Tuweep driving permits coming....

[hikeaz]

Grand Canyon National Park is beginning civic engagement to seek comments on implementing a three-year pilot advance day-use reservation system to manage day-use visitation to the Tuweep Visitor Use Area including all park areas within Toroweap Valley and the Kanab Plateau. A $2 ticket fee per vehicle is proposed for visitors to get to Tuweep.

https://parkplanning.nps.gov/document.c ... tID=119427

https://parkplanning.nps.gov/showFile.c ... fid=571843

[DixieFlyer]

@hikeaz
If you drive all the way up there, the $2 charge seems trivial, although recreation.gov might have an administrative fee on top of that. I have only been there once, and I really can't say if 20 vehicles per day is the right number or not.

[nonot]

Based on the cost of gas to get there, $2 is what you find leftover in the car cushions...not sure how effective this fee will be at changing anything.

I think I read they are trying to reduce visitation due to overloaded parking lots...about the only annoyance is that you need to stop and get a permit, which would be a change.

[hikeaz]

Based on the cost of gas to get there, $2 is what you find leftover in the car cushions...not sure how effective this fee will be at changing anything.

I think I read they are trying to reduce visitation due to overloaded parking lots...about the only annoyance is that you need to stop and get a permit, which would be a change.

If The Wave/Havasu, et al are any indicator, permits drive UP visitation, especially by the 'instragram-set"..

[chumley]

If The Wave/Havasu, et al are any indicator, permits drive UP visitation, especially by the 'instragram-set"..

Causation vs. correlation? I'm pretty sure both had permit requirements long before the instagram-set existed.

[hikeaz]

Before permits, The Wave had near no one. I can attest. May not JUST be instagram, but the internet was a double-edged sword as well.
Hell... they now have a 35 mph speed limit near the silly Forrest Gump spot in Monument Valley trying to protect the insta-schlemiels, and kali folks (and others) STILL get run over holding selfie sticks... standing in the middle of a state highway.

[tibber]

An acquaintance just got back from THE Wave and she said: "been blessed and lucky to have been there 3 times now but thinking it's my last time....60 people now is stupid and ridiculous. The selfie groups that took a zillion selfie pics...clothing changes etc. We had to ask to get by and take our couple pics and move on."

[azbackpackr]

@tibber
I have never had any desire to go there, even when I was living in Page in 2016. There are other areas with similar features where there are no crowds. For me, solitude is more important than specific scenery.

[RedRoxx44]

My previous Wave visits were prior to permits and from several cross country access points. I never saw anyone there. Supposedly a German film came out years ago with some footage from there which kicked off a spurt of European visitors to that site on their holiday visits. More exposure= more people. I too will likely never go back there.

[joebartels]

More exposure = managing agency starts managing. Rarely, if ever, hiking/exposing the 70% less used will never work. Hiking with anyone that primarily empowers best-of $ocial train-wrecks or primarily lurks equal-homepage-exposure member-driven is your inner voice exposing the real you. Journey is an American rock band formed in San Francisco in 1973. The hike is the experience. @hikeaz introduced me to the Wave. Like friends hiking Piestewa or anywhere, the workout is a solid like. Two dollars seems reasonable. When I see proof that requiring a permit to some rarely used gem like [ Alder Creek Trail #82 ] drives UP visitation, the sky will be filled with pigs.