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Castle Creek Trail #239Prescott, AZ
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Asked a couple diehards to help tackle the worst 4 miles of catclaw in Arizona I know about. Quick responses, as figured, no dice. Threw the offer up on my profile and the Wish List a couple times. To my surprise a triangular headed arthropod with bulging eyes was game.

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Drive to within 2.5 miles of Castle Creek Trail and walk the road up due to a narrow ledge @mt98dew and I stopped before in 2013. Didn't make it that far which extended the road walk to 4.75 miles.

Then 1.35 miles on Castle Creek Trail #239 to my beloved Twin Peaks Trail #240. Hoped to tackle 1.8 miles. Did not expect to get to the worst 2.1 miles of catclaw's malicious revenge on mankind.

We cleared 0.7 miles of light catclaw/brush on #239. Plus 0.7 miles of semi wicked catclaw. All said and done we made it 0.2 miles onto lower Twin Peaks Trail. Route Scout called out the stats for mile seven... 4h 17m. After some healing I'll be back, probably alone... lol

Mantis was rock solid, not one whimper.
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Castle Creek Trail #239Prescott, AZ
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Have always wanted to meet the coder that created this site. Saw Joe's wish list post and said I'm in. There has to be an easier way to meet Joe than lopping your way thru catclaw? :? My longest hike before this was 12 Miles to Reavis Falls and back. Needless to say I'm feeling it some today :lol: . Was worth every mile getting to know an amazing hiker and fellow coder :app:
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Twin Peaks #240 - Castle Creek #239 Loop, AZ 
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Twin Peaks Trail #240
Upper 2 miles are fantastic. Thru mile 4 is decent trail with outstanding views. The bottom 4 miles is the current worst catclaw massacre search and find trail(cough) in Arizona I'm aware exists.

Castle Creek Trail #239
In 2010 & 2013 this trail was cleared just enough to make it enjoyable. Now it is a route finding hunt with lots of unpleasant catclaw and some shrub. Not a nightmare like #240, still too much pain for most. The upper most 0.25 mile is pure heaven with a great trail winding through tall skinny pines.

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Friends don't let friends hike these two trails. Yet alone suggest and pressure those working Friday night shifts with phrases like come on man, bros before pillows...gasp

Twin Peaks was my second worst catclaw story for 8 years. Sandals through pre groomed [ Half Moon Trail #288 ] was the first. I was blind. Unprepared is not a parallel comparison. #240 wins the honors. I never want to experience it again... until the next time
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Twin Peaks #240 - Castle Creek #239 Loop, AZ 
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Last did this loop in June of 2010. While the area and views are killer, so was the catclaw. Blood letting in earlier days was thought to cure ills. I wasn't sick, I vowed this to be a one and done.

Turns out, I am sick, mentally (I know , no secret there). Joe suggested this late in the week and there had been rumors that some work had been done to the trail. My answer, lets give it a try....

The sleepy Turtle Joined us with and we started up top, clockwise, at the Twin Peaks #240 intersection with Castle Creek #239. 1.6 miles and 450' of gain and we were at our high point for the day. Trail's still good.

We start the drop to the lower intersection with Castle Creek #239. Through the 4.5 mile mark, there was evidence of trail work sometime in the last 8 years. It was cleared 8' wide in spots. The views are sweet. [ youtube video ]

At the 4.5 mile marker, it looks like they gave up. This was the start of the catclaw in earnest. [ photo ] and the catclaw basically went on for the rest of the hike. At a break, I strapped on the gaiters. This saved my ankles and shins for the rest of the day, but my arms and especially thighs fertilized the catclaw with life giving blood.

Joe and I both remembered the Castle Creek #240 trail "Not that bad". Should have said "Not as Bad". There was more catclaw than I remembered and the trail was only distinguished by cairn hunting. If you haven't seen one in awhile, you are off trail. The truck was a welcome sight

I will need photographic evidence of trail clearing, before trying this one again.

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The trough was full, not sure if it was from rain water/snow melt or what. It didn't look appetizing, but could be filtered I'm sure.
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Twin Peaks #240 - Castle Creek #239 Loop, AZ 
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Bruce and Joe let me join them on this hike. It's been years since I've been in the area. Many fond memories with the family camping. Cool area with awesome views. Throw in great weather and great company and how could you go wrong. The start has a stand of Manzanita trees that rival the ones on telephone trail in the Pinals before the fire. The trail is great in this area. After that not so much. It was more like a cairned route. Kudos to Joe and Bruce for keeping us on "trail" :app: . As my skepticism would set in we would come across a trail sign :o . The rolling hill, boulders, and grassland were pleasant to the eye. A shame the trail is in need of almost a full retread. The only drawback on the hike was the catclaw. I've seen thicker taller catclaw on Halfmoon trail in the Mazatzals but not for this many miles. After awhile you started getting hit in the same sore spot over and over. I apologize to Bruce and Joe as this had a severe affect on my disposition. I'm not usually one to throw out vocabulary words of that nature but gosh darn that catclaw. Well we survived and Bruce got us home safely with an awesome sunset on the way. :y:
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The Bradshaws seem to intrigue or sour hiking taste buds like ear wax on a cracker...

Bruce - "Save Twin Peaks for me... I have a score to settle out there"... sicko!

jj3 - mentioned boycotting I-17 using Payson for all northbound hikes moving forward

jlp - this is great, I love it! Later gave up hiking and changed his mode to assisted momentum...

Brian went in with a positive attitude. Now likely questions life, dirt roads and... oh come on, I think he'll appreciate it more in a couple days after a few Mountain Dews tickle his taste buds.

0.0 mi - FR684 is a riot
If the road to Cash Tank or Tortilla is your idea of 4x4 then this road is probably 8x8 for you. After 1.8 mi we parked and hiked the remaining 2.5 mi. A ledge was washed out and too narrow for anything other than skinny rides. Aside from the forest up top the road was the most relaxing part of the hike...lol

2.5 mi - Carsonite stake marks #239
A nice trail that last about fifteen feet. After that put on the cairn goggles, get your high step in gear and march forward. 2 years ago Bruce and I found this trail ( #239 ) to be in very good shape and Twin Peaks ( #240 ) among the worst ever. Now the catclaw is beginning to swallow #239. We didn't get too ripped up, just a sincere annoyance. The added swaying grass on the other hand took it's toll. Albeit pretty it made route finding a mental pain and high stepping a physical pain. My upper thighs felt like a long bike ride after a layoff.

3.9 mi - Castle Creek #239 / Twin Peaks #240 Junction
After a few yards on to Twin Peaks I decided to abort based on three thoughts.
- the deterioration of Castle Creek ( an assumed good trail ) in just two years
- concern for Brian as the loop would put him into a considerably accelerated type of hike
- the bottom easy part where Bruce and I followed cairns was no longer easy

The hike switched to an out-n-back on Castle Creek Trail #239. With the exception of the short pine forest stroll up top the entire trail is borderline disaster. Taking away the high grass would make it better but you would still be dealing with route finding and catclaw. Most of which is below waist level unlike Twin Peaks.

We took a couple breaks on the way up. Personally, I find the views outstanding. This won't go down as a favorite for Brian. While he swore it off for 5 years I think he netted a few valuable tips along the way.
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I had wanted to do this hike ever since discovering it a couple years ago, while doing a part of the Black Canyon Trail. I had come across a sign along Bumblebee Road indicating Castle Creek Trail (#239)TH 6 miles down a westward bound side road. I had put this trail (239) in my back pocket because this side road looked so rough!

Enter Joe Bartel and what I took to be a fortuitous event when he posted Castle Creek as a possible trail that he was considering. This was not his first choice, but he was kind enough to go through with it when I expressed interest in hiking it. Met up with him at 6am and headed out to the TH. When I said that the side road looked rough I had no idea! In my mind the adventure started as soon as we headed down that road. The road would have made mincemeat out of most vehicles and drivers, but Joe was able to drive 3.5 miles up the road. Luckily, he decided to park at one of the last places he could turn around at. If he had tried to drive in any further he would have had to drive backwards to get out! (At around the 4 mile mark part of the road had collapsed down into wash making it impassable to everything except bikes and ATV's.

So we hiked in about 2.5 miles to get to the TH for the Castle Creek Trail. One thing that was interesting on our hike down this road was that we saw the occasional Black Canyon Trail sign. The current alignment of the Black Canyon Trail stays relatively close to the Crown King Rd. These signs were old and it makes me wonder if at one time the Original Black Canyon Trail led back to the Castle Creek Trail. I have to say that if I had not been hiking with someone else, I am not sure how far I would have gotten on my own. The Castle Creek Trail lasted maybe 200 hundred yards before becoming overgrown by the wilderness. The trail simply faded into the steep hillside amongst calf high grass. With Joe at point we blazed a trail up the hillside, frequently checking the GPS to ensure that we were still "on trail". I never really saw a trail for the 1.5 miles which got us to the Twin Peaks-Castle Creek Trail juncture. This juncture was at one of the few extended flat spots on this hike and the trail sign showed Twin Peaks heading off in a north northwest direction and the Castle Creek Trail going more westardly. If it wasn't for the arrows on the signs, I would have had no idea which way the trails were. Luckily, we had out garmins with downloaded routes. We briefly discussed doing the Twin Peaks trail, but opted for the Castle Creek. As we headed up the Castle trail Joe had an uncanny ability to spot cairns buried amongst the dense foliage. During the entire hike there was only a couple of times where we had to backtrack to get back on the trail. At times the trail cleared up enough so that I could actually see where I was walking. This became more true the closer we got to the top.

The nearby scenery was nice, though very much the same. It was hard to really appreciate because I was so busy looking to see where I was going. When I paused to take a break (which more frequent the higher I got) I was rewarded with some nice views of the mesa to the east. It is really stunning how the Agua Fria Canyon(?) cuts into it. Disappointed that we didn't really get into the pine trees until the very top. It was a nice reward when we did, but the experience was very brief. We had no sooner entered the forest when we came to the end of the trail and turned around.

The hike was grueling in part because of the blue jeans that I wore and the fact that I was high stepping in them for most of the 16 miles. Having said that, my legs came out unscathed by the terrain so it was well worth. Also, I wasn't as exposed to to the creepy crawlies. Though, this was in part, to Joe blazing a trail through foliage and webs! Kudos to Joe. I never saw his arms windmill once. I'm sure that if I had been leading the way, I would have created a breeze with all my hand waving. I also need to thank Joe for flushing out all the snakes. Since we couldn't see where we were stepping, we really were trusting in fate as to where our steps fell. Never got a good look at any of them (saw 3), but 2 of them were decent size but don't think they were rattlers. Also a deer in the distance and the highlight, for me, was seeing my first gila monster :)

What really made the hike worthwhile was the company of Mr. Bartel. It made the hike much less grueling to hear Joe speak about HAZ and his hiking experiences was great. I want to thank Joe again for making it all happen. :)
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I've pondered many times why no one has posted on these "near" Valley trails in the nearly 14 years HAZ has been online... The area of this triplog is what every rest stop visitor to Sunset Point ponders in awe, the eastern flank of the Bradshaw Mountain Range.

The original plan was to loop up Castle Creek Trail & down Twin Peaks and check out a seventy foot waterfall off trail on the way back. Heading out to the lower trailhead we were pretty surprised to find out Castle Creek was flowing in June. Being so close to Phoenix and with such little rain in months this seemed wacky, maybe it's perennial? Anyhow there was no way we could get up enough speed to negotiate the terrain. Off to plan B... take the 27 mile road up and then 7 miles over to the upper trailhead.

The long drive had us starting later yet the temps up top were a mere 63 degrees :)

Castle Creek Trail heading down went pretty easy. For the most part it's pretty obvious with only a couple route finding issues. It appears to have been catclaw clipped a year or two ago. It's growing back but not horrible yet. The main issue we encountered was getting tangled in the dead clippings that were right on trail. Before that all started I opted to throw on pants. Whereas Senior Boyscout Bruce chose the shiny grail, the hot girl and a bag of fine grain sugar. Sorry, back on track... the views heading down were better than anticipated. You have a sweet view of Black Mesa and Perry Mesa. More of what you expect to see in Utah or northern Arizona, not central Arizona near the valley.

The cool weather was tapering off as we neared the lower elevation junction for the Twin Peaks Trail. After the turn the cat's claw started encroaching more and cairns became the game. Then the cairns let up and the trail just turned to ravines filled with cat's claw. I've seen some pretty bad stuff on the Half Moon Trail. So while conveying that story was dealt a whole new nightmare. This stuff went on for... friggen miles. It was unreal. One section was over our heads. In total disbelieve there were cairns below under the cat's claw. So we hacked through that too.

The going was grueling slow. The temps were undoubtedly hovering 90 yet breezes kept us in the game. Our energy levels dropped from the constant fighting for five foot sections of trail most would never deem possible. It was daunting in the middle of these huge cat's claw fields with no end in sight. Finally it let up around 5,400 feet to good old fashion bushwhacking.

With the joy of survival on our side things looked on the up and up. Not for long. Soon we realized we had 2,400ft in gain and the little water left in our packs was depleting fast. With a good four to five breaks we finally put this one to rest. The long hours spent in the June sun and the relentless bush fighting really owned me today.

Bruce stopped by the lake were we washed off our feet. Next he bought me one of the best burger and fries I've had in my life at the Bar in Crown King. (appetite may slightly alter my "best in life" rating but it was darn good!) A pretty swell guy I must admit. I made up the stuff about the grail and what not. However I couldn't make up the following, cause nobody would ever believe me. Bruce brought pants but was too stubborn to put them on until after the cat's claw. With a wounded hand from a fall and the rest of his non clothed body resembling a mistreated package of sausage I have to say... you're crazy man! Yet something must be wrong with me cause all I have to say at this point is, thanks for a great hike!
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The plan was to first, avoid the 34 mile drive from I-17, on the dirt road past Crown King and second, start the Hike at a lower elevation before the heat of the day. A 5 mile drive on FR 684 just prior to to the booming metropolis of Bumblebee seemed to be the ticket and would cut the off I-17 mileage to 9 miles. I'm not shy when it come to off road driving, but only having a 2WD Pathfinder, the final straw a half mile in, was a boulder crossing, then a stream, then an uphill through sand. Anybody taking this route to reach the eastern TH of the Castle Creek trail .... 4x4 IS A MUST.

So back out and around we went, and 1:25 minutes later we were at our upper TH. The temps were great at 8:30 one top at around 65 degrees, but we knew this meant hiking up 3100 ft in the heat of the day once we reached the bottom. The Castle Creek trail was actually in not bad shape and I can recommend it. The toughest part was actually finding the Trail from the Trailhead. The views down towards the Sunset Rest area were real sweet and now I can say when I pass by there "I was up there".

We did not make it to the lower TH that we planned on starting from, instead opting to just take the Twin Peaks Trail. In hindsight, this was a good choice, as it would have added 4 mile to our trip, and another 1000' in AEG. We really wanted to check for the waterfall that is just west of the Castle Creek Cabin on the TOPO maps. In talking to a horseman last week, he mentioned he'd seen the waterfall 10 years ago, but thought the Forest Service has since burned down the cabin.

Now.... as far as the Twin Peaks trail goes, until/if they ever get back in there to clear cut the catsclaw, the only part of this trail I'd attempt, is from the upper trail heads to the area by the Twin Peaks. It's too bad because there are some great views up there, but you'll be so weak from busting through brush and blood loss that you just don't pumpkin care.

Side note, and save this for future pranks.... Joe really, really, really, really does not like spiders and spider webs. I heard a scream so high pitched, that I thought I was hiking with a 12 year old girl. He spent more time picking out spider web, than I spent pulling out catsclaw needles!

A memorable trip to say the least.

PS the Catch Phraze of the day was, "I think I have a trail...Crap, we gotta go through that?"
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