register help

104th Street Trail - MSP, AZ

no permit
0 60 0
Guide 60 Triplogs  0 Topics
Rated  Favorite Wish List AZ > Phoenix > Phoenix NE
1.6 of 5 by 8
clicktap icons for details
Difficulty 0.5 of 5
Distance One Way 0.8 miles
Trailhead Elevation 1,688 feet
Elevation Gain 77 feet
Accumulated Gain 84 feet
Kokopelli Seeds 1.08
varies or not certain dogs are allowed
editedit > ops > dogs to adjust
Photos Viewed All Mine Following
Inaugural Calculation on Button Tap!
7  2017-12-10
Gateway Loop Trail - MSP
4  2017-11-25
Thompson Peak from 104th St TH
9  2017-03-04
Thompson Peak from Dixie Mine TH
3  2017-02-26
Thompson Peak from Dixie Mine TH
7  2015-10-10
McDowell & Drinkwater Peaks
15  2015-06-07
Bell Pass East End Toms Thumb Loop
4  2015-02-12
Windgate Bell Loop
10  2015-01-10
Equestrian Bypass Trail - MSP
Page 1,  2,  3
Author HAZ_Hikebot
author avatar Guides 16,882
Routes 16,052
Photos 24
Trips 1 map ( 6 miles )
Age 22 Male Gender
Location TrailDEX, HAZ
Historical Weather
Trailhead Forecast
Expand Map
Preferred   Feb, Jan, Dec, Nov
Sun  6:15am - 6:26pm
Official Route
14 Alternative
Fauna Nearby
Flora Nearby
Meteorology Nearby
Named place Nearby
Culture Nearby

Author Full Detail Guide

Check out the Official Route and Triplogs.

Leave No Trace and +Add a Triplog after your hike to support this local community.

  • MSP Rock Climbing Guide - Page 1
    area related
    MSP Rock Climbing Guide - Page 1
  • MSP Rock Climbing Guide - Page 2
    area related
    MSP Rock Climbing Guide - Page 2
  • MSP Rock Climbing Guide - Page 3
    area related
    MSP Rock Climbing Guide - Page 3
  • MSP - Approved Climbing Areas 2011
    area related
    MSP - Approved Climbing Areas 2011
  • overview map
    area related

One-Way Notice
This hike is listed as One-Way.

When hiking several trails on a single "hike", log it with a generic name that describes the hike. Then link the trails traveled, check out the example.
WARNING! Hiking and outdoor related sports can be dangerous. Be responsible and prepare for the trip. Study the area you are entering and plan accordingly. Dress for the current and unexpected weather changes. Take plenty of water. Never go alone. Make an itinerary with your plan(s), route(s), destination(s) and expected return time. Give your itinerary to trusted family and/or friends.

Most recent of 31 deeper Triplog Reviews
104th Street Trail - MSP
rating optionrating optionrating optionrated 2rated 2
In keeping with the yearly goal of more peaks, more unique hits, and more miles, I decided to head out here. Wow. That last road is no joke. It felt never ending with a steepness I don't remember experiencing elsewhere. I think the paved portions make it seem like it isn't as steep as it is but holy crap.

I was going to attempt this last weekend but decided to do the loop around Tom's Thumb. I am glad I chose to follow lindaagm's route as it shaved a few miles off of the one I was going to use. I was gassed by the end.
104th Street Trail - MSP
rating optionrating optionrating optionrated 2rated 2
a quick between travel hike thanks to the temps being low enuf to get an after work hike in from 104th St clockwise on the Gateway Loop and then over on the Crosscut to Levee Trail.

A lovely day out. I wanted to get a good pace and it looks like I did altho I wonder about the mileage being a little off as HAZel didn't keep up with me the first bit. I did the adjustment in the Cloud when I loaded it to avoid the straight line but being as it didn't record, I'm thinking it missed 1/3-1/2 mile. I went thru the trip logs to see if anyone had done the loop like I had to get the correct mileage but to no avail. I'll have to try the route officially and make sure HAZel is with me the entire way. You just can't have anything else running unless you make sure to re-touch RS.

Anyway, not many folks out including no poop fairy to pick up the blue plastic bags. I did see a couple bike riders. As I came around on the south side heading west, the lingering palo verde's blooms was a sweet sight. It was good to get out instead of being stuck with going to the gym. I'm heading to Montana tomorrow. Sad thing is all my Iris are budding for the first time in 7 years and I'll miss getting to see them bloom all at one time; but at least I got to see a couple of the blooms.

Sorry that I haven't been able to keep up with everyone's trip logs and pictures. I feel bad as I know I'm missing a lot. I have to settle with the Comments and HAZ Forum for now and an occasional photo set and trip log. Now I'm off to Montana to hopefully close out the condo my dad was living in so I'll have one less thing to occupy my time.

Happy Trails.
104th Street Trail - MSP
rating optionrating optionrating optionrated 2rated 2
One last hike to round out the year. Took the family up to Flagstaff yesterday to play in the snow, figured that earned me a hike day. It has been three years since I did this one last, it is the only named MSP peak I have not gotten in this year. Hit the 104th trailhead about 7:15 to start my day before the sun was up. Didn't see much of the sun until I hit Bell Pass. Made my way in good time up and over. I took the cairned shortcut slownsteady mentioned, nice way to skip a bit of the road walk. Needed a few breaks getting up the tower road, just as steep as I remember it. There was a worked up top moving some heavy equipment around, he seemed none to happy to see me despite giving him a friendly hello...I got stuck behind him for a bit of the downhill as he maneuvered a skid steer down the really steep part of the road. Took one last break at Bell Pass again, then on back to the truck. Saw just a few folks in the morning, but quite a few on Bell Pass and Gateway on the way back. This makes 82 different peaks for 2015, surprised myself that I managed to get that many in without driving to every corner of the state. Happy New Year all!I
104th Street Trail - MSP
rating optionrating optionrated 3rated 3rated 3
Relatively quick morning hike. I started from Gateway around 7:15am and headed for Tom's Thumb. It was cold and windy but I was comfy in my fleece and shorts. Along the way I saw a few deer and javalina. I topped out and connected down the East End trail and continued over Bell Pass and headed back for the trailhead. A lot of people were starting their hike on my return. I was glad for the early start. As I neared the trailhead I detoured over to the 104th St / Equestrian Bypass trail. This way has little to no traffic and puts you out on south end of Gateway. Good option on a busy holiday weekend.
104th Street Trail - MSP
rating optionrating optionrating optionrated 2rated 2
McDowell & Drinkwater Peaks
Oh, this one has been on the to do list for quite a while. My wife had something going with the kids this morning, so this gave me a chance for the rare Saturday hike. I got over to the 104th street trailhead about 7:20 to start off for the day. I usually like using the smaller lot so I can avoid the Gateway crowd as much as possible...Uneventful trip to Bell Pass, made it there in 1:09 without any breaks, I am pretty happy with that. Here is where the trip started getting interesting. I basically followed Trekkin' Gecko's track up the east side of McDowell. The scramble was better than I anticipated, there are lots of things to poke you, but the footing is pretty stable all considered. The genus Cylindropuntia (Chollas) is well represented out here for sure...Topped out on McDowell and started the traverse to Drinkwater. I stayed on the ridgeline and had no problem making my way across, if you have done Camelback from the Cholla side this is no big deal. I took a break on Drinkwater to enjoy the views, and then started my way back around. Instead of summiting McDowell again I thought I would skirt around the west and south face, pretty sure this did not speed the process and might have taken longer in retrospect. Found my line to head back down to the Pass again and then hightailed it to the truck. Brought 3 liters and ran dry right as I got on the Levee trail fro the return, plenty of water back at the truck. I have now officially climbed all 5 of the bigger peaks in the MSP, woo hoo. Great hike!

P.S., Has anyone ever seen the purported bicycle patrol threatening to ticked off-trail hikers in the MSP? I have hiked out there at least a dozen times (both on and off trail) and have never seen these guys. Has anyone else???
104th Street Trail - MSP
rating optionrating optionrating optionrating optionrated 1
Wanted to do an easy family hike for Labor Day weekend. We did one car at Bell/104th and then other car at MMR community center. Brad and I had big clippers to do MSC Patrol trail maintenance. Following rules and regs from the City to prune back intrusive growth. Brad carried George and he got the tall stuff. I did all the back bending and crouching to cut back overgrowth. The canyon sage was out of control on Paradise trail along wash crossings. I knew from MSC digital patrol on Instagram that trail runners felt Paradise trail was overgrown. Need to go back with bigger clippers to really get all the wash crossings in good shape. But sun was setting and had to get back to the car.

Passing by our future-new-house is pretty darn cool. Can't wait to have Paradise trail as our "backyard". Levee trail is also unbelievably overgrown with creosote on both sides and down the median - will need several people with big clippers to really prune that back - maybe when weather gets better. Posted again to City about the poor condition of Bell/104th St trailhead parking lot. I'm about to go to Lowe's and buy some sand and gravel and get that gutter lip filled in. Summer rains have really made it worse. Will pester construction & maintenance chair at the next MSC event.

Brad went home to watch Auburn game - and I took kids to Twisted Lizard for an intentionally slow dinner. Then to Cream City Cafe for ice cream before home.
104th Street Trail - MSP
rating optionrating optionrating optionrating optionrated 1
We finished negotiations on a house that has a property line with Paradise Trail - inspections next week - and although I've hiked it a bunch - Brad has never been on this trail. So I wanted to show him Paradise Trail and our new house from the trail! You can't see the house from the trail but I know about where it is - there's a hill/ridge blocking view. We went up and around a little - saw the blanched shell of a dead desert tortoise. Then back Levee to 104th (two car shuttle). Gorgeous light through clouds at sunset. Then dinner at Mesquite Grille at MMR golf.

Can't wait to move into the new house! Backyard is the Preserve - dream come true! I can do MSC patrol from the patio in the hot tub LOL :lol:
104th Street Trail - MSP
rating optionrating optionrating optionrating optionrated 1
Sunday morning early hike - first time hiking after a medial collateral ligament injury in Florida early June. Wearing my knee brace and using poles. Did fine. Not even that slow.

Parked at MMR community center. Took Quartz :next: Paradise :next: Levee :next: 104th St trail :next: MMR neighborhood sidewalks to our house. Then Brad took me to go get my car later.

Haven't been on Paradise trail in a while. Beautiful morning light. Nice to live in a neighborhood right up against the Preserve - which was created to prevent more neighborhoods being built LOL. The parking lot at Bell/104th TH is in bad shape - reporting it to MSC/City. Needs fill in gravel and sand badly.
104th Street Trail - MSP
rating optionrating optionrating optionrating optionrated 1
Bell Pass East End Toms Thumb Loop
Got a great pre-dawn start from the 104st trailhead and headed up the Levee trail to Bell Pass. I had originally planned on taking Gateway back, but have always wanted to do East End and Toms Thumb west, so I took that loop instead. Wow! That is quite a bit more AEG going on that track! Fun times and great trails!

Barrel cactus and Ocotillo blooming.
104th Street Trail - MSP
rating optionrating optionrating optionrated 2rated 2
Bell Windgate Loop from 104th Street
Wanted to get in one good last hike before my ten day road trip to the NW visiting cousins, continuing up with following from last summer's route of the Ice Age Floods (incredible what happened to cause the landscape in part of western Montana, northern Idaho, Washington, Oregon all the way to the coast), visiting cousins, touring the west coast from Astoria to Bandon and then over inland via scenic highways to Portland. Oh, and did I mention we'll be visiting cousins.... mostly second cousins.

Anyway, I won't get to hike hike for at least two weeks unless getting in and out of the car a zillion times counts ;) . I wanted to hike on Saturday but you know, it just looked too cold and the weather still seemed tenuous so I opted to go on Sunday after I had breakfast at Village Inn. Don't know that I've hiked much after having a nice breakfast out. Well the breakfast thing was a story in itself but I don't want to digress more than I already have.

I started hiking around 8:30AM from the 104th St TH. Before approaching the Levee Trail there was actually a good puddle of water; not something I'm used to seeing out here. The Levee Trail is starting to be encroached upon by creosote bushes and they are pretty happy about that with all this rain. I decided not to crossover to the Gateway Trail until the Paradise crossover just to miss some of the people traffic.

Slightly before the old trail that crosses over to Gateway my HAZtraks had some kind of blip and told me I had gone another 1/2 mi after barely going a couple 10ths mi and that now I was at 5.83 miles "zoom zoom". Serious, she said "zoom zoom". WHAT? So I pulled the HAZtraks out, saved the track and started over. Well of course that would confuse me the rest of the day as now I had to use my head to get the real mileage.

Soon I arrived at the turn off to Bell Pass Trail thinking it was only 1.5 mi but alas it is 2. Oh well. I looked at my watch and figured I should make it in an hour at 10:15 but I'd give myself an extra 15 minutes just in case I wasn't feeling it. I kind of like this part of the trail and it was such a nice day even as my temporary filtered light disappeared into the big blue sky after the clash of the clouds scene I witnessed earlier :D .
As I got about 1/2 mile from starting the climb I decided I was struggling. Funny thing, I hiked the trail in my head and had no problem; sheesh! Well I kept going remembering I had no problem when I hiked this with Kelly on our way to do McDowell/Drinkwater Peaks. But today, it was an effort. So I pulled over in the shade and got my poles out. Thank goodness I decided to hike with my regular pack rather than what I call my city pack.

So up I started still struggling. Reminded me of my time going up Bear Mountain last Nov though not quite as bad. I was determined to get up to the Pass : rambo : because I didn't want to have a failure lingering in my head while on my road trip. So one foot in front of the other with a moment or two to check out the scenery. I kept thinking of all the other hikers I know that would already be at the Pass with the pace they can do.
I wasn't sure if I could get 'er done and sure didn't know if I would continue to Windgate or just go back but shockingly, at 10:20, I was there. I actually don't think this trail is that hard as it has some nice level areas but I just wasn't feeling it. So I had my banana, gathered my wits and headed east down the trail. It was a glorious morning really.

I saw a big lizard move across the trail in front of me. That was a big lizard so I softened my step hoping to see what it was. I was delighted to see an eastern collared lizard. I always get a little jealous when so many people get to see the critters and I don't. I showed the lizard to some other hikers coming but they didn't seem as impressed as me; oh well. A little further down I saw some blooming prickly pear, saguaros and palo verdes; all of it helped to pick up my spirits and Tibber was back :) . I made good time over to the Windgate intersection admiring the scenery along the way.

I drank some gatorade and now tackled Windgate Trail. I knew I was back to normal so it wasn't a problem at all and the elevation gain is so gradual. Soon I was at the saddle eating my snack and drinking a little more gatorade. I did a FB check in with a cell phone photo of the mountain that turned out not good even with editing. One of these times I'll figure that out ](*,) . The gnats were wanting to play so it was time to get moving west down the pass. I still had my trekking poles so I could get up some speed when I wanted. I was taking the time to check out the geology and the flora. I looked over to my right and there was a pretty good sized saguaro with blooms and as I was taking a picture of it, I suddenly noticed Tom's Thumb sticking out above it. Don't know that I've noticed Tom's Thumb from there before.

Once at the Gateway Loop intersection I put away the poles (they really help you maintain good speed on the rockier downhill), put away my hat and brot out the Chrome Dome. Body shade is just so much nicer than shade for my head. One fellow asked me "if it was raining at the Pass" and I said "no, but I was prepared just in case :lol:" . There is this one area I pass not too far from here that I always remember my heat exhaustion debacle that I had. I learned a lot from that but it is still a bad hiking memory.

I thot about going back via Gateway Saddle but I wanted to finish this route the exact same way I did in Oct 2011 to erase the bad karma I had that day. Today on the other hand, after my initial Bell Pass struggle, I was rolling. I figured johnlp and trekkin gecko were probably done with their hike. The trail from the VC junction to Levee Trail Junction with 104th St was longer than I thought. I wanted to be done by 1:30 and would have been except for that extra 10 minutes I struggled on Bell Pass.

So now I can go NW with a good hike under my belt. Here are 3 movies I did. I was by myself so there is a lot of narration.

Permit $$

Map Drive
Paved - Car Okay

To hike
page created by joebartels on Apr 22 2012 8:29 pm
help comment issue

end of page marker