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Tonto Creek Bear Flat to Hellsgate - 6 members in 14 triplogs have rated this an average 3.5 ( 1 to 5 best )
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Jul 27 2025
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43 female
 Joined Jun 23 2015
 Phoenix, AZ
Tonto Creek Bear Flat to HellsgatePayson, AZ
Payson, AZ
Hiking avatar Jul 27 2025
emilystardustTriplogs 792
Hiking1.27 Miles 299 AEG
Hiking1.27 Miles   2 Hrs   39 Mns   0.99 mph
299 ft AEG   1 Hour   22 Mns Break
 
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Jun 14 2025
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 Joined Aug 13 2023
 Phoenix, AZ
Tonto Creek Bear Flat to HellsgatePayson, AZ
Payson, AZ
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diabloTriplogs 47
Hiking1.85 Miles 537 AEG
Hiking1.85 Miles   2 Hrs   5 Mns   1.35 mph
537 ft AEG      43 Mns Break
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First time in this area trying to cool off and make it to the pink granite narrows. I’ve never seen the tonto so brown and low flow, not enough runoff this winter to get rid of the silt. Water was very pleasant as it’s required to get in very early. Tested out my new dry bag I got for my birthday and it was a success! Highlight of the trip was seeing my first rattlesnake of ‘25.
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[ checklist ]  Tonto Creek - Mogollon Rim

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Jul 01 2023
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43 female
 Joined Jun 23 2015
 Phoenix, AZ
Tonto Creek Bear Flat to HellsgatePayson, AZ
Payson, AZ
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emilystardustTriplogs 792
Canyoneering1.53 Miles 251 AEG
Canyoneering1.53 Miles   3 Hrs   39 Mns   0.94 mph
251 ft AEG   2 Hrs   1 Min Break
 
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Jun 25 2023
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43 female
 Joined Jun 23 2015
 Phoenix, AZ
Tonto Creek Bear Flat to HellsgatePayson, AZ
Payson, AZ
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emilystardustTriplogs 792
Canyoneering1.18 Miles 199 AEG
Canyoneering1.18 Miles   3 Hrs   43 Mns   0.63 mph
199 ft AEG   1 Hour   50 Mns Break
 
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Jun 10 2023
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52 male
 Joined Sep 18 2002
 Tempe, AZ
Tonto Creek Bear Flat to HellsgatePayson, AZ
Payson, AZ
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chumleyTriplogs 1,993
Canyoneering3.45 Miles 150 AEG
Canyoneering3.45 Miles   3 Hrs   16 Mns   1.07 mph
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The plan was to head down Tonto for about 5 miles to meet up with Jon and Joel at a spot we had pre-decided since they were able to get going a day before me. I hadn't done this stretch before and was excited to see these new miles of rugged canyon.

It was a chilly night and I decided to wait a bit for the sun to warm things up before heading out in the morning just before 9. There's a use-trail for a bit getting started but it peters out fairly quickly occasionally picking up again when there's an obvious bypass of deeper pools.

Despite a few chilly crossings things were going fine until the first mandatory swimmer a little over a mile in. It was short, but the couple of minutes I spent fully immersed was shockingly cold. The June sun is typically brutal here, but today it was nice, and it was just a few minutes before I warmed up again.

Maybe 10 minutes farther downstream I reached the next swimmer, a narrow 150-yard pool that destroyed me. This was absolute insanity!

A big winter snowpack with late melt? An atypically cool spring? Whatever it is, these waters have never been this cold in June when I've been here before. Having only previously been in the first mile or so up from Hellsgate I knew I had 5 miles or so of new terrain to cover, unsure of how many additional swimmers I had. The wading was fine, but without a wetsuit, the swimming was really challenging.

With the unknown ahead, I made the call to cut it short, not properly prepared or equipped to continue downstream in the conditions I encountered. Another day, another year, perhaps. It's a pretty canyon and I'd like to finish it.

A few spot messages got through to Jon and Joel so they knew not to worry about me not arriving at camp. Sometimes, modern technology is a good thing.

Finally back at my truck, I dropped my thermometer into the creek at the crossing. It was 62 in the shallows in the sun. The deep sheltered pools downstream were almost certainly not more than the mid-50s. I enjoy a frigid swim on a sunny day, but a 10-minute swim in that temp takes it out of you fast.
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Sep 18 2021
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65 male
 Joined Oct 17 2008
 Phoenix, AZ
Tonto Creek Bear Flat to HellsgatePayson, AZ
Payson, AZ
Backpack avatar Sep 18 2021
rcorfmanTriplogs 1,867
Backpack8.28 Miles 703 AEG
Backpack8.28 Miles2 Days         
703 ft AEG
 
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My friend and I tried this just shy of 3 months ago, on June 20th. Here's that trip report. Our objective was the same as before, to find the second stage of geocache, Mad Shartin. Since we were unable to go the distance in a day, we decided to take two days and spend a night in Hells Gate Wilderness.

We had been waiting for the monsoon to end for this trip as we definitely didn't want to worry about flash flooding. We also wanted to get this done before the water cooled off too much.

The water was much more turbid than the first trip. That slowed us down since it was impossible to see the boulders and rocks in the water and we had to feel our way through (i.e. constantly stumbling). The water was cooler than before and the day wasn't as warm either. Except for the initial plunge, the water wasn't bad, we never got cold. I don't know if that would be the case any more this year.

Like a dummy, I figured the trash compactor bag I've used for over 2,000 miles of backpacking would still be water proof. It wasn't. Hey, I blew air into it the night before and it seemed to work. At our first break, I reached down to the bottom of the pack and felt some moisture. My quilt and sleeping pad were a bit wet. I let them dry in the sun for a bit while we ate. My friend had a spare garbage bag, so I put the quilt in it and things were good for the rest of the trip.

Nearing 2:00PM, we found a campsite with lots of abandoned gear. There was an axe, a hatchet, a stove, grill, pots and pans, sleeping bag, tent, and so on. Who would carry all this crap here? While looking around, it sprinkled a bit. This was about .9 crow miles from our target. Camping is limited in the canyon, so we decided this would be a good place to camp for the night. We hoped we could reach our target and return before dark though we weren't banking on it so we didn't leave any of our gear.

We continued on working our way down Tonto Creek, wading and swimming as necessary. There's a sliver of the creek outside of Hells Gate Wilderness which is where the second stage of the geocache was located. Geocaches aren't allowed in designated wilderness, at least physical ones. We were able to find the stage quickly once we got there. We rested a bit and had some food, then headed back up the creek to the campsite. The worst part of the campsite coming from downstream, is that you need to swim to it, so we finished the day soaking wet.

We made it to the campsite just before six. That gave us enough light to take care of all the camp chores, like filtering water and setting up camp, before dinner. After dinner, we had a small campfire and enjoyed a couple of beers we carried in. Just before nine, it started raining so we ran to cover things up. I set up my tarp and then turned in for the night.

We were sore and tired the next morning so took our time breaking camp. That first plunge in the creek is about as wakening as coffee.

The water wasn't as turbid on the way out, but it got worse as we moved upstream and we still couldn't see the rocks and boulders beneath the surface.

We saw two bald eagles on the way out, they flew right past us.

I decided that while I'm glad I spent a night in Hells Gate wilderness, I really have no desire to, say, go from Bear Flat to Gisela. Tonto Creek is extremely difficult to traverse, especially when the water is turbid. There are many pools to swim across and wade through. Travel is slow. Expect to only go four or five miles a day. You will get scraped up, you need to know what poison ivy looks like, chafing is an issue. It is a beautiful setting though.
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Jun 20 2021
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 Joined Oct 17 2008
 Phoenix, AZ
Tonto Creek Bear Flat to HellsgatePayson, AZ
Payson, AZ
Hiking avatar Jun 20 2021
rcorfmanTriplogs 1,867
Hiking6.93 Miles 724 AEG
Hiking6.93 Miles   9 Hrs   15 Mns   0.87 mph
724 ft AEG   1 Hour   15 Mns Break
 
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This was my first foray into Tonto Creek. The plan was to find the first two stages of multi-cache geocache Mad Shartin. We started the down the creek about 8:45 but by 1:00 we were still 0.62 crow miles from the 2nd stage. With the pace we were going we figured we'd need at least 2 hours to get back where we were, probably 3. That would have us finishing in the dark so we had a beer and headed back instead.

This is a really beautiful route but you pay for the views with blood and sweat. I don't want to think about how many times I slipped and fell in the creek, dragged my shin across rocks, banged my knees, etc. I really had a great time! The water was a perfect temperature. We were never cold even though we spent most of the time sloshing through the creek.

For wildlife, we saw lots of crawdads and fish of course. The man I was with saw a bald eagle, and we saw an AZ Black rattler.

I was really beat up after this. Clamoring over the rocks, stumbling, and picking myself up throughout the day, was more work than my upper body has done for a long while. My shoulders and lower back were quite tired afterwards.
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Apr 07 2018
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52 male
 Joined Sep 18 2002
 Tempe, AZ
Hellsgate Exploration, AZ 
Hellsgate Exploration, AZ
 
Hiking avatar Apr 07 2018
chumleyTriplogs 1,993
Hiking17.79 Miles 4,256 AEG
Hiking17.79 Miles   10 Hrs   55 Mns   1.92 mph
4,256 ft AEG   1 Hour   40 Mns Break
 
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I've knocked out more than a few miles in the Hellsgate Wilderness with Joel. Most have involved slow, but spectacularly scenic miles in Haigler Creek, negotiating pools, waterfalls, cascades, bypasses, and most everything an Arizona wilderness area can serve up.

When he suggested this one recently, I was quickly on board. Having never hiked the actual #37 trail, I was happy to try it out on this day/night schedule. The hike in was pleasant, the temperature warm and the cool spring water refreshing to get into at the bottom. We ventured separate ways at the confluence, where I headed up Haigler to finish off the only mile of the creek I hadn't previously covered. This section provided surprisingly nice scenery, and unanticipated slow going, including 5 deep swimmers that I didn't expect.

With time a concern, I didn't want to retrace my steps and then fight the upstream current going up Tonto to where I'd expect to find Joel, so I took the cross-country route, climbing ~600 feet to cross the peninsula between the two creeks and then headed down Tonto toward Hellsgate.

I've been impressed with Haigler since my early introduction in the 90s. Tonto down near Hellsgate is even more impressive. The Hellsgate to Gisela trip remains on my to-do list, and now I'm certain that I'd like to do the whole Tonto from Bear Flat too. It looks like it could have some special places.

Eventually, I got far enough downstream that I found Joel. I kept going to the confluence and changed into dry clothes. Joel returned a while later and after a short fire to dry out and warm up, we headed out at 8pm for the 7+ miles back to the trailhead. The temperature was cool and there was occasionally a nice breeze that made for a perfect startlit evening for this hike. We hadn't been talking much on the steep climb, so as we passed El Grande Tank, I decided to talk loudly, knowing that this would be a prime spot for a predator to keep watch. As Joel remarked that it was almost certain a cat was keeping an eye on the tank, he panned his headlamp up the slope and caught the eyes of a lion that just sat and observed us as we hiked by. Sometimes it's nice to be hiking with two people!

A bit later I caught glimpse of what might have been another lion, but seemed smaller so I'm going to say it was a bobcat, and I also got to within a couple of feet of an owl in the trail that waited until the last second to fly away and absolutely scared the poop out of me. My headlamp made it clear that I had scared the poop out of it too. Literally.

A couple of cats down, and a crazy-close owl experience had us on alert, but the remaining glowing eyes belonged to cows. Still those future burgers managed to grab our attention for a split second too!

Good times in the wilderness. It was a long day, and I was happy to crawl into bed after 0100.

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water 4 out of 5 El Grande Tank 76-100% full 76-100% full
ugly looking but prob 80% or so

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water less than max Haigler Canyon Medium flow Medium flow
clear and nice

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water less than max Haigler Creek Medium flow Medium flow
clear and nice
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Nov 01 2016
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 Joined Jan 24 2016
 Arizona
Tonto Creek Bear Flat to HellsgatePayson, AZ
Payson, AZ
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MountainMattTriplogs 530
Canyoneering4.21 Miles 525 AEG
Canyoneering4.21 Miles   7 Hrs   12 Mns   1.05 mph
525 ft AEG   3 Hrs   11 Mns Break25 LBS Pack
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You may have heard me say once before that Tonto Creek is one of my absolute favorite Arizona watersheds and since I'm slowly but surely working on a full 70 mile descent I figured I'd check out this highly desired place on my list since I don't have the patience to wait until next summer like a normal person.

What better than to spend the first day of November inside the Hellsgate Wilderness!
Perect weather, absolute solitude and the opportunity to explore another new place I have high interest in made this one of the best days I've had in a very long time!

This is obviously a canyon that requires getting wet to properly descend but I mangaed to stay dry the first two miles with a great amount of scrambling, bushwhacking and lots of irregular movements. With that being said it was some of the slowest four miles I've ever traveled since my objective was to stay dry but I'm not complaining because that stretch of canyon is definitely a visual pleasure and I was soaking it all in.

About 1/4 of a mile out from Thompson Draw is where I was met with a massive 50 yard pool that was surrounded by large cliff walls on each side, one could proceed further while staying dry but it would involve a lot more hard work with numerous steep climbs up and down. Since I wanted to get some quality tripod time I decided to make that my stopping point for the day so I had a long lunch break and then made my way back upstream to set up for some photos.
This was just a quick scouting trip of this pristine area and I'm looking forward to a making a return to Hellsgate from one of the many different unique routes I've planned and thought out, I just wish I worked less and had more days off to accomplish that but hey don't we all!
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Autumn Foliage Observation Moderate
A few weeks past prime but there were still some healthy patches of fall foliage in certain areas, nice Sycamores and Maples.

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Sep 12 2015
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51 male
 Joined Mar 31 2008
 Gilbert, AZ
Tonto Creek Bear Flat to HellsgatePayson, AZ
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ssk44Triplogs 298
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I've spent a lot of time along lower Tonto Creek near Tonto Basin.  The mystique of the wild and rugged Hellsgate Wilderness has always captivate my thoughts.  Saturday was just a small taste.  I loved the pink granite. I'll likely be returning for more.


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May 25 2013
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38 male
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 Colorado Springs
Tonto Creek Bear Flat to HellsgatePayson, AZ
Payson, AZ
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ultrazonaTriplogs 204
Canyoneering14.00 Miles 384 AEG
Canyoneering14.00 Miles2 Days         
384 ft AEG
Canyon Hiking - Non-technical; no rope; easy scrambling; occasional hand use
B - Up to light current; wading/swimming; possible wet/dry suit
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Beautiful. A hell of a workout.
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Sep 27 2010
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 Fountain Hills
Tonto Creek Bear Flat to HellsgatePayson, AZ
Payson, AZ
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Canyoneering14.00 Miles 384 AEG
Canyoneering14.00 Miles   18 Hrs      0.78 mph
384 ft AEG
Basic Canyoneering - Scrambling; easy climbing/downclimbing; frequent hand use; rope recommended; easy exit
C - Strong current; wading/swimming; waterfalls; possible wet/dry suit
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We went in after heavy rains. Creek was swolen with less than one inch visibility making crossings slow to .5 mph. One waterfall about 4.5 miles in was impassable and we had to throw our packs in over a 15 foot ledge and jump down into the creek.Camped in canyon at 5 miles after 10 hours. Completed the last 2 miles next day in 4 hours. Counted 56 mandatory swims. Hellsgate 37 took about 4 hours to get out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGqb1vG_dkM

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 Prescott, AZ
Tonto Creek Bear Flat to HellsgatePayson, AZ
Payson, AZ
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Canyoneering4.00 Miles 384 AEG
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Canyon Hiking - Non-technical; no rope; easy scrambling; occasional hand use
C - Strong current; wading/swimming; waterfalls; possible wet/dry suit
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This was equal parts fishing and hiking. The hiking better than fishing, but both were fun. The creek is running quite fast now, definitely higher than the other pictures posted. Even though there were many campers I didn't see many people.
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Sep 29 2009
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60 male
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 Jackson, CA
Tonto Creek Bear Flat to HellsgatePayson, AZ
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toddakTriplogs 577
Canyoneering14.00 Miles 384 AEG
Canyoneering14.00 Miles   12 Hrs      1.17 mph
384 ft AEG
Canyon Hiking - Non-technical; no rope; easy scrambling; occasional hand use
B - Up to light current; wading/swimming; possible wet/dry suit
IV - Long, full day, bivy possible
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Car camped near the Hell's Gate trailhead, early next AM left the car there and mtn biked to Bear Flat. Took about 8 hours at a steady pace down the canyon to reach Hell's Gate, then another 4 hours back to the car with the last 2 hours or so by headlamp (trail got a little tricky in a few spots in the dark). Tough, fun day.
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