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Needle Double Vista - 6 members in 12 triplogs have rated this an average 3.2 ( 1 to 5 best )
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Mar 02 2024
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54 male
 Joined Apr 13 2011
 Gilbert, AZ
Needle Vista to Hackberry SpringPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
Hiking avatar Mar 02 2024
ddgrunningTriplogs 604
Hiking10.17 Miles 1,488 AEG
Hiking10.17 Miles   4 Hrs   47 Mns   2.37 mph
1,488 ft AEG      29 Mns Break
 
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First time starting out from the Needle Vista TH. The 0.3 mile sidewalk to nowhere at the start is a bit interesting. The namesake vista is barely visible above the hills.

I generally had a figure 8 loop downloaded, but ended up just doing a lot of exploring. Lots of rolling ups and downs and some nice saguaro views. Highlights were the Hackberry spring area and the narrow to the south. There is still a fair amount of water flowing.

On the backside, I took a side trip to a mine in the area, and also headed off trail to explore the top of the cliffside above Hackberry Spring. Not too much whacking in the bushwhacking.

All in all, a pleasant explore in the Supes.
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Jan 08 2024
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63 male
 Joined Apr 02 2005
 Mesa, AZ
Needle Double VistaPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
Hiking avatar Jan 08 2024
Tortoise_HikerTriplogs 3,652
Hiking3.00 Miles 753 AEG
Hiking3.00 Miles   1 Hour   45 Mns   1.71 mph
753 ft AEG
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Another Needle Vista wander. I was gonna go to Little Four Peaks but didn’t like the route I took. Was by myself and had a turn around time too so headed back. Didn’t like that route either. LoL
Did see the camel man, an Arch , and a skull. I also saw a couple vans parked on the dirt road just passed Needle Vista. On the way back I saw a helicopter land there. Then again when I got back. Turns out the Helicopter was flying those people from the vans around. With a late start, it was T-shirt weather although there was a lot of pokie stuff! 😁
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Apr 01 2023
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69 female
 Joined Feb 26 2004
 Phoenix, AZ
Needle Vista to Hackberry SpringPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
Hiking avatar Apr 01 2023
tibberTriplogs 1,570
Hiking4.65 Miles 612 AEG
Hiking4.65 Miles   3 Hrs   30 Mns   1.45 mph
612 ft AEG      18 Mns Break
 
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I've wanted to try this hike for a while now and so on our drive last week; we put it on our agenda.  I downloaded the route that I thot was the right route... which it is, after the initial hiccup.  We ended up hiking straight off the sidewalk south on a wide trail but not before seeing a group of horse riders crossing over to the other side of the sidewalk.  I saw two other hikers head in the same direction we went.  I heard and then spotted an old air force plane and got some photos despite the bad light.  We got to the topside of a hill and Ambika checked RS where we found we were not on the route so we turned back just near the sidewalk where we headed east.  However, we should have gone a little further back on the sidewalk to catch the trail.

So we cross-countried up and over a hill (as apparently others have done) to finally arrive at a wash to be back on the route again. This would be our first of 3 detours that you can definitely see on our route :lol: .  We didn't let any of our detours go to waste as it was real pretty out there so we took our share of pictures.  After fighting my way past some catclaw we saw the trail we should have been on.  We hiked up the wash (south) for this part of the hike for a while.  The views were plentiful as were the various kinds of wildflowers; especially Desert Chicory.  Of course, Lupine and Desert Hyacinth were also plentiful and some Fairy Duster too.  The other star today was Mother Nature as she was painting the sky beautifully.  We were constantly in awe of her artwork.

Anytime you got above the wash you had great views toward the Little Four Peaks so we were constantly getting pictures of that from several different angles.  As we got more on to the single track and out of the wash, our views to the western Superstitions (Flatiron) opened up nicely.  Weavers Needle was right in front of us too.  As we got closer to the Hackberry Springs Trail system we would start encountering more hikers.  At the initial junction, we made a wrong turn as we wanted to go east down into the First Water Trail so we had to backtrack a bit.  We will do that one more time today.  We climbed a small hill where we got to another junction near the Wilderness boundary.  The hill down was a bit steep and slippery.  Probably would be best to do this part of the loop counterclockwise.

After getting to the bottom of the Creek we meandered on the north side as we headed south.  Obviously, lots of water, running water :) .  We enjoyed every moment as we made our way to the next intersection.  We stopped a few times to take it all in as the water made its way toward us with the golden grasses blowing lightly all around.  We rounded the corner and after walking a little further we decided to take a break in the shade of a rock on the other side of the water, so we hopped over there.  While sitting there we noticed that the clouds seemed to be moving rather fast so we shot some hyperlapse video. I should have shot a little longer though.

We stayed on this side of the creek heading west and as we turned south Ambika checked RS and realized we needed to go north at the drainage we were walking by so once again, we had to backtrack a little.  But per usual, we got a nice view we wouldn't have noticed before.  So up the drainage we went.  There was pretty much no water but there were some big step ups.  The trail is a little tricky to follow here as it's easy to keep going in the wrong direction.  The uphill wasn't too bad; especially when you have wildflowers all around as well as some majestic saguaros.

Once back on the nice trail tread we made some decent time... well for us that is.  We were still busy taking pictures and noticing other things along the way.  The sun was mostly out continuously now but the breeze kept it comfortable.  We did go through an area where we got buzzed... by bees.  We just kept moving.  On the way back we saw a nice little group of Owl Clover and it also seemed there were many more Fairy Dusters.  There was also a big section of those belly Woolly Daisies very low to the ground.

We followed the correct route all the way back; the last part being much easier than our earlier bushwhacking we did.  The hike took longer than we anticipated, but we had no idea that we were going to get such a flower show and the distraction of the water and golden grass topped off with a painted sky :D .  We really enjoyed the hike and hope to do it again next spring.  Do not follow our initial route in the last part of our first half mile.  The official HAZ route is correct now. I'm surprised those that have gone before us and did the same bushwhack at the beginning didn't let Joe know so he could correct it, but Tibber did.

Video 1 and 2 are from the TH to Hackberry Springs Trail as it reaches the Wilderness Boundary:
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Video 3, 4 and 5 are from Hackberry Springs Trail, including the loop in First Water, and then up Hackberry Springs Trail back to Needle Vista TH:
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[ youtube video ] the sky was really exceptional in parts of this video
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WATCH 9:34AM-1:12PM 4.55 miles, 2091-2328 elevation. Avg bpm 118/max 160 burning 1199 calories. Starting temp 55.9, Fair skies and 38% humidity
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Nov 05 2022
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63 male
 Joined Apr 02 2005
 Mesa, AZ
Needle Double VistaPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
Hiking avatar Nov 05 2022
Tortoise_HikerTriplogs 3,652
Hiking5.10 Miles 690 AEG
Hiking5.10 Miles   2 Hrs   25 Mns   2.11 mph
690 ft AEG
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wallyfrack
Wally and I wandered and wondered in the Supes.
Great to catch up. Thanks for breakfast too Wally!!
Like HAZ, you rock!!
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Nov 05 2022
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64 male
 Joined Mar 11 2003
 AZ
Needle Double VistaPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
Hiking avatar Nov 05 2022
wallyfrackTriplogs 1,691
Hiking5.10 Miles 690 AEG
Hiking5.10 Miles   2 Hrs   25 Mns   2.11 mph
690 ft AEG
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Took a stroll with Denny. Denny & I hiked Rim to Rim to Rim, an overnight trip down the Highline Trail, Cactus to Clouds, Four Peaks Motherlode, Mound Mountain, White Mountain, Iron Mountain, Castle Dome, Malapais Mountain, Superstition Ridgeline, Humphreys Peak, Mount Whitney, Mount Baldy and many more.
Maybe he needed a rest today. :lol: Thanks for coming out Denny.
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Jan 16 2022
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 Joined Sep 19 2020
 Phoenix
Khayman Welch Missing Person Search, AZ 
Khayman Welch Missing Person Search, AZ
 
Hiking avatar Jan 16 2022
ScottHikaTriplogs 50
Hiking4.10 Miles 547 AEG
Hiking4.10 Miles
547 ft AEG15 LBS Pack
 
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Today we did a coordinated search for missing person Khayman Welsh. He went for a walk at Needle Vista 8-12-20 and disappeared in the Superstition Mountains. Our team included SSAR, family members and volunteers. We attempted a search line, but really didn’t have the manpower. Ultimately we were spread out too much to 100% guaranteed that we hadn't missed something important. Sadly, as time goes by, there is decreasing interest in finding this young man. I was told it’s been harder to get volunteers. Certain core people are constantly searching however. We didn’t find what we were looking for, which at this point is human remains. What we’ve learned from the Dutchman is that not everything can be found in the Superstition Mountains. The drone was down because of the wind.

It was a mild weathered day from 50-70 degrees, the kind that usually makes being outdoors a celebration. We fanned out and worked the area south and east of the vista heading towards Hackberry Spring and then worked back around the wash basin. This area has been covered before but not thoroughly. I used Route Scout to document my GPS track to share with the coordinators. My contribution was minor but was not a waste of time. I found a grand quantity of trash. There was ancient miner’s trash practically dissolved all the way up to modern coffee cup lids. I found tarps and makeshift campsites, clothes, and a pair of pants deep in an unusual place. The missing person’s girlfriend said that they were not Khay’s. I also found a number of active mine claim boundary stakes, where I didn’t know mining was occurring.

Afterwards we regrouped and cleared (most of) a dangerous abandoned mine. It was rough, and probably 300 feet deep with numerous drifts, adits, collapsed supports, debris like rails, cave ins, and bad air. One area we could not clear due to the risk, but a determined person could have got up in there where we weren’t able to check.

I’m glad I did it and will help them more. It was touching to be there and to look into the grandparents eyes and be thanked for helping. I don’t want to speculate or spread rumor, so will not go into details of his disappearance. Obviously they can always use more volunteers and if you know or have found something, please report it to the MCSO. Things you might want to report aside from human bones are for example, the smell of decomposition, or predator scat with material in it, etc.
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Jan 09 2022
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64 male
 Joined Mar 11 2003
 AZ
Needle Double VistaPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
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wallyfrackTriplogs 1,691
Hiking4.90 Miles 846 AEG
Hiking4.90 Miles   2 Hrs   30 Mns   1.96 mph
846 ft AEG
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Saturdays hike was a little low on miles so I still had some energy to burn. I wanted an easy drive so Needle Vista was it. I decided to hike the ridges off trail to see what I could find. The off trail conditions are excellent. There was some wind but the sun was warm so it was nice. I hit Peak 2338, Peak 2519 and an unnamed peak that has and arch on the side. I hiked up to the arch and took some photos. There is a groomed trail from the arch to the old road with monster cairns along the way. Somebody had extra time. A good hike and no body else off trail.
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Jan 06 2017
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81 male
 Joined Dec 16 2011
 Mesa,Az
Needle Double VistaPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
Hiking avatar Jan 06 2017
hikingaz2Triplogs 218
Hiking3.87 Miles 660 AEG
Hiking3.87 Miles   2 Hrs   34 Mns   2.09 mph
660 ft AEG      43 Mns Break4 LBS Pack
 
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Got back out to Needle Vista TH again, this time we took a different route still exploring, over laying my routes with those of HAZ it's starting to make sense. Lot of washes and horse trails to get us around pretty easy, ended up with a double lasso :y:
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Jan 04 2017
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81 male
 Joined Dec 16 2011
 Mesa,Az
Needle Double VistaPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
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hikingaz2Triplogs 218
Hiking2.77 Miles 303 AEG
Hiking2.77 Miles   1 Hour   34 Mns   2.37 mph
303 ft AEG      24 Mns Break4 LBS Pack
 
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Parked at Needle Vista TH and wandered around to get an idea what was over the hill, interesting place, with nice Picture opportunities. We haven't been in this area before so will be back to explore some more :)
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Apr 01 2016
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77 male
 Joined Jan 07 2010
 Chandler, AZ
Needle Double VistaPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
Hiking avatar Apr 01 2016
Mike_FelsTriplogs 510
Hiking3.90 Miles 577 AEG
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After the Little Chance Canyon loop Merlin and I did this hike to get a bit more distance. The main complaint on the Little Chance was all the grasses that filled the socks with prickly seeds. Well the last half of this was even worse, even the shoes filled up with uncomfortable items. It must be just the season when bushwhacking is not very enjoyable.

I really liked the first half of this hike. Good views. Then there is a big hill, which makes the views even better. But bushwhacking down the back side was a pain, literally. Lost a bit of blood to the cat's claw. Had close encounters with some loose sections of cholla laying all around. I'd do the first half again, but would head back the way I came to return.

Fantastic views from the top of Peak 2519.
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Jan 15 2014
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74 male
 Joined Feb 12 2002
 Gold Canyon, AZ
Needle Double VistaPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
Hiking avatar Jan 15 2014
AZLOT69Triplogs 2,215
Hiking4.50 Miles 700 AEG
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Nice hike, good variety, great views. A very nice one to try out your new GPS and try to follow the listed route without being too remote. Chances are you won't see anyone else on this one.
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Jan 10 2012
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46 male
 Joined Oct 19 2010
 Mesa, AZ
Needle Double VistaPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
Hiking avatar Jan 10 2012
Charger55Triplogs 573
Hiking3.00 Miles 700 AEG
Hiking3.00 Miles   2 Hrs      1.50 mph
700 ft AEG
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Easy hike that combines washes, horse trails, jeep roads and bushwhacking with a simple peak bag on the Goldfield/Superstition border. Good views of the Hackberry Spring area from Peak 2519.
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