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Sep 10 2021
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Claude Birdseye PointNorthwest, AZ
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Very rarely in the Canyon does a backup plan work this nicely. The original plan, which was admittedly ambitious in nature involved Shiva and Osiris in a one day push from the Shiva-North Rim Saddle. We had permits for three days and began our journey Friday afternoon at 4:00 p.m.

We stepped off Friday with packs loaded down by water and although our pace was generally good to the rim, the weight was felt on our shoulders and backs. I carried in 14 liters of liquids for a frame of reference. The descent went generally smooth despite us doing nearly half of it with head lamps. We camped at the saddle where we prepacked our day packs, ate and wondered aloud about the day ahead of us. We fell a sleep to a crystal clear night with the massive outline of Shiva looming over.

We left camp at 4:00 a.m. on the dot with head lamps on. There would be no warm up to this day, as our work began immediately when we left camp and began the steep, loose climb to Shiva's headwall and distinct crumbling arete. The scramble up Shiva was surreal. The scrambling felt more airy and the route finding was more engaging. The sight of headlamps going down South Kaibab in the distance further enhanced the ambiance of our headlamp ascent. We topped out at the jugs at 5:42 a.m and after a quick signing of the register were on our way.

We dropped off the southwest side of Shiva and used a distinct drainage to descend and gain the coconino bands of Shiva. Osiris came into view for our first time from here, it looked amazing and the lure of the summit was strong. With a little trial and error, we picked our way through the cliff bands until reaching the main wall that would be our guide for the somewhat tedious traverse. As we traversed, Osiris revealed itself more and the approach to its saddle and "possibly" up it came into sight. Unfortunately, the more we saw of Osiris the more clear it became that bailing was the prudent decision. We had a tremendous descent still ahead of us to reach the saddle of Osiris which sits atop the redwall. Then we would have to commit to an unproven guess that we could pick our way through the Supai bands guarding its north side to the summit, or commit to a tedious traverse to the Ra-Osiris Saddle and the known route up. Neither one of us had the stoke for those options and neither one of us believed it would be a good idea to still shoot for the summit with those options and the heat. We were making good time at the point we bailed, but that did not deter from our belief that we made the right decision. Luckily, I was able to convince Sean he was due for a second ascent of the elusive Claude Birdseye Point; a summit he climbed in 2019 after four years in the making.

The approach to CBPT was per usual for the canyon, but along the way we did encounter some of the more unstable and unpredictable coconino plates I have walked on. Use caution, if in the area. We both soloed the easy, but awkward and airy climb to CBPT's summit. The 40 foot climb is listed at 5.3, but one can bring a few cams to protect, or have a competent leader solo it and bring the second up on belay. We spent a considerable time on the summit and then began our tedious journey back to our camp at the saddle. The descent of Shiva was painstaking and long. Needless to say, we were very happy when we finally made it back to our camp at the saddle.

After taking an extended break at camp, we packed up and started the strenuous climb back to the north rim. We did not break any speed records on the way out and finished just before and a little after seven.

Not bad for an off the couch Canyon adventure. CBT is an excellent summit that offered some superb perspectives of that area of the Canyon. Osiris is still on the todo list, but a revised itinerary and approach may be necessary, also 20 degrees cooler temperatures couldn't hurt.
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Shiva TempleNorthwest, AZ
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Part 3 of my Grand Canyon trip - we did Shiva as an overnight - hauled water down to the saddle. Found a nice spot and trudged up the slope to Shiva. By this time the week had caught up to me and I was dragging. Caught a bit of a second wind during the fun Coconino climbs. At the top - hiked over to the east side and soaked up the views. Great to have this view of Isis. Super fun summit.
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Tiyo Point TrailNorthwest, AZ
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Sep 13 2019
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Tiyo Point TrailNorthwest, AZ
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Day 7: Mellow rest day rim hike to overlook and perhaps get a photo of the Little Dragon. Returned via the Tiyo Point Trail. Once back to the Point Sublime Trail, I had to make a run for the truck through a buffalo stampede. Bottom line is that it's very annoying that these 'beefalo' have moved within the park boundary. Side note: I spotted a large balloon high above and north of my lunch location. I'm guessing it was being used to monitor the wildfires in the area, but I wasn't sure. It didn't change elevation or move, so I think it was tethered to a ground location.
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May 26 2018
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Tiyo Point TrailNorthwest, AZ
Northwest, AZ
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My best friend, Rachel, and I went out for a short day hike to Tiyo. Definitely one of my favorite strolls through the woods.

There are some gorgeous viewpoints off the trail we walked out to. It was incredibly windy out there.

I think this trail is Downhill both ways :lol:
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Shiva TempleNorthwest, AZ
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Spending over a half hour staring across the Grand Canyon from Shoshone Point last weekend really had me pining for something in the Canyon all last week. I had my heart set on a summit, but with the warmer temps, my options were limited. I thought about the long, hard to pronounce H word one from South Bass, I thought about a Coronado repeat, or maybe even a sinking ship, however, nothing really piqued my interests. Then after reading a couple triplogs from the North Rim, the idea of Shiva popped into my head. The summit to Shiva had already been blazed by the usual suspects, so I sent out a PM to @Dave1 and @sbkelley to gather some beta. I decided it was the summit for me and made the short drive up Friday night, for what would be my first trip to the North Rim by vehicle.

The morning went pretty smooth, as the few miles I hiked of Tiyo were pleasant and other than the fact that apparently I am incapable of walking a straight line, I was at what I would call the jumping off point (actually jumping off from here not recommended) for Shiva, after only a couple hours of hiking. The first part was a little slow going, as I made the traverse along the ridgeline via a series of brushy cattle trails to the point where you make the steep descent to Shiva's Saddle. I never thought I would be writing about cattle trails and a G.C. summit in the same breath!

From the saddle, I identified and then made the steep, loose climb up Shiva's predominant northwest ridge to the first traverse and class four climb. I could not find the climb at first and probably spent 15 minutes walking back and forth wondering how I could have missed it and where it was. Turns out, I simply did not backtrack far enough and am embarrassed to say I just simply missed the pretty well-cairned route. After finding the climb, I was back in my element and shot right up it, with only a few instance of losing the route and a couple of backtracks. After the climb and a little ridgeline hiking, it was on to the steep traverse and the final steep ascent up through a series of shelves in the kaibab. This is a nasty little traverse by the way and its compounded by deadfall, loose rock, loose soil and a steep slope. However, it does mark the final obstacle and after only a short time, I was finally staring at Shiva's jugs. I signed the register and then made a beeline to the south to check out some of the views, as suggested by @sbkelley. Great views to the south, great views to the north and overall a cool little area up there, as Shiva's summit has the feel of a forested island in the middle of the desert.

From the summit, it was the same route back. There were a few instances where I had to double check the G.P.S to locate some of the down-climbs, but overall it went pretty smooth and I was naturally a little more efficient in my route selection. Once I hit the rim, I really took my time and just enjoyed the pleasant stroll through the pines back to the TH.

Final Notes

Although not the hardest summit in the canyon, this one was no gimmie. The route is rugged and it's the most "bushwhacking" I have done in my short canyon career. Likewise, the route really beat me up, as I came away dirty, scratched, thirsty and a little bruised. Speaking of thirsty, I consumed 5.5 liters of water, 28 ounces of Gatorade and a 12 oz Kickstart energy drink on this hike/climb! If doing this hike in the warmer months, caching water along the way is a must. I cached my water on Shiva's saddle, in order to insure I had something for the final climb up to the north rim. In regards to the North Rim, it was a great first trip for me. I loved the scenery, lack of people and smaller ranger presence. Probably not in terms of trails, but in terms of everything else, the North Rim may be the best the canyon has to offer in my opinion. I found the drive almost equally as impressive and stopped several times to take pictures along the section to Lee's Ferry. Another amazing summit in the canyon and a big thanks to @Dave1 and @sbkelley for helping make it happen.
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Tiyo Point TrailNorthwest, AZ
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tiyo point route/trail is an old doubletrack tht has now been overgrown quite a bit
its 6 miles from The Basin(the big meadow on pt sublime rd) to the actual Point known as Tiyo.

3 miles south along the route you'll find a sign, this is the Shiva access route

lots of wild turkeys and wildflowers {lupine, paintbrush, white lupine!, asters, cliff rose further south), aspen, oak, oh and our very favorite....New Mexican Locust aka Robinia! Sharp, pointing, thorny brushy things!!

Wear Pants. :lol:

jamie and i were dropped off at The Basin, we headed out to Tiyo and i'd forgotten to put my phone onairplane mode while hiking this time so when we reached the point my 4G lit up my phone with a text from the friends who dropped us off at The Basin, they'd planned on camping there since i'd gotten them hooked up with a epermit....but the text revealed they'd left for the south rim...meeehhhrrrr

so jamie and i headed back to The Basin and walked the 6 miles home from there...and once we got up the bridal path from north kaibab trailhed area we were rewarded with a gorgeous nightime view of the Fuller Fire in full swing! wow!!
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Tiyo Point-Shiva Saddle North Rim GC, AZ 
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Things started out soggy with rain off and on Saturday, but decided to continue despite the forecast for more rain. Camped at the end of what I call Shiva Point even though it's not called that only because it's the access point for Shiva Temple. Great camp spot with views of Phantom Creek, Shiva and Isis Temple, Tiyo Point and Dragon Creek.

Sunday morning seemed like the rain forecast was spot on and looked like another rainy day. However by 830 the clouds began to break-up and the sun eventually came out. We decided to continue with the planned day hike objective of Shiva Saddle and possibly Isis. The route down from the rim is well marked with cairns but managed to lose the route on the top half only to get back on track for the steepest part above Shiva Saddle (about 1000 feet in half mile). We took a break on the saddle and then traversed over to where the route drops towards Isis Saddle. There was no sign of a marked route down to the saddle; however, it looks like a fairly doable route that will get you to the top of the Redwall and over to Isis Saddle. After that we called it a day and made our way back across Shiva Saddle and up the steep climb to the rim. This time though we were able to follow the cairns all the way which probably saved about an hour or so of route finding and back tracking.

Staying on route allowed us to make it back to camp for happy hour and enjoy the great views on the rim. One upside of the stormy weather was the great sunsets :) Next morning packed up and headed home...North Rim is awesome :D
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Tiyo and Shiva Point North Rim GC, AZ 
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The North Rim GC route to Isis Temple has been on the radar since Joe and JJ did it several times from the South Rim of GC so we decided that to recon the route it would be nice to setup a water cache beforehand. We followed part of Dave1's route that consists of the Tiyo Point Trail (the old Tiyo Point road) for the first 3 miles and then the Shiva Point Trail for the remainder out to the rim. The Shiva Point Trail is pretty much gone so we just followed the route which goes down a finger ridgeline to the rim.

After being at the rim for awhile some thunderstorms started to move in and we started heading back. Soaked and some close lightning strikes later we made it back to the vehicle for dry clothes and a beverage. We will back soon to check out Isis Saddle and hopefully some recon of the Temple :D
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Shiva TempleNorthwest, AZ
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I've had my eye on this one for a while. Made 2 sort-of attempts prior but didn't make it far. Once from Phantom Creek and another from Widforss Trail. On both I ran out of time and energy to make any serious progress. Ready for a third go at it although July is probably not the best time to do it but I was starting to get itchy.

From HW67 on the North Rim, I turned off onto Point Sublime Road (also the road to get to Widforss Trailhead) and followed that about 4 miles to Tiyo Point Road. As I discovered, Tiyo Road is now Tiyo Trail and is closed to vehicles so I backed up and found a spot to park about 1 mile away. I walked Tiyo Point Trail about 3 miles from the gate to the turn off for Shiva Point Trail. The intersection is marked with 2 metal tags nailed to a tree. Tiyo is an old road so it is easy to follow (except it is quickly being reclaimed by the forest with lots of new trees and downfall) but Shiva Road exists only for a couple hundred yards and then completely disappears. From here a compass or GPS is necessary, IMO, to continue as you're just walking through the trees with no view of the rim until you're almost there, 2 1/2 miles later.

From Shiva Point, the trail down to the saddle is well marked with cairns. This is also an exit for one of George Steck's routes so I think it gets lots of use. There's also many cattle or bison trails leading down.

On the saddle I was surprised to find a large rock holding a pocket of water on such a hot day! This probably explains the cow trails. After crossing the saddle I found the route up to the Temple pretty straight forward using the description from Grand Canyon Summits Select. There are a couple of class 4 climbs through the Coconino and then lots of scrambling to the Kaibab break. Most of the route is cairned. This section beat me up good but most of the climbs are pretty easy.

On the mostly flat and tree covered summit I quickly found the two 5-gallon metal milk jugs on the high point. I opened the one containing the register and was greeted by a nice little hornets nest under construction! No way I was leaving without signing in so I reached in and yanked out the register as fast as I could and then sprinted about 100 yards away. The log dates back to 2001 with about 2-3 trips per year, mine being the first for '13. After gently replacing the register I heard the sounds of an approaching thunder storm. Dam! No time to explore the top, had to get down and beat the lightning. I made it down to saddle just as the rain started. Put on my $1.50 emergency poncho and found a low spot to wait out the storm and hide from the lightning. The storm passed after about 20 minutes and the sky was blue again but now it was hot and humid. I returned back to Shiva Point mostly the same way and back across the Kaibab forest to my truck without any more issues. Didn't see any people all day.

On the way home I stopped at the BCO and picked up 2 permits. North Bass in September and South Canyon in October :y: .
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