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Chillicut Trail #132 - 5 members in 7 triplogs have rated this an average 3 ( 1 to 5 best )
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Dec 08 2023
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Chillicut Trail #132Payson, AZ
Payson, AZ
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I joined the Tonto Basin Chapter of the Arizona Native Plant Society on a field trip today down the Chillicut Trail and adjacent washes. There were about 20-25 folks in attendance, including one very well-behaved doggo. This wasn't a legitimate hike per se but rather more of a meandering along the trail for a short distance, discussing different keystone species and their relationship to the desert and each other.

We started out right at the trailhead, where I was somewhat surprised to see some Thurber's Desert Honeysuckle in bloom. I first saw this delicate desert plant on the west side of Four Peaks on an ill-fated Thanksgiving campout last year, so I guess the timing isn't too far off. The wash of Rock Creek has a multitude of Arizona Sycamores growing up from their root crowns following the (Bush?) fire that burned through the area some years ago. Within the wash, one could also find Desert Broom, various grasses, Prickly Pear, and lots of Desert Willow. Another surprise for me was when the field trip leader pointed out an Elderberry. I usually associate Elderberries with higher, cooler, moister areas of Arizona, so to see one in the desert holding hands with a suite of plants from the Sonoran Thornscrub and Interior Chaparral was not something I was expecting.

Continuing up the trail, we passed by sizeable thickets of Sonoran Scrub Oak, teeming with various galls of different species. One of these galls actually hatched for me and several others as we were examining it, revealing the tiny black wasp inside (See the photoset; I'm not quite advanced enough to link to a specific photo yet). Other chaparral species growing within the wash included catclaw Acacia, catclaw Mimosa, Hollyleaf Redberry, Sugar Bush, and Mountain Mahogany. Isolated occurrences of Palo Verde were on the slopes, and there are two individual Saguaros growing on an exposed, south-facing slope above the trail at one point, one of which has a huge nest of some kind in its arms.

As the trail followed the drainage around a curve, the wandering wash naturally drew the eyes to the hulking mass of Browns Peak, towering over Tonto Basin. The weather was fantastic, and one could easily see the Ponderosas growing near the top of the impressive edifice. I really need to get back up to the pass someday...

The group followed the trail down to the bottom of the drainage and then stepped off the trail into the drainage as the main path ascended the ridgelines leading toward the Mazatzals. In the wash we made some closer examinations of catclaw Acacia, Sacred Datura, and Fremont's Cottonwood before turning around and retracing our steps to the trailhead. Before we intersected the trail in the wash, the raspy cry of a Woodhouse's Scrub-Jay caught my attention, and I spotted the boisterous corvid just before it flew over the ridge and out of sight. On the drive back home, I also spotted a gorgeous male Phainopepla and two circling Red-tail hawks. I plan to return to do this hike in earnest again sometime in the spring when the desert flowers are blooming. Nice day!
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Sycamores were nearly done, with their rapidly dropping leaves an orangy brown. The Cottonwoods were another story, bright green-yellow and absolutely radiant in the midday sun.
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Desert Honeysuckle and I spotted some late-season snakeweed.
 
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Last time on the Chillicut Trail we didn't continue far enough to take a shot at Peak 4046 so now two weeks later we were back to get the job done.

As last trip we started at the Rock Creek Trailhead and followed the Chillicut Trail up to the 3787 saddle then took a left and headed up to the summit of Peak 4046. Awesome views at the summit! The views complemented those on our hike yesterday along Peaks Trail #130.

Instead of heading back to the saddle and continuing on the Chillicut Trail Tracey had the idea to continue along the ridge and finding another way down to make it a loop. I like loops better than out-and-backs so I needed no convincing.

Finding a set of reasonably recent horseshoe prints we decided to follow them in hopes of following a nice descent route before the end of the ridge, which I knew was way to steep and rocky.

At the second-to-last hump on the ridge the equestrian tracks turned toward a northern drainage but within a few hundred feet the tracks simply disappeared. Knowing the next drainage was not an option we found a game trail with fresh deer tracks so we decided to follow them down instead.

Although steep, the deer trail led us back-and-forth across soft enough terrain it was reasonably easy to keep our footing, or at least allowed us to make slow controlled slides.

Eventually we dropped into the center of the drainage and continued down to the wash that would lead us back to the Rock Creek by the Rock Creek Cabin. From there we followed the road back to the Rock creek Trailhead.

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We put a lot planning effort into this, settling on the hike early Friday evening.

Rock Creek Trailhead is a long ride but an easy trail head to get to.

0.50 Miles to get to Three Bar Cabin / Rock Creek
Easy Road walk, the cabin is more like a house. Electric Well, Gas Grill outside, furnished with newer furniture.

1.00 Mile in Rock Creek to get to Baldy Canyon
No trail here, not too bad of a walk next to and across Rock Creek which actually flowed downhill. A bit thick in spots.

3.25 Miles in Baldy Canyon to get to Chillicut #132
One really nice box was the highlight of the canyon for the time we were in it.
Flowing water in many spots. So going hpping on the Boulders. Prettier in the lower sections and appeared to get more canyon-like once we got out and on to the Chillicut Trail.

3.25 Miles on Chillicut #132 to get to Four Peaks #130
This trail is a gem. It's in decent condition for the most part. Only one spot did we lose it for a bit. It stays close to Baldy Canyon for the most part and is a bit steep towards the top.
There is a real nice campground just inside the Four Peaks Wilderness border.

5.00 Miles on Four Peaks #130 to get to Oak Flat #123
I had forgotten how nice this trail is. The views never end and with what appears to be recent work, a superhighway compared to most of the trails I've been on recently. I need to make a point to get on this one more often. Just wow.

1.75 Miles on Oak Flat to Get to FR445
Oak Flat is a steep bugger. I'm glad Joe suggested we attack this loop clockwise to go down this section instead of going up. With the looseness of the gravely concoction, it would have been two steps up and one step back in spots.

3.00 Mile road walk on FR 455
As far as road walks go, this was actually quite pleasant. We had a spirited conversation most of the way back to the truck. Verdict... Water does flow downhill.
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Water flowing in quite a few sections between Rock Creek and Chillicut Trail

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Baldy Canyon / Chillicut / Oak Flat Loop, AZ 
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Tiffany from the Grand Canyon Chapter of Sierra Club requested permission for a photo on the Chillicut Trail a couple months ago. Which in turn peaked my interest back to a 2008 loop I did with Chris, Wally & Tony. While my memory doesn't remember all the details, one thing stood out... excellent hike. For several weeks since it's been in the "maybe rotation pool".

A couple things gleaned from the 2008 trip. Oak Flat Trail #123 is in no regards a flat trail. and it was not designed by a trail expert like Shawn Redfield. It's a V cut canal of loose gravel. Heading down is fun, heading up is a chore. The other notable gleaning point was the bottom of the Chillicut. I recall it being smooth hard packed with light gravel in one area. Once you start going down there is no stopping or you will slip.

So I proposed we go up Chillicut and down Oak Flat. Then started thinking this wasn't much of a loop for the drive. Looking at topo Baldy Canyon caught my eye. Hallelujah we could eliminate the hard packed ball bearing slope on Chillicut. Plus pick up Three Bar Cabin, a Rock Creek sampler and lower Baldy Canyon while making the drive worthy.

Three Bar Cabin reminded me of a 1960's middle income house... nothing like a cabin. Rock Creek was more choked than anticipated. Nothing difficult just slow going weaving around stuff. The highlight was dense packed saguaros on the left slopes heading down steam.

Baldy Canyon started off cool twisting around corners to a small granite box. Karl pointed out some pink granite too. If you are into short rugged day hikes this would be a nice destination.

Continuing up Baldy Canyon is typical easy canyoneering ( non-technical... clarification for competitive literature types ). Karl was fueled up on BobP Wheaties plowing through obstacles and nowhere to be seen at times. While I don't get excited about repetitive miles of this stuff it is a great workout. When Brown's Peak makes an appearance the vegetation obstacles mellow out. Bowling ball sized stones and cottonwoods( I think ) take over. It is a refreshing change and knowing Chillicut is near lifts the spirits.

Chillicut is everything I remember, a spectacular variation of views.

The stretch along Four Peaks Trail #130 over to Oak Flat #123 is better than most national parks. Thanks to the AZT crews it is a pleasant stroll too. It used to be a hint of a trail in areas. A sketchy area around one outcrop has been built up and stabilized. The two rock slide slopes are a breeze too.

I love this loop with or without variations.

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a few sprigs of verbenaceae here and there in the lower end of Oak Flat

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From Rock Creek we followed upstream about 2 miles. It ranged from dry to a very light flow. The water looked refreshing. I'd filter due to the low flow and a few cow patties further up canyon.

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As we all know, Rock Creek flows downstream east to Roosevelt Lake. It was dry immediately west of Three Bar Cabin. Just east it was pools to a trickle until one spot with some cattails it was bone dry. Probably flows underground as it surfaced again soon.

Near the cabin it had that oily look with the funky smell...
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Baldy Canyon / Chillicut / Oak Flat Loop, AZ 
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Joe and Bruce put together a really nice loop hike traversing Four Peaks Trail #130, then hitting Oak Flat Trail #123 and some off trail up Baldy Canyon. Baldy Canyon off trail wasn't too bad and had a few narrow spots that made this section well worth the effort. Eventually we hopped on the Chillicut trail where the climb really started. The views just got better as we climbed higher all the way to Four Peaks Trail.

The Four Peaks Trail traverse felt like a super highway with all the recent work done on the trail. This section is really awesome and gives the best views you will get anywhere of Four Peaks. After some discussion on the best lunch spot we pretty much nailed the landing and found the best spot along the trail :D

After lunch and a brew we continued on the traverse taking in the ever changing views of Four Peaks and the valley expanse of Roosevelt Lake below. Eventually we made the Four Peaks Trail #130 and Oak Flat Trail #123 junction where the trail drops down quickly. Once on Oak Flat you soon realize how nice the Four Peaks Trail really is. Oak Flat is steep but fortunately not too rocky and we made good time to the bottom.

Great hike...stellar loop....can't say enough about the Four Peaks Trail :)
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Stiller put together a great memorial day hike composed of trails I've never hiked. In this historical year of the famous 2008 Heat n Freeze the week started with 110 degrees and dropped into the sixties days later. It wouldn't be wise to attempt this loop in normal May temps.

We headed up the Oak Flat Trail #123 at 7:30am? The trail is unobstructed and in great condition all the way. It was all up and gradually got steeper as you went. Turns out it's only a 22.7% grade compared to Piestewa's 21% or Camelbacks 23%. I think the fact you're on the side of a huge mountain and lack of switchbacks makes it seem more taunting.

Headed over on the #130 past the Alder junction. Concerns of missing trail were put to rest. There is a half mile section of friendly bushes to wade through. You can see the trail on the bottom foot but that's it. There is one slight confusing point. For the most part just needs a visit with some power clippers.

At the Chillicut / Four Peaks Trail junction Stiller & Tony headed off on a 1.26mi jaunt to get trail data so we can post a complete #130 route. Wally and I waited in the shade for forty minutes. Then headed down the Chillicut Trail #132. This trail isn't as clean as the Oak Flat Trail but cairned, mostly clean and obvious all the way. This sucker heads straight down. It came in at a 22% grade in the upper drop.

Chillicut is a sweet trail in the upper section resembling Ash Creek on Mt Graham for a while. The creek was running due to the recent rainfall. It's lined with hand sized canyon grape leaves, sycamores, various wildflowers and lots of poison ivy. The bottom half is a roller coaster through the oven back to the trailhead.

A great day hiking from saguaros to snowballs!
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We really were blessed with the weather we got for this hike, as well as the hike itself. The recent rains kept the temps warm, but bearable. Seeing snow on Four Peaks so up close was an amazing sight during the opening weekend of a summer in AZ.

For the majority of the hike, we were in two groups: the speed hikers (Wally and Joe) and the slow guys (me and tonyp). Going up Oak Flat was the exception as Joe ran out of steam about a mile in and I was second behind Wally at the junction with the 4Peaks-AZT.

the Oak Flat Trail was very steep, but only 1.6 miles and very clear. If you do this hike, definitely do it counterclockwise and get the elevation gain out of the way early. Then you can spend your energy on the bushwhack thru the thickets on sections of the 4Peaks trail. There are only sections that are bad (the one in particular just before the junction with Chillicut). for the most part, its not too bad. the views of Four Peaks along this section of the trail I would have to say make this section of the trail arguably the best. We spotted the junction with the Alder Saddle trail, but no tral marker was seen for the Alder springs trail. At Black Bear saddle (we think) we got some nice pics of the peaks, but never saw (or really thought to look for) the Alder Spring Trail junction. The trail stays mainly level at about 5500'. This has been realigned and no longer goes to the top of Buckhorn Mt. At Black Bear saddle it angles to the north of the ridge there and remains mostly level, albeit somewhat bushwhacky in spots.

The Chillicut Trail was very useful as a way to get back to the car without having to redo the hike the way we came. Some maps show this trail fading away once it gets to Baldy Canyon. This is NOT the case. The trail in fact seemed to be easier to follow at the higher elevations than once we got to the bottom. We were prepared to bushwhack 2 miles downhill to the pick the trail up where it fades away, but thankfully once we got to the spot where our GPS's showed it should be, a very clear trail junction was there, complete with marker. There weren't many views in Baldy Canyon but the springs were running and the sounds of the running water was nice. (We could also hear the streams running from the snowmelt while we were on the 4Peaks trail).

Before we descended down the Chillicut, I had to complete my intel reconnaissance to map out the missing section of the 4Peaks-AZT from that junction to my ending point of my hike 4 weeks earlier. I took both mine and Joe's GPS's so we would both have the tracks. Joe and Wally decided to take a break and wait while I did this. Tony came about half way and got tired of the bushwhack and waited. I thought my GPS crapped out on me but once I downloaded my track, everything was fine. My total mileage according to my GPS was 13.2. on the computer the track downloaded as 12.53, so I go with the longer mileage. my spur hike to finish the mapping was 1.2 miles RT, so that would make the hike an even 12 miles if you do it normally (close enough to Joe's 11.7). We started at 3680' and on my computer the high point was about 5900'. I would guess then we only really did 2200' of real elevation gain, but I'll take Joe's word for the 3557' since his GPS is better than mine.
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