Walking FR80 below gate

[Vaporman]

I'm thinking of doing the lower Fish Creek and I've read how people just walk out on FR80, but having just hiked that Black Cross Butte in the area I know there's a sign that promises some pretty nasty stuff if you go past that sign. So do people just totally ignore that sign and use the road anyways? Or does that only refer to vehicular use? Or maybe it only applies if you're going downhill and not if you're hiking uphill on it...

[joebartels]

Take your bike, it's a wild ride going down and a cadence nightmare going up. The locals said hi to me when I was there though that was 5 years ago. There's a cool alcove on the way down igallery/album.php?id=24

[nonot]

If you are going uphill you can claim to have never seen the sign?

[Vaporman]

LoL, so that sign that claims something like 6 months in jail and $10,000 in fines if you pass and get reported to the FBI & State Police and you guys just run right by it without even giving it a second glance???

[joebartels]

Just park a quarter mile away, it takes all but five minutes extra each way. Are you really concerned about getting caught ;) Worst case scenario you have to go up Fish Creek and hoof it up on the opposite side of Coronado Mesa. It's beyond steep but doable. You can also wrap around Black Cross Butte. On the the river side and up a ravine to the top and escape. It's unpleasantly bushy and more or less a climb at the end but doable.

[Vaporman]

I find it more comical than anything...

[azbackpackr]

Sorry to butt in here but did you guys know that Lower Fish Creek in the White Mtns. (Apache Sitgreaves) near Hannagan is off FR 83? Kind of a coincidence, with your lower Fish Creek being near FR 80 and so forth, and also one wonders why the FS can't have map names in one state not be so similar.

There is another Fish Creek in the White Mtns. near Greer, same National Forest! That one runs into the L. Col.

And of course we have two major Mt. Ords, three or four Sycamore Canyons, several Signal Peaks, several Rattlesnake Canyons, etc. etc. Seems as though our pioneer forebears weren't too creative in their naming!

Methinks I need a copy of Arizona Place Names to sort it all out!