Water

[joebartels]

Interesting tidbit I came across today...

Keep water cold if it tastes better for you. Keep a pitcher of water in the refrigerator at home. Add ice or freeze water in a sports bottle before taking it with you, it will eventually melt and stay cold. Bear in mind that cold water takes energy for your body to regulate the temperature, and does burn some calories. Room temperature water is better if you're dehydrated. Your body can absorb the room temperature water immediately, instead of the body having to raise the temperature of the water first in order to process it.

BTW... can you process four gallons of water in a day?

[BobP]

BTW... can you process four gallons of water in a day?

If you are awake for 24 hrs....your body can process about 6 gallons or about 1 liter per hour...at least thats what I was "teached" during Ninja training. You can also go without water which isn't much fun especially when your working out in the desert holding the water and praying you don't drop any of it;) .

To exceed the body's ability to excrete water, a young adult with normal kidney function would have to drink more than 6 gallons of water a day on a regular basis..... from Merck

[hippiepunkpirate]

If you are awake for 24 hrs....your body can process about 6 gallons or about 1 liter per hour

So given a good nights sleep of 8 hours, a person should be awake for 16 hours. That would equate to about 4 gallons by your ninja rules. The question is, do ninjas process water more efficiently than the average person, or in our case, the average hiker?

[BobP]

The question is, do ninjas process water more efficiently than the average person, or in our case, the average hiker?

A Ninja never sleeps ;) . I'm glad I gave it up....8 hrs of sleep is like a weeks worth for Joe. To answer your question YES the body can process 1 liter per hour Ninja or not unless you have medical issues.

[fricknaley]

Ninja or not unless you have medical issues.

regular medical issues or ninja-related medical issues??

[writelots]

regular medical issues or ninja-related medical issues??

;)

I've been trying to come up with a clever ninja-related medical issue...but it's hard to do. Never seen a sick Ninja. Of course, I could have been pummeled silly by one and still not have seen it...

[BobP]

@fricknaley
Remember hewhoreadsshadows....when you read a ninja shadow it is invisble....therefore lies the answer.

[hippiepunkpirate]

I've been trying to come up with a clever ninja-related medical issue...but it's hard to do. Never seen a sick Ninja. Of course, I could have been pummeled silly by one and still not have seen it...

How about liver-disease from too much Sake?

[fricknaley]

ninjas get elbow pain from throwing ninja stars and foot pain from kicking people in the face all the time.

[Jeffshadows]

The current recommended intake is 500-750ml of water per hour during strenuous exercise with environmental complications (Heat, etc.) Considering that most people don't last far beyond sixteen hours of exertion, I'm thinking four gallons of water is way too much for even a large man. My guess is it would be a recipe for hyponaturemia, in most cases...

[Alston_Neal]

I always thought ninjas died from bad over dubbing.

[joebartels]

@jeffmacewen good point
I figured it would vary by size and condition of the individual along with weather, terrain factors, etc. This article had some interesting mentions...

Avoid use of nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory (NSAIDS) medicines that contain sodium. Research suggests that these drugs may predispose runners to hyponatremia

Studies have shown that high intensity athletes can lose up to 2 grams of salt per liter of sweat.

On the next Jacinto or Rim Binary Fipled I'll see if we can get Bob to drink his quoted 6 gallons

[BobP]

Here is the rest of the article....I put in bold what I thought most interesting..The most I've ever drank in a 24hr period was 5 gallons . Now, I usually drink 1 1/2 - 3 gallons depending on the activity.

Overhydration is an excess of water in the body.

People can have overhydration if they drink too much or if they have a disorder that decreases the body's ability to excrete water.
Often, no symptoms occur, but people may become confused or have seizures.
Fluid intake is restricted and diuretics may be given.

Overhydration occurs when the body takes in more water than it loses. Overhydration can occur, for example, when athletes drink excessive amounts of water or sports drinks to avoid dehydration, or when people drink much more water than their body needs because of a psychiatric disorder called psychogenic polydipsia. The result is too much water and not enough sodium. Thus, overhydration generally results in low sodium levels in the blood (hyponatremia—see Minerals and Electrolytes: Hyponatremia), which can be dangerous. However, drinking large amounts of water usually does not cause overhydration if the pituitary gland, kidneys, liver, and heart are functioning normally. To exceed the body's ability to excrete water, a young adult with normal kidney function would have to drink more than 6 gallons of water a day on a regular basis.
Overhydration is much more common among people whose kidneys do not excrete urine normally—for example, among people with a disorder of the heart, kidneys, or liver. Overhydration may also result from the inappropriate secretion of antidiuretic hormone (see Minerals and Electrolytes: Syndrome of Inappropriate Secretion of Antidiuretic Hormone). In this syndrome, the pituitary gland secretes too much antidiuretic hormone, stimulating the kidneys to conserve water when that is not needed. Premature infants may become overhydrated if they receive too large an amount of intravenous fluids.

Brain cells are particularly susceptible to overhydration and to low sodium levels in the blood. When overhydration occurs slowly, brain cells have time to adapt, so few symptoms occur. When overhydration occurs quickly, confusion, seizures, or coma may develop.

Doctors try to distinguish between overhydration and excess blood volume. With overhydration and normal blood volume, the excess water usually moves into the cells, and tissue swelling (edema) does not occur. With overhydration and excess blood volume, an excess amount of sodium prevents the excess water from moving into the cells. Instead, the excess water accumulates around the cells, resulting in edema in the chest, abdomen, and lower legs.




Did You Know...

Drinking too much fluid can be harmful, even in healthy people.


Treatment

Regardless of the cause of overhydration, fluid intake usually must be restricted (but only as advised by doctors). Drinking less than a quart of fluids a day usually results in improvement over several days. If overhydration occurs because of heart, liver, or kidney disease, restricting the intake of sodium (sodium causes the body to retain water) is also helpful.

Sometimes, doctors prescribe a drug to increase sodium and water excretion in the urine (diuretic). In general, diuretics are more useful when overhydration is accompanied by excess blood volume.

[Jeffshadows]

It's a tricky issue. People trying to prevent over-hydration get struck down at Kona every time, etc...

[BobP]

Another note...a big issue here is excretion which while hiking most people can take care of that part. Some marathoners do it ;) and others don't.

To answer Joe's ? again yes the body definitely can process 4 gallons....but that same 4 gallons or less has and can kill people. It happened at a local radio station during a contest wee for a Wii....issue was they weren't allowed to go to the bathroom. The widower was awarded 16.5 million

[joebartels]

There will be no contest here on HAZ

[Jeffshadows]

The Marines lost a guy a few years back, too...

[sneakySASQUATCH]

@ rlrjmy
In the late 80's I roofed in Phoenix during the summers. I routinely drank 4+ gallons of water with a little gatorade powder mixed in per 12 hr. shift and never had to urinate. I have no ninja training.
Does that mean I was relieving myself through my skin? :yuck:

[writelots]

I have no ninja training.
Does that mean I was relieving myself through my skin? :yuck:

I would think you would NEED ninja training for this kind of trick... :yuck:

[BobP]

In the late 80's I roofed in Phoenix during the summers

What the hack haven't you done? BTW my roof needs fixing when are you available? ;)