Chirichua Mts. trashed

[GeorgAZ]

A few weeks ago ,one of my friends from the gym, who is a retired researcher, was on a field trip in the Sierra Vista/Chirichua area doing studies on a Jaguar becoming extinct in those parts . He stumbled upon a "coyote" bring about 250/300 illegals across the desert and through the mountains. They wore paths through the wilderness and there was garbage all over. My friend was apalled and also frightened ,as the "coyote" was armed ,and he and his companions could have been shot and never seen again. Also the illegals walk right through our most secret military installations and nothing is done about it. He asked the Military and they just shrugged it off. Meanwhile the area is becoming trashed.Dave and his companions hauled all the garbage they could and disposed of it. He intends to flood the powers that be with emails etc. What a bummer and unpleasant surprise.

[joebartels]

pass along those contacts & e-mail address

[Abe]

GeorgAz, It does make me mad! From his book, One Life at a Time, Please, Edward Abbey suggests by writing, "We are not morally obliged, for example, to serve as Mexico's 'saftey valve.' Let us seal the border now, militarize it if necessary, and force the government of Mexico (if there is one) to face up to the nut of the problem created by a population that keeps doubling every thirty years. Mexico needs not more loans-money that will end up in the Swiss bank accounts of los ricos-but a revolution.
A complete revolution, not communist, not capitalist, but moral: a revolt against injustice, cruelty,oppression,squalor and-most obvious-a women's rebellion against Our Lady of Perpetual Pregnacy."

Perhaps harsh.

Some interesting reading:

http://www.rose-hulman.edu/~delacova/im ... atrols.htm

http://www.azstarnet.com/border/30813BO ... LAINT.html

And please, pass along those contacts your friend will write to.

[whereveriroam]

Back in June we did a trip in mid week to the Huachuca's, what a sorry place. We had a group of about 12-15 border crossers come thru our camp at nightfall. The following day we hiked up to Miller Peak from Montezuma Pass. Along the ENTIRE trail we found empty water bottles by the 100's, clothes, Mexican food wrappers, trashed campsites, human game trails into the brush and even pesos. We definitely had that "We're being watched" feeling. When we approached the summit we heard a gunshot below us but not too far from us. I don't think it was at us but one never knows. When I'm hiking in Southern AZ I always go visibly armed, who's going to help you if you run across a bad lot or an unprepared group out of water? As to the Chiricahua's I've done a number of trips there and haven't seen any garbage or illegals. But I have heard the SE portion of the wilderness (Cave Creek) is bad news and have stayed away. Lots of garbage, illegals and drug runners. I've heard of car activity in the middle of the night along FR 42 and several large stashes of drugs being found by birders and hikers. Something needs to be done but my belief is nothing will be done since there's a big demand in this country for cheap labor. What concerns me the most is if this many people and drugs can pour into this country then what about terrorists?

[Daryl]

"then what about terrorists?"

I thought the same thing. If you can smuggle drugs and people across so easily, how hard would it be to bring in other stuff...

Wouldn't the border area be a great training ground for the national guard seeing as most of our military action is in the desert anyway?

[GeorgAZ]

I believe it was the SE portion that he referred to. The terrorist thing is scarey. Who knows who they could be bringing through or who else could just walk right through all those installations.I can understand anyone wanting to better their life, but not that way! My friend and his partners were very alarmed at the sight of all those people crossing and the gun displayed. No safety anywhere anymore.

[EC_hiker]

Wouldn't the border area be a great training ground for the national guard seeing as most of our military action is in the desert anyway?

In Arizona? The same state that gave up its armored cavalry detachment because the tracked vehicles were too harsh on the desert environment?

Not bloody likely.

[plummer150]

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Wouldn't the border area be a great training ground for the national guard seeing as most of our military action is in the desert anyway?


In Arizona? The same state that gave up its armored cavalry detachment because the tracked vehicles were too harsh on the desert environment?

Not bloody likely.

Already doing it in the South West part of the state actually, near Yuma. Look into it.