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Peters Lower Tortilla
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Malapais Peter's Canyon Loop
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Geronimo - Malapais - Peters Canyon Loop
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Author joebartels
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The tourist attraction is the Flats?
by joebartels

The trek to Peter's Cave is a good introduction to lower Peters Canyon. Peters Canyon starts on the north side of Music Mountain. It runs about 5.5 miles(6.5 miles if you follow the zig-zags of the canyon floor) northwest to Tortilla Canyon, very close to Tortilla Flats. To check out the origins of this canyon see "Peters Trail to 2nd Saddle".

No maintained trails will be found in this area. Route finding skills are necessary. Trail data given is for the white line in the canyon, out & back. This will take you approximately 4 hours. If you follow the two red line shortcuts you can make this trip in 3 hours. Check out the map provided. This trek starts anywhere up to a mile east of Tortilla Flats. Numerous pullouts alongside SR88 are available. I recommend finding one closer to Tortilla Flats. This way you can take advantage of an excellent short cut.

Click to enlarge MapFrom your car head straight down into the Tortilla Canyon creek bed. You can follow Tortilla Creek east, but it's nothing spectacular. If you do, finding the point to turn into Tortilla Canyon might be tricky. There's two moderately-tricky route finding points in this hike. You can skip this first one and save time too by taking a shortcut. So... from your car, head down into Tortilla Creek. Then head straight back up the south side. It's steep but you'll soon find a good trail of use. Go east on this good trail. It will take you over then down to Tortilla Canyon. This is also where Tortilla Canyon becomes distinctive.

Follow Tortilla Canyon about a half mile to Peters Canyon. The terrain isn't difficult. Only minor scrambling side to side around obstacles is necessary. Nevertheless, it slows you down considerably compared to a well traveled maintained trail. The second moderate-tricky route finding point is the turn into Peters Canyon. If you've studied you're topographical map, finding the mouth of Peters Canyon won't be difficult. It's simply the first canyon coming in on your right. It's slightly elevated so you could miss it if you aren't paying attention. Your first view into Peters Canyon is impressive and should get the adrenaline kicking in.

The easy canyoneering soon gives way to a series of huge boulders. You can make it through with some good Tarzan abilities. I know nothing about climbing ratings. So let me put it this way... you will have to lift yourself in some funky twisting, blinding, comprising situations. There's two or three problems at most. Lucky you, on the left are some easier bypasses to each problem. If you really want it easy there's a trail of use that skirts the whole problematic situation all together. I didn't figure this out on my first attempt. I'm kind of glad too, because you miss the boulders all together and they are impressive.

Just past the boulders you are greeted by a gray/white section of washboard granite. It's a pleasant visual site. Plus it's nice in the fact that you can stroll across this section quickly after the slow going so far. Near the end of this section or when the first leaning saguaro on the right appears is a landmark of sorts. You won't know it until further down the canyon. Looking back it's a face. Did I mention this canyon is filled to the brim with "Lost Dutchman" legends. Read Stewart & Carlson's "Hiker's Guide to the Superstition Wilderness" for more information.

Continue on, the going isn't difficult but it isn't quick either. The canyon bends lightly to the left then sharply to the right. You'll see the cave on your right a little ways up from the canyon floor. It's not completely visible from the canyon below. A steep but very short scramble gets you up to the cave. This is the turn around point for this description and a moderate day hike. Return the same way.

From the cave you get a great view further up the canyon. If you're more adventurous the next half mile of canyon is very impressive! If you're extremely adventurous you might try jumping the ridge over to Tortilla Canyon. This puts you in prime location to return through Tortilla Canyon's impressive section. I didn't jump the ridge myself so you're on your own. It appears possible on this side but I can't say for the flip side. By the way... If you plan on staying at the Tortilla Flats Resort while in the area, bring your own sheets!

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2002-01-02 joebartels
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Peters Lower Tortilla
Did some hiking and exploring in Peter's Canyon and Lower Tortilla Creek. Peaked into Peter's Cave and it appears it may be occupied as we saw a sleeping bad and propane tanks. Went a little further up canyon to the point we had to either swim or continue climbing with some exposure so we decided to call it and retreat. Did get further than previous attempts. Climbed out of Peter's Canyon and dropped into Tortilla Creek to check out Hells Hole Spring which surprisingly had very clear and running water. On the way back to the parking lot we took a detour to check out Fragile Arch, which there was a signed trail maker. Great day of hiking :y:
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I led a group of six (counting me) on an out-and-back hike to Peter's Cave on Friday. This is the third time that I've done this hike.

The trail (of use) leading to Tortilla Canyon is much better defined now. We were able to follow it without making any wrong turns.

We chose to work our way through the boulders shortly after entering Peter's Canyon. However, a pair of backpackers quickly passed us by bypassing this entire section via a trail on the west side of the canyon. We enjoyed scrambling through the boulders, however.

I saw more water on this trip than on either of my previous two times in Peter's Canyon. In past trips, there were pools of water, but not much flowing water. On this trip, the pools were larger and the water was flowing nearly the entire way.

Despite the presence of more water, the way seemed easier than I remember it being on past trips to Peter's Canyon, though it may just be that I'm more familiar with the area now.

We did make one wrong turn on the way back. As we were nearing the trailhead on our return, a better defined trail turns left (south) which leads to a road on private property. Care must be taken here to continue west down into the wash (and back up again) leading back to the parking area.

Rock Live-Forever, Brittlebush, Hackberry Beardtongue, Owl Clover, Mexican Poppy, Desert Chicory, Globemallow, Fleabane, Mariposa Lily, Perezia/Brownfoot, Hedgehog blossoms.
Peter's Cave
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I led a group of six (counting me) out to Peter's Cave. Several of us hiked part of it last October, but didn't have enough time to make it all the way to the cave.

One member of our group doesn't like hikes with exposure, but she had no problem with the section with boulders; she used the trail left of the boulders to avoid some of the more interesting sections.

We saw a lot of water - even flowing water - on this hike, but managed to avoid it without getting wet.

The water proved to be helpful on the way back as two members of our party ran out of water on the way back; my son filtered water for them so that they could get back without getting dehydrated. (I brought two 3L reservoirs and drank approx 5L.)
Peter's Cave
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Claire and I were looking for a moderate hike in the Supes before the summer heat sets in. I stumbled onto this hike when searching HAZ and it turned out to be the perfect choice.

We drove up on Sunday morning and parked in the overflow lot at Tortilla Flat. The first half mile winds through the desert and you have to avoid a variety of cacti. We both had to pull out cactus needles. From there you drop into the creek bed and make your way up canyon. We eventually hit a large rock fall that reminded us of Goldstrike Canyon. We took our time and looked for the best route. This was a really fun section!

The next section was the flat and smooth rock where we made good time and also saw a Gila Monster. We continued on and pushed all the way to Peter’s Cave. There is a modest scramble to reach the cave. We took our lunch and enjoyed the shade. From there we dropped back into the creek bed and made the return as the heat picked up. We stopped at Tortilla Flat for a drink and then returned to Phoenix.

This was a really fun “hike”. The Canyoneering is fun but never overwhelming. Long pants are ideal but we both wore shorts and were fine. There were a few swimming holes but only the first one was ideal. Most of the water has evaporated and the rest of the holes were covered in green muck. Give this area a go if you have a few hours and want something a little different.
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Geronimo - Malapais - Peters Canyon Loop
Bubby took me up to Geronimo Head my first time three years ago and the views were incredible through one eye.

Joe and I had more than just Geronimo Head planned for the day. The climb to Geronimo Head was just as thick and steep as I remembered. 1.8 miles in (2 hours+ later) we made it to the top and worked our way south. 2.5 miles in and we're past 3363 and out on the sweet spine on the SW end of Geronimo Head. In my mind, this spot gives you the best perspective of the Battleship in all of the Superstitions!

Up to Geronimo Head :next:

Off to make our way to Malapais. We hit 3509 on the way, passed by a campsite in the open, complete with a recent sleeping bag, sleeping pad, and 10 or so 12oz bottles of water. Looking at Malipais from this point it was pretty obvious the area we were going to climb through.

Once again, a thick and steep climb to the top. Joe made a good call to change the route from what we had planned. It cut off some mileage and time that we'd need later. Instead of going up the North side of the Draw and then swinging to the South, we climbed up the South side of the Draw and hit a hard South to gain 4159. At this point we were looking for some shade to take some lunch. There is little to no shade available up there. We continued to the high point of 4229, 3.7 miles from Geronimo Head and then started down to the East looking for shade.

At this point we were both tired of the bushwhacking and boulder hopping. We were looking forward to the straight forward Peter's Canyon Creek bed hike back to the truck
But to get to Peter's Canyon to the East was another steep, loose bushwhack, only about 1.2 miles and all downhill, but it still took us almost 2 hours to cover the distance.

Finally the creek bed... then the realization that we had more than 4.5 miles in the creek bed and what looks like a smooth super highway from 1600' above, is basically just another form of boulder hopping. We're also realizing that we'd be finishing in the dark... 2 miles plus in the dark. From what I saw before it got dark, Peter's Canyon was a pretty and special place. But I just wanted out.

The Sign at Tortilla Flats where we parked said no overnight parking and hours in the lot were something like 6am to 7pm.... bla, bla, bla.... towed ... I was glad my vehicle was still there.

This had to be my slowest going hike of all time.

On a Side Note:
I'm happy to note the the Suburu was fine, the Garmin 62 worked flawlessly and the Panasonic took some pretty good shots.
Peter's Cave
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Malapais Peter's Canyon Loop
I have water but I don't want it.

Fond memories of this area seemed off key. Malapais is #17 on my favorites list after 17 years of hiking.

Heading up Geronimo
as rough as I remember ( shouldn't it be easier )

Approaching Malapais
this is taking forever, two-thirds to go :scared:

Whose friggen route did I download. This isn't how "I" do it. ( under my breath ) this is a horrible idea, we'll never make it. ( out loud ) looks good, this is it, let's go.

1 Hour - 25 minutes
Our lunch spot was on the east side of Malapais, 200 ft from the top. We found shade on the east side of a rock outcrop. No more ascending. Ridge shade advantage queued the orchestra. Refreshed we descended to Peter's Canyon. Nearly an hour and a half later... please, shoot me

Peter's Canyon
YES! I can fly. Smooth boulders. Happy, happy, joy, joy!

Tenth of a Mile Later
How many miles in this canyon?
the number four sounded like butter hitting a hot skillet sliding away to infinity

Bruce didn't get to see the Peralta Headquarters, the face or the grinding holes. Near the end he mentioned... "one thing I know about Peter's Canyon, I'm NEVER coming back". It was sad and funny all wrapped in one.

Took 3 quarts agua, half frozen. Never ran out ( last sip at the car ) but wish I froze that bad boy solid. Mid 80's in February is not typical. This loop mid 80's in the summer would be a steal. Acclimated to winter it was tough. Random puffy clouds would have made a world of difference. 5-6 hours of sleep before a hike is good, net total between two hikers blows.
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There was MUCH more water here than I was expecting, which was a nice surprise. Plenty was coming out of Peter's Canyon, so all the little waterfalls were flowing.


Aside from the slick rock area, the canyon itself was nearly choked with vegetation, most of it nasty. The trail on the left that bypasses the huge boulders at the entrance is pretty dense and overgrown, but not too deadly. However, the use trail on the left inside the canyon is a catclaw carnival. I hardly recognize the place from my first visit 6 years ago. Then, you could appreciate the geology here, but now everything is covered with skin shredding plants. I was kind of expecting this, so I brought clippers - not that I blazed a trail, just used them to get through impassable spots. I had the foresight to wear long pants, but I got scratched right through them. This stuff was tough enough to keep untying my shoes and they were DOUBLE TIED! My backpack got snagged and it took everything I had to break free... or so I thought. I walked about 100 feet before I noticed a long nylon string which seemed to be attached to my back and something now out of my sight. I snapped it off and when I caught up to my son, I asked if there was a string hanging off my pack. There was a long pause before he said, "I've never seen anything like this." I asked what he meant and he just said, "You'll find out." As long as nothing was crawling on me, I wasn't going to take off my pack, so we kept going. When we got to the car, I saw that one of the webbing straps had completely unraveled and was nothing but fringe, ripped to shreds by some bloodthirsty biological nightmare. I guess it could have been worse... could have been my skin. If you go there, wear jeans... or, possibly kevlar.


When we left, the big parking lot was 110% full and I had a hard time getting out of my spot. Tortilla Flat looked like Disneyland and cars were still pouring in with nowhere to park. I think the entire state of Iowa was there. It's that time again!
Peter's Cave
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This was a really tough day even though the mileage was short! It was all off-trail once we left Peter's Canyon (which could be considered off-trail as well).

We started off at 7:15am from Tortilla Flat. Made our way along the trail that follows above Tortilla Creek and then eventually drops into the creek. After some rock hoping and light brush navigating, we made it through Tortilla and to the intersection with Peter's. Peter's Canyon starts off with some large, house-sized boulders but are easily climbed. Travel was slow through Peter's since it is all rock hoping or boulder climbing with a few short slick rock sections thrown in. We spent a lot time stopping and spying the various caves and alcoves found up above us. There is so much to see in this canyon, I could spend many days here! Fortunately we didn't have much problem bypassing any of the pools or waterfalls since there isn't much water at all in Peter's right now. I was happy to see that a large pool that had stopped me in February 2011 was completely dry today. I had planned on taking a small boat to cross this pool. Glad I didn't bring it.

Once we got to Pistol Canyon we could see that it was completely choked with vegetation. We decided to give it a try anyway but only made it up a few hundred yards. Its not really sharp stuff but just very thick. Figuring it would take more time to fight through the veg, we turned around and resumed with Peter's. We followed Peter's around a long bend and eventually left the canyon to take a slope up to Peter's Mesa. The slope was covered in cat's claw, cactus and other various sharp, mean, evil, plants. This was pretty much how the rest of the day would be.

From the mesa (its wasn't really Peter's Mesa, but close enough) we picked up Wally's track that leads up to Malapais Mountain. Looking at the proposed route, we were skeptical at first but this turned out to be a pretty good way up to the peak. We crossed over the heads of Squaw and Deering Canyon, passing by an old camp. I originally wanted to take a detour down Deering Canyon to the choke stone but decided to save that for another day. The views from Malapais were excellent even though it was a bit hazy today. I had never seen Battleship from above before, interesting to be able to look down on it! We could not find a peak register on top of Malapais, maybe there isn't one.

From Malapais, we followed Joe's track all the way back to Tortilla Flat, skipping Geronimo Head. The first mile or so, across the other two peaks north of Malapais, was the most brutal part of the day. Every foot step has to be carefully placed as every bit of vegetation it out to assault you! The trip down from Malapai was quite unpleasant, I don't see my self ever doing it again. I'm glad I did it though, just never again.

The long steep sloping section down to Tortilla Flat was made a bit more enjoyable as we had the sounds of a live band from the restaurant playing Elvis and rockabilly tunes to help motivate us. Pretty cool!

Thanks for joining me, John!
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Turns out there's two ways to approach this canyon and looks like I choose the scenic way. :lol: From Tortilla Flat, we climbed towards the backside of Geronimos Head and crossed thru upper Geronimos Ravine. From there we proceeded SE along the ridge on the backside of Geronimos Head towards Malapais. Great views from up there BTW. :D There's a saddle between the Head & Malapais and after dropping down to it, we dropped into the drainage on the northside named Quartz Canyon by a fellow canyoneer. The upper canyon involved much bushwhacking and rock hopping but it was scenic enough. Lower down some slickrock, pools, and falls entered the scene. We hit a slick 20ft falls that could have been down climbed but it looked slippery while it was flowing so we decided to rappel it. :) After some more rock hopping, pool avoiding & bypassing another falls we hit that sweet double drop of 120ft. The midway ledge is sharp, so be careful where you place the rope and rappel smoothly. The rope pull can be tricky on this one so rig cleanly and get a good angle on it. Just a little way further down canyon after a couple awkward down climbs you reach another 120ft dry fall. :GB: One down, you got some slippery down climbing past big boulders before you hit Peters Canyon where we dropped gear. From there, you pass thru some of the best sections of narrows & slickrock in Peters before you hit Tortilla Canyon. By then you're tired of rock hopping and just want it to be over, so the bypass trail out of lower Tortilla to Tortilla Flat is always a welcome relief. I'd have to say this is def one of the better recently discovered Supes canyons! :D
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Flora: Not much to really speak of. I am investigating a new burr we found on our socks. We didn't see the plant but it is a hollow 1/4 round and mellon green (seed pod perhaps) that have hard red hairs/spikes radiating outwards, may be 20 spaced a good distance apart and maybe 1/4 inch tall.
Note: Seed pod is belongs to White Ratany, a bush that I have seen but never tempted to identify. Apparently the deer and cows like it. Indians used the roots for red ink and dyes.

Fauna: Antlion! Heard, not saw a bee hive on the move, always a little scary. And we came across the remains of a deer or other hoofed creature, it was the same one that Vaporman has in his photo set from back in March.

After yesterday's fiasco and the cool temps promised by an 87* high, staying in town was what we were looking to do. So even though this hike is a little out of season, this was the only in town hike that I have been studying, even had the track on my GPS. It seems like forever since we have been to the Soops and driving over the 60 it's rugged skyline was just screaming adventure.
After 6 months of drooling over this hike it makes sense that I would get off track right from the beginning.

We parked in the upper parking lot behind the post office. Took the most obvious trail that didn't have a gate with a no trespassing sign. It's to the left of that gate and kind of hidden until you walk right up on it. It's the right trail. The trail description had said to make your way to Tortilla creek but this trail went up to a Phone pole. Standing under the Phone lines is where the trick happens. A pair of prickly pears seem to insist that you go around a bush. Doing this sets your eyes on trail that seems obvious but we learned on the way back that you have to go all the way around the bush and continue almost as if the prickly pair were not there. Even still just a few steps on to right trail there is another trail option. I would choose the left one, closest to the creek. The trail never officially goes to the creek but instead skirts the hillside for awhile before making it's way up to the saddle.

During my course correction I left Wendi behind as I went off trail to find the trail. I went down hill towards the creek. As I did I came across two other trails and as I came to each one they both looked a little choked and from each I could see the next the third one was indeed the charm. I called to Wendi to come on down, I went to pull out my GPS just to confirm and it was gone! I patted down my pockets again, nothing. I patted them once more, nothing. How could this..."Missing something?" Wendi asked. "As a matter of fact I am.". Apparently some Catclawed bandit lifted my pocket. Wendi found it dangling by it's tangled lanyard in bush up the hill.

Making it finally to the saddle we made our way down towards the creek. Just before you get there though the flora make one last attempt to thwart you. A sheer wall of jumping cholla on one side and a sheer wall of prickly pair on the other and they stand maybe a foot or more apart and stand up to your belly button. Nerves of steel, my friends nerves of steel. It's like an organic version of Fatman's pass. Make it through and relax, then get ready to do it again cause there is one more prickly "Paired" (pun intended) volley.

We hiked past some unexpected pools of water. They were really nothing spectacular and really only meant the area was a little buggy. They were interesting if not pretty to look at but soon dryed up and the bugs lessened along with it. We hiked on following the natural contours of the canyon floor, my eyes were drawn to the canyon walls which had receded quite aways to the south and mostly obscured by a growing hillside of desert bramble. The top of the Canyon walls had a large cut of sky and the scene kind hinted at a possible canyon hidden in the distance. To me the walls looked like double doors that opened away and were inviting you to come in. I was pointing to them and announcing that I wanted to go there! Wendi however interrupted with her own find. Directly behind me was an huge natural arch. Pretty sure I had seen a picture of this on HAZ so it was a good find, and the shade it provided was a gift. We sat in it's shade and ate our lunch as I pondered those double doors. Looking at the map I had, it finally occurred to me that was in fact the entrance to Peter's Canyon. Oh man, was this gonna be a good day!
Powering through lunch as I always do and waiting for Wendi to finish, I started noticing the little pits in sand. Antlions?! I grabbed thin blade of grass and drug it around the pit entrance and sure enough an aggressive barrage of sand began spitting out of the center of the pit. It was on miniscule scale, almost cute, but I would certainly hate to be the size of an ant. I tried to get the little Doodlebug to bite but no go. I showed it to Wendi who gave a giggle at the unseeable Antlion. I tested a few of the other pits I could find but with no takers, the pits presumably abandoned. Then I remembered the hike and we were off.

The entrance as reported was choked with house sized boulders. There a few tricky spots. The cairns point the way, though one was double stack of rocks situated on top of an immense 20ft boulder which sat side by with three other similar sized boulders. I scoffed thinking this must be a joke. But on faith I just walked towards it, climbed the first obstacle looked left back down the canyon and up. The path was obvious from that point, kind of pseudo switch back which brings you high against the canyon walls then back over the top of the boulders.

I had figured looking at the topos that from the arch was about a mile plus. But as canyon bouldering goes it felt like 2.5. Leaving Wendi in a shady section I ran ahead just to confirm that there was indeed a cave ahead of us and not some how behind us. I went a short distance and around the next bend and there it was, the top of it any ways though most of it was obscured.

After retrieving Wendi we returned to our hike. A few minutes later we were standing on the canyon floor looking up at the cave. I knew there was a scramble but it certainly seemed higher up than I expected. The scrambled trail wasn't readily obvious but if you look hard, letting your eyes adjust, it starts to pop.

Once we made it up there we just took in everything there was to see. The cave is partitioned. The complex wide and tall but shallow by comparison. The left half is the biggest section and seems to be inhabited by a tribe of Swallows who didn't like me climbing the sloped floor. They showed their disfavor by flying aggressively around the canyon trying lead me away from their nests. I could hear the sounds of nursing chicks up there so I left them to their side and investigated the smaller cavern which appeared to be an elaborate campsite. An elaborate campsite that looked like some had dibbs on it already. There was bed roll, cookset, and climbing rope. A high walled fire ring was fashioned against the back wall which was well blackened with soot from what must have been many a campfire.

We left shortly after a quick snack never seeing anyone else or anyone belonging to the gear. Though our plan was to go further up the canyon and cross the ridge to Tortilla we cut it short and decided to save that adventure for when this hike is actually in season. We made back to the TH much faster than even we expected. I guess knowing where you've been has it's advantages.

Wendi says I should probably say goodbye to Soops for the Season... Goodbye Soops :cry:

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To Tortilla Flat Trailhead
From Idaho Road & SR-88 follow SR-88 east 17.0 miles to Tortilla Flat. Continue just past the buildings and before the bridge-less flood ravine. On the south side of the road near the museum follow a road that rises up. This takes you up to an overflow parking lot where hikers are allowed to park. If you are parking overnight fill out a free permit as stated on the sign.

Parking elsewhere has been reported by members as a $75 ticket from the Forest Service.

From PHX (I-10 & AZ-51) 52.0 mi - about 1 hour 10 mins
From TUC (Jct 1-10 & Grant) 145 mi - about 2 hours 27 mins
From FLG (Jct I-17 & I-40) 196 mi - about 3 hours 14 mins
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