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Indian Spring Peak 4900 - Tonto NF - 4 members in 10 triplogs have rated this an average 3.3 ( 1 to 5 best )
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Indian Spring Trail #76 - Diamond Fire, AZ 
Indian Spring Trail #76 - Diamond Fire, AZ
 
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CannondaleKidTriplogs 2,411
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When passing by Sunflower on the return from our late-October stay in Kanab we noted the area blackened by the Diamond Fire some three months earlier. Which got us both thinking, hmmm, we hiked the Indian Spring Peak trail only 3 weeks before the fire, so why not return to see the extent of the damage to the area, and of course the trail itself.

The first item lowering our expectations of trail conditions was a new sign prohibiting vehicles from driving up the hill to the trailhead. Having hiked that steep uphill on one prior occasion, neither of us was enthused at the half-mile climb up just to reach the trailhead. Whatever, let's just get on with it.

The area along the climb had not burned so it didn't look bad, but almost like a line was drawn at the original trailhead, it quickly changed to an apocalyptic wasteland. It was hard not to focus on the blackened vegetation.

Although we usually bring shears to knock back the inevitable overgrowth, on this occasion I figured the fire would have opened up the trail a bit so I left the in the car. Big mistake!

If it weren't for the steep climb uphill at the outset I would have gone back to get them, as we found almost immediately that while the fire had denuded the vegetation, it didn't knock the 'charred skeletons' back from the trail. Once we had gained the first black stripes across our pant legs we knew plenty more were to follow so quit attempting to limit the 'damage'.

A few times I tried to knock down or break off an offending branch but it seems the fire had hardened the charred remains such that it was hard as rock, so I doubt my shears would have been of much help.

As we traversed the contours, ascended and descended through each drainage, we encountered plenty of erosion. It didn't take much thought to realize that any significant precipitation will very likely wash away many parts of the trail completely. Already many parts had no ground soil at all so it was even more treacherous than usual when walking on the loose rock. In the areas which still had a modest amount of soil, it was obvious much of it had washed down from higher up on the slopes.

If I hadn't traveled this trail so many times before (9?), there were many areas where one had to know where the trail used-to-be to know where to go now. We noted somewhat fresh boot prints (probably over the weekend?) which at times diverted well off the original trail, but they turned back within a mile or so.

While it wasn't a total surprise, O'Neil Spring had plenty of water... in fact it was overflowing the small concrete tank. Tracey wondered aloud, where is it coming from? I guess it's just a deep spring.

Farther along the trail the wish to have brought my shears came to light. In the sections where the fire had not burned, much of the vegetation was dead or completely de-hydrated from heat in the proximity to the fire, so rather than bending back to allow us to pass they put up a fight... so the holly leaves in particular felt like needles. We realized it was a good thing we had trimmed a lot back on our hike before the fire or it would have been even worse.

Upon reaching the open area by the peak, rather than climbing it we headed off to the North, for an aimless wandering. Aimless that is until two deer we scared up took off over the ridge. So of course we had to head up to the ridge to see if we could catch another glimpse, and possible a photo or two. No luck, but nice a view to the West. Tracey wondered which body of water was in the distance, not realizing it was Bartlett Reservoir of course. Whatever, with a few rocks clear of black ash and a tiny bit of shade it was a nice spot for our lunch.

Due to our wandering I lost track of where we were and only after adding extra distance and elevation did it occur to me the wonder, hey, this doesn't look right! And it turns out we were heading into the wrong drainage. Oh well, at least I figured it out before too long.

To keep the return trip from becoming drudgery I spent more time bringing up memories of previous hikes to compare with the conditions today, and of course documenting it with more photos. In fact I took far more photos than anyone would want to delve through so it took a bit on winnowing it down to 30.

With the likelihood a great deal of the trail will be eroded away in the near future, Tracey figures this may be our last time hiking this trail. But then again, it might be worthwhile to return and see how the area recovers... or deteriorates further.
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Indian Spring Peak 4900 - Tonto NFPhoenix, AZ
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Hiking11.90 Miles 2,545 AEG
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First time hiking in this area and I really enjoyed it. I wanted to check out a horse trail I spotted off the Sunflower Trail so we parked at Bushnell Tanks. Saw 3 deer near the junction of Sunflower and the horse trail so it worked out nicely. Will definitely be back for a bigger hike when temps are a bit cooler. The forest road to the actual parking area was recently graded and looked to be in great shape.

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Indian Spring Peak 4900 - Tonto NFPhoenix, AZ
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Hiking7.00 Miles 1,933 AEG
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Another avoid-human-encounters hike

When we last hiked this trail just under a year ago we encountered no humans so it was a good choice to keep up our unbroken string of hikes with no human contact.

Unlike our usual parking spot by the tree near the trailhead we parked at the 'lower' trailhead. We didn't think the short but very rough drive would save any time, which was true but it proved to be an energy-burning start to the hike.

The hike itself was uneventful and not much to write about save for the amount of haphazard clippings of brush left on the trail. It was much like the hack job we encountered along FR 191 to the Mazzie Swingset last week. On the trip out we did some light removal but like last week we decided if we'd do anything, we'd do it on the return leg.

The small concrete tank at O'Neil Spring was full and the creek along the trail had a reasonable amount of flow but it posed no problem for the half-dozen crossings each way. Along the creek we picked a slick rock area next to a trickling falls to be our lunch spot on the return trip and kept going. When we reached the open area the cowpaths spread out like a river delta so we just wandered aimlessly until stopping for a few minutes in a grassy area under a large tree. Tracey managed to find the one rock to sit on amongst the numerous cow-patties.

With neither of us too interested in climbing up by the peak itself we just started the return trip, only this time I did some very judicious trimming with my titanium shears while Tracey cleared the old and new trimmings off the trail. Our lunch break was awesome... nice warm slick rock with a slight curve which made for a perfect spot for a nap. The warm part was important as there was a brisk cool breeze along the creek and more clouds than sun. The trickle of the water mere feet away was quite relaxing.

On the return leg we heard intermittent shooting, which I figured was at the gravel pit just past where we had parked along FR 1705. With previous plans to add a small loop around the gravel pit at the end of our hike, we were prepared to skip that part. But when we reached the hill above the pit the shooters were farther out FR 1705, shooting in the direction if they aimed high at all the rounds would pass over AZ 87... not too bright. We didn't need to approach any closer to figure it was likely a .50 caliber rifle.. the sound pretty much gave it away and based on the $6-7 per round cost that likely played a part on how few rounds they fired.

Once we hit the road back to the car each shot came with two separate sounds... now I'm not a physicist so it's just a guess, but I figured the first was the sound of the round being fired and the second was the report of when the bullet passed the speed of sound away from us, in effect the sonic-boom. If anyone has any other explanation please feel free to share it.

Typical crazy drivers on the drive home... four seemed to have a lot trouble staying in their lane, one of which went from the left shoulder to the right within a 1/4 mile. Again, it appeared they were texting rather than drunk, just more evidence neither phone nor texting should be allowed while moving more than 5 mph except if on a 911 call. The technology exists to make it happen... and it should.
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Indian Spring Peak 4900 - Tonto NFPhoenix, AZ
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CannondaleKidTriplogs 2,411
Hiking5.50 Miles 1,555 AEG
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Other than my super-hot solo hike in July 2017 we hadn't been on this trail in six years, so along with Tracey's lack of recollection of the trail it was about time for a return trip.
(Actually, our 2013 hike was to Peak 4933 via the Indian Spring Peak trail... we did not visit ISP)

Due to the dark clouds and nearby rain squalls we made sure to bring our rain-gear. But we would be treated with sun to warm us here-and-there along with periods of cloud-cover to cool us just enough so it would be pleasing hike weather-wise.

Tracey had demanded an ON-an-actual trail hike, so due to the tall grass which made it look like there was NO trail for the first hundred feet or so I could tell she was building a bit of steam while biting her tongue.
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Thankfully a real trail popped up out of the tall grass and any threat of harm to me was averted.
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While the trail was easy to follow it wasn't quite so easy on the feet, with almost a never-ending series of loose rocks to stumble over... thanks to extreme caution neither of us actually stumbled throughout the hike. Tracey came close one time where the trail dies off near the peak due to deep holes made by cows almost unseen in the grass.

It appears someone on horse-back had been on the trail not long ago, clearing dead-fall along the way. I figured it was the rancher from Sunflower clearing the way of obstructions for his cattle. The rancher only removed or cut the major obstacles so I ended up doing some trimming in the areas of cat's-claw and holly overgrowth.

The hike seemed shorter than I recalled so we wandered out to a rocky knoll on the off-chance of finding potsherd since it isn't far from the ruins along the highway. But being a narrow ridge with no flat area it was unlikely we would find any... and we didn't.
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Diamond Mountain Summit Loop, AZ 
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CannondaleKidTriplogs 2,411
 Hiking6.70 Miles 2,385 AEG
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Clockwise so it was steep uphill from the start.
Scared up two deer within 100 yards of TH, probably because I was upwind.
Scared up three large does while on the first ridge. No photos either time.
A brutal hike... 95° @8 am, 114° @2 pm.
Emptied 100 oz bladder and 32 oz bottle of mix within 3 hours, had to stretch a 20 oz bottle of water for over 2 hours, ran out with 30 minutes to go. Leg cramps back at car.
Drank a gallon of fluids and ate a meal before getting back home (~8 lbs) and weighing myself I was 4.5 lbs less than when I left. So how much did I lose?
8 + 4.5 = 12.5 lbs!!!
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Indian Spring Peak 4900 - Tonto NFPhoenix, AZ
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In an effort to get some off-trail experience under my belt before the HAZ Margie's Peak hike I decided to tackle Indian Spring Peak and Diamond Mountain. Both have been on my radar for over a year, it was just a matter of finding the right day. Turns out, today wasn't the right day.

Already I was off to a bad start when I overslept by over an hour. Too much eggnog, I guess... I fell even further behind the eight ball when I was witness to an incident along the Beeline Highway that required MCSO intervention. Nobody was seriously hurt, but that put me another two hours behind schedule. By the time I reached the trailhead I was contemplating just doing one of the peaks, not both.

I decided to play things by ear. There is an actual trail leading most of the way to Indian Spring Peak. It dead ends in a tall grass meadow at the base of the peak. From there it's off-trail to the peak. The actual summit is a Tom's Thumb like feature. Joe's triplog says it's doable. With a spotter I may have tried it. Solo is a different story. I was content with resting below the true summit, knowing that I'd be on top of Diamond Mountain in a couple of hours.

To reach Diamond Moutain I chose to traverse the ridgeline between the peaks. Down to one saddle, up to a flat mesa and down to another saddle. All off-trail. There was one more up-down in front of me before the final push to Diamond Mountain summit. I started to climb, but the vegetation was getting noticeably thicker. I was sarting to step less on the ground and more on bushes. This must be what they mean when they say the Mazatzals are some of the most rugged backcountry in the state. Pretty soon it was pure bushwhacking. I stopped to assess the situation. Water? Plenty. Snacks? A few. Energy? Fading, but I'm determined. Time? Maybe...maybe not.

It was after 3pm. At the rate I was moving I was looking at a 4:30 summit at the earliest. That left me with an hour to work my way down the mountain back to my car. After ten more minutes of hiking I realized I was still less than a quarter-mile above the saddle. There was no way I'd be back to my car by sunset.

The bushwhack back to the main trail took me 45 minutes. Then it was an easy hike back to the car, arriving shortly after 430pm. I failed to truly summit either Indian Spring Peak or Diamond Moutain. Deafeat was tough to concede, but it was the safest option. The mountains will always be there, and I'll be back to conquer them someday.

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Indian Spring Peak - Diamond Mountain Loop, AZ 
Indian Spring Peak - Diamond Mountain Loop, AZ
 
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Hiking14.15 Miles 4,485 AEG
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Intense saguaros west of Black Mesa on the Beeline near Sycamore Creek have intrigued me driving north for decades. This route didn't hit the hotspot yet now I understand the scree and saguaro show layout! Portions of our loop offered outstanding views. The incredible weather probably would have made anything seem great today, it was nice to be in an area I anticipated exploring.

We headed up the road in the crisp of morning. It was great to see Bruce after his week off for deer hunting. The off trail started out easy. We made it to ISP after dropping our packs at the saddle below. The peak has a short scramble to the top. Up the south end on the left of two crevices. Near the top slide right and up. Great holds, enough exposure to make you think, over quick if you keep moving, slight trust sliding back down to the ledge.

Over to 5120 for lunch. The short leaf aloe type plants along the way were the only annoying part of the hike. In areas they cluster in large circles. Met Frank on 5120 and chatted for awhile. Basically he's retired. Basically to 5120. Lunch on the edge with sweeping views from Ord to the Superstitions. Just yabba dabba doo fantastic.

Frank showed us a route down. We tried it. Off trail seemed easier and less brushy so we aborted back to the planned route. Heading SE off a tier below was steep, slick grass and oh heck it was awesome due to the weather.

1,500 feet lower we picked up FR1700 for a bit then off trailed back to square one.

Took 3 quarts, consumed 2. Pants are a must!
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Indian Spring Peak - Diamond Mountain Loop, AZ 
Indian Spring Peak - Diamond Mountain Loop, AZ
 
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The_EagleTriplogs 2,760
Hiking14.80 Miles 4,593 AEG
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Great to be back home for a day after 8 days of snow every day and temps 11 - 28 and picking up a killer cold.

Joe threw out opt A, that I nixed, and then came up with this one that intrigued me. A new area to explore... yea!

We started gaining elevation for 2.5 miles on FR1333 until Joe's track took us cross country to Indian Spring Peak. Some sweet views on the way and at the Peak. Joe's showed off his mad climbing skills while I stayed below to try and catch the video that would have for sure gone viral. No luck, he made it up and down without incident.

Next, cross country following the Diamond Mountain ridge line. There were lots of sharp prodding plants that left me looking like a pin cushion, around the peak before peak 5013. If you try our route, go over the top instead of around the peak. Approaching Diamond Mountain Peak 5120, we noticed a person standing on top. We went over to meet Frank, who was camping up top and spends quite a bit of time up there. We had a nice conversation with him before having lunch and making our way down the side of the mountain.

Because of the slow going we scuttled our plans to climb over Black Mesa and 3570. We got back to the truck just before dark.

Video - :next: http://youtu.be/foLGRZOmTTg

On the way home on we passed up HAZ'ers Tricold & Slowandshadey.

We have a ridge & more left out there to 'splore some time soon.
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Indian Spring Pk - Diamond Mtn Loop, AZ 
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In my search for more hikes in the area between SR87 and Bartlett Lake there wasn't much to offer so I joined Indian Spring Peak and Diamond Mountain and made a loop hike out of it.

Although I used Route Manager and flipped back and forth between map, topo and satellite I got off to a little bit less than a good start. At the end of FR1697 there was a large tree so I parked next to it while I prepared to set off on my hike. Looking at the GPS route it appeared the trail would be about 100 feet north (down the slope) from where I parked. So I followed what turned out to be a cow-path until the point where the trail should be but just found more cow-paths. Not knowing if the trail was still in existence I just set out in the direction of the wash I knew I'd have to follow.

Although I had to vary the route due to the numerous ravines and ridges I tried to keep going in the same general direction. At about the half-mile mile point I was tiring of all the ups-and-downs so I figured I'd seek a higher elevation and try to follow a terrain line even if it meant winding in and out at each ravine. I hadn't gone but fifty feet or so when I hit what turned out to be a real trail. From there on the hike was far less demanding... especially knowing I had already racked up as much AEG as the whole hike should have been! (I'd find out how I missed the trail on my return trip)

Now being on a reasonably well-used trail there was no need for the GPS and I just followed the trail until making a bee-line for the saddle just below the false summit of Indian Spring Peak. I took a few photos before heading to the peak but the closer I got the more I realized how sheer it was and I wasn't going to actually 'summit' it. I'm sure I could have gone another 30 feet higher if I took my time and carefully picked out the route but with the temp getting higher it was better idea to just climb into the first crevice and lay back in the shade for a short break.

Break over, now I'm heading down to start the next up-and-down part of my hike. I would drop down between each and every peak and climb up to the next one on the way to the Diamond Mountain summit. After all the climbing early in my hike this seemed pretty easy, the only dangers were the small agave-looking plants (looked like sharpened french fries sticking up) that were everywhere! And they were sharp! I'd be lathering myself with aloe lotion to sooth the pain once I got home.

After numerous ups-and-downs I'm at the Diamond Mountain summit. Wanting to figure out how I missed the first part of the trail I planned on dropping down toward the north until I hit the trail to follow it all the way back to the TH. But what seemed like a good route from below turned out to be very loose terrain so I ended up looping around the first terrace below the summit until dropping down a ravine toward the east. Afterward I realized I should have followed the route I had drawn down from Diamond Mountain because it hit the trail right about where I first found it on the way out. That route would have been almost directly east down from the summit.

Now that I'm back on the trail I followed it all the way back to the trail head. Although it wound more than my more direct route, it had none of the ups-and-downs as I did and ultimately it was shorter as well. Oh yeah... as I approached the trail head the trail came to within 40' of where I parked... only it was uphill from where I parked instead of downhill. Oh well, it upped my AEG which has been lagging lately.

Some of my photos for the day are in the photo set for this hike and two are tied to my 4x4 triplogs:
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mazatzalTriplogs 1,347
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Off trail up Diamond Mtn and then cross country towards Indian Spring Peak. Manzanita and other brush gets a bit thick in places. I was one climb short of making it to ISP. I saw a huge herd of deer 20+ on the saddle below ISP.
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