam and tubed 1.5mi in until hanging out for a while, then returning. There was no way to backtrack our steps but we knew that already. We exited near the cable car and rounded the hill back to the car. Time to put a lift on it.
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Tonto Creek - The BoxPayson, AZ
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sventreTriplogs 71
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This was a great morning to visit Tonto Creek. Began by following FR1553 for entry, but after less than a mile I decided to hike through the wash that is just west of the road. Water flow was almost non-existent although pools of water remained from last week's downpours. The wash itself is a myriad of colors- blue, green, gold and sandstone colored boulders. The early morning sun wash just beginning to crest the hilltops and further added to the vibrance. Found a few implements of earlier mining days and ultimately made my way out onto Tonto Creek. After visiting "the Box" I retraced my steps to the wash and climbed to the peak that serves as a terminus to FR1553. There I got the birds-eye view of where I had been below. All-in-all it was a great morning.
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Aug 04 2010
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 Gilbert, AZ
Tonto Creek - The BoxPayson, AZ
Payson, AZ
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ssk44Triplogs 298
Canyoneering1.00 Miles
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The Box - Upper

I didn't have any work today so I thought it would be sweet to head up to Tonto Creek for the day. "The Box" is basically everything from Pittsburg Tonto Mine to Gun Creek at the bottom. I've wanted to check out the upper canyon segment since my last visit. The best way to reach the upper end of this hike is by utilizing FR1553, which is just southeast of Jakes Corner. FR1553 is a primitive road that requires high-clearance two-wheel drive.

I pulled up the stream flow prior to heading out. In this narrow canyon I would say that 10-40 CFS is perfect with 70-80 being the upper limit. It was 70 CFS today. What I didn't consider was the CHOCOLATE MUDDY WATER! Lame! The flow on Tonto Creek has been steadily coming down from the heavy rain over the weekend and unfortunately the color hasn't cleared up yet. Crossing back and forth is tough enough with high flow. Add chocolate water and it ends up like reading braille. You can't see anything! It was dangerous to say the least. I crossed three times over a short distance and concluded that it was time to head back. The canyon kept getting progressively narrower. There's supposedly a nice 8-10 foot narrow pour-over down there somewhere that I really wanted to see. Maybe next time...

In order to salvage the morning, I headed back up to the mine for some exploration. This location was an early 1900's gold mining operation. I suspect that in it's day, it was fairly impressive. The area has remnants of multiple structures, broadly scattered heavy equipment, two primary shafts, and an old cable system to transport equipment and material across the canyon. I personally really enjoyed poking around the mine, however unless you really like this stuff, I highly recommend doing this hike from the posted trailhead at the bottom. It's more enjoyable overall and you can turn back whenever you want.


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Tonto Creek - The BoxPayson, AZ
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The Box - Lower

I have wanted to visit this off-the-radar destination for over two years. I am so glad that I finally did it. It far exceeded my expectations. Great swimming hike!
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