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Snick33 wrote:When driving on 260, in that area be on the lookout for elk, they are everywhere, and hitting one is a serious accident. I read that on 260, in Sitgreaves last year, there were six Elk accidents, per mile of road.

I'd like to read that please

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PRESCOTT - A local Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation committee member struck and critically injured a bull elk with his pickup after leaving a fund-raiser for the animal.

The accident occurred May 17 on Arizona 89 at about 10:30 p.m.

"He was standing in the middle of the road when I came around the corner," said Scott Glattfelder, who estimated the 3-year-old elk's weight at more than 700 pounds.
"Bull elk" means an antlered elk.
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Really skinny cows then?
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I read it in Arizona Confidential I think, no wait, it was in the May isue of Delusional Hikes Monthly . . . . . .
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ummm maybe there's more to the story... perhaps a personal account :lol:

I said go hunting in your jeep not with your jeep

When I said floor it, I was talking about the one on the left
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When I was with ADOT, I managed a long range study of SR 260. Numers of accidents involving elk cited above in this thread are not at all out of range. One night while driving between Show Low and Heber (about 34 miles) we counted 18 elk ON THE PAVEMENT. Their fur is surprisingly non-reflective,so if you don't see the eye reflection, they are almost invisible.

Since their body mass is rather high on long thin legs, the bulk of the carcass usually lands dead center in the windshield of passenger cars and light trucks. If you are driving an 18 wheeler they can bounce pretty well, but otherwise, the results are not real fun. Ditto for moose, who have a worse disposition than elk.
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well, if Randy says so then I have to kneel in front of Rick and beg for forgiveness :sweat: (go easy on me Rick)

so how much of 260 falls in the Sitgreaves Forest?

if there's a 100 miles, I'm still having trouble believing there was 600 elk accidents in one year

at any rate, I'm BEGINNING to understand the signs every ten feet! :o
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Thanks you Randy, I was feeling like the bully was pushing me around on the playgroung again, (not so easy considering my size). There is a scene in the movie "The Straight Story" about a motorist in Wisconsin, (I think it was), who hit something like 11 deer in one month while driving the same road to work every day. And finally, when I was a kid in Michigan, my dad hit so many deer driving to a project site in the Upper Peninsula, that when he finally shot one during hunting season and called mom to tell her he got a deer; her first question was: "hows the car?" :lol:
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Here's that proof Joe
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I suddenly regret posting that photo, I apologize if I've offended anyone. It's rather grusome, but it really does happen and when it does, it's not just a dent in your fender.
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ya that's pretty sick man

of course if it's 600 then something similar to that happens 1.64 times a day
(assuming there's a hundred miles of road, of which I haven't a clue. That's why I'm curious on the figure)
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Snick33 wrote:I suddenly regret posting that photo, I apologize if I've offended anyone. It's rather grusome, but it really does happen and when it does, it's not just a dent in your fender.
No kidding. Try explaining to your insurance agent it was just an accident as you wave through your (non-existent) windshield.

I remember driving up north in Wisconsin only traveling at about 20-30 mph in traffic; the other lane was doing like 60; a deer leapt in front of us and rocketed into the oncoming lane. It was devastation. Car parts, deer parts all over the place. I still see that deer in my side-view mirror sliding down the road. Poor guy. Just wanted to get to the other side...
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Which answers the age old question: Why did the chicken cross the road? To prove to the Deer that it could be done.
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Okay I just remembered something...

on the farm in Nebraska
we had six dogs named bandit

bandit sure did like to chase the mail truck
...head on :sweat:
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I like that one Joe.

You and I share a mutal dislike for anecdotal information and I am trying to verify those stats. James Randi, (http://www.randi.org/) always points out that a lot of anecdotal information is no more valid that a little anecdotal information.
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Oh! That's so sad... you lived in Nebraska? :lol: Just Kidding!! I mean about the dogs, is that true?
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yep, at my cousins

I was 4 to 8 at the time and didn't know, but remember being confused why bandit kept changing from collie to sheppard. Then about five years ago I mentioned it to my brother, he filled me in on the rest of the story.

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Observed a cow elk give birth earlier this year. Once I assisted in delivering a baby. The new and first time mom told me she felt like she passed a watermelon. The new born elk with its long legs, the momma elk looked like she passed a wheelbarrow.
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My dad has a cabin up there-- I've probably driven that stretch twenty times this summer alone, and I've camped and hiked all over there before then.

The worst stretch of 260 is between Payson and the Rim for elk, in my experience, though "your mileage may vary" ... it's not a hundred miles. Maybe thirty? Which would be 180 elk accidents a year. And that, I can fully believe.

The deal with elk is that:

1. Some of them have no fear. There's a bull elk with a tremendous rack near Tonto village that has NO fear of cars and will walk right out in the road in front of you. I usually see him with a younger, smaller bull. At a guess, he's being fed by someone because he's totally fearless of cars and is often there on weeknights, often in the median between Tonto Village and the Control Road. As unafraid as he is, and as big as he is, they're doing him no favors. He'll be on someone's wall by spring, if he doesn't end up in someone's lap at 55mph first.

2. They're very hard to see. Someone here mentioned the eye shine -- when I drive that road, that's what I look for at night. The eyes reflect green. ANYTHING that reflects back at me from the woods that isn't immediately identifiable as a road marker causes me to hit the brakes on that stretch of road. They're damned hard to see because the hide doesn't reflect much. They're even hard to see in daylight because they freeze up completely before they bolt and they're the same color as the trees.

My dad's cabin is on Ellison Creek -- there is a large herd of cows that inhabits the area. Even when I know for a FACT they're likely to be on the road late at night when I'm driving in, I've still nearly hit them because you can't see them until they move.

3. They'll be on both sides of the road and when you approach, they have an instinct to clump together -- which means they suddenly dart across the road in front of you because their buddies are on the other side of the road. BOOM!

I've personally seen two collisions with elk, plus one dead one by the side of the road (car already removed) plus a drunk who swerved on a dirt road, overcorrected, and flipped his truck when an elk (very possibly the bull mentioned above because it was in that area!) strolled out in front of him. He missed the elk, but I don't think he got out of the DUI.

A few tips to avoid hitting an elk:

1. Do not speed. Ever. Period. Drive under the speed limit at night. Ignore the gorilla in the big honking truck up your bumper on that road. Slooooow is your friend.

2. Do not let your guard down on dirt roads or during the day. I had a deer step out in front of me and freeze up Saturday in broad daylight. She just stopped dead and stared at me. We also saw a yearling elk in broad daylight a few feet off the Control Road, all by himself (which is unusual), on Sunday. I crept by at about five mph expecting his buddies to be around, but he was the only one I saw, and he only stood and stared at us.

3. If you see one elk, assume there are more. Slow down. Waaaaay down.

4. Just because you're "in town" don't assume you can't run into an elk. People feed elk, attracting them to rural areas with houses like Tonto Village and Christopher Creek and Kohl's Ranch, off the top of my head. Tonto Village is the worst in my experience but YMMV.

5. Be particularly wary in areas with dense brush along the side of the road -- the Rim Road near Woods Canyon Lake is particularly bad.

6. Nighttime and early morning/evening is the worst. But they'll also come out after a monsoon storm.

7. Remember, slooooow is your friend.

8. A jumbo starbucks frappucino helps keep the level of alertness up on those long drives back to town. :):):)

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joe bartels wrote:
Snick33 wrote:When driving on 260, in that area be on the lookout for elk, they are everywhere, and hitting one is a serious accident. I read that on 260, in Sitgreaves last year, there were six Elk accidents, per mile of road.

I'd like to read that please

you've been hitting the sauce man
Brokaw just did a story on deer accidents
150 people die each year in the accidents
1.5 MILLION accidents in the US each year
1,500,000 / 50 states = 30,000
30,000 / 364 days = 82 per day per state on average
MY pumpkin!
doesn't that seem like a BIG number
dang, I've been out hiking looking for wildlife
I should have been driving!

okay, okay
NEVER, I REPEAT NEVER question Snick!
I'm sorry father for I have... but 82 a day!

seriously, I'm definitely slowing down on the roads and I swear to NEVER question Snick
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what a topic!

Post by montezumawell »

This topic is GREAT! The actual factual info here is amazin'!

The writer above who said "SLOOOW" had it best. What's the hurry?
Just cool off, drive slow, drink strong coffee, take it easy. Be wary.
Pretty easy "rules of the road."

What we don't really "get" is people who insist on driving 70-90 mph any time of the day or night regardless of the road conditions (including elk-deer-pedestrians-etc.) Are they part of a separate gene pool?

Anyway, we concur--GOOOO SLOOOOWWWW!

J&S

PS--Think about it this way: when was the last time you heard about an elk that collided with a parked car? The results of your impact with a half-ton animal are directly proportional to your speed at the time of impact.
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