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Oak Creek Loop - Greenback Valley - 3 members in 7 triplogs have rated this an average 4.7 ( 1 to 5 best )
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Jan 27 2022
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Oak Creek Loop - Greenback ValleyGlobe, AZ
Globe, AZ
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Hiking6.20 Miles 1,796 AEG
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Arrived late morning and didn't want to be rushed for the main attractions, so decided to check out Oak Creek from FR236 - I had forgotten there were HAZ triplogs for it due to the proper TH/4WD road being off FR71 so just went by sight/topo which worked well. Two comments from my route 1) I'd just start on the jeep trail we exited on (the southern exit vs northern entrance) 2) The northern parts of the arm off of bear mountain we went up as well as upper oak creek were pretty overgrown, dropping down the 2012 death gully might make for a nicer loop.

Eyeballed the pass from our parking spot / basecamp and got there easily enough - I'd take the jeep road until it crosses the wash and then just XC up from there instead of doing so from the start to avoid some catclaw we had circle around/through but oh well. Easy open grass for the most part, and the grassy ramp on the south side was an obvious invite. Traversing high seemed like it'd be annoying, and looking at how it mellowed out up north we figured we'd drop down low, so high we went. Easy enough up, poles and something with lugs were welcome and some great views up top. Oh yeah, we saw the slickrock area further south, and figured we could cut up to the little pass just east of it, so our trip grew longer yet again lol.

It quickly got a bit bushy up top, so nixed plans on hitting the little prominence off the arm and just went for following various cow trails to drop into Oak Creek. Worked well for the most part, some scraping by trees at times but nothing horrible. Came across some cut logs on a cow route which was a bit odd.

Dropping into the oak creek drainage... yeah that's a bit bushbashy for my tastes. There was a solid cowpath skiiers/downstream left / east that I wish we had gone up to earlier. Nicely forested, occasionally annoying but not too terrible once it consolidates a bit. Feels pretty untouched, but we saw a game camera on a tree, some twisted wire that looked like it was part of a fence, and then some barbed wire further downstream... so people used to go there at least heh. Staying to the left for the most part going down seemed to be the way to do it until it opened up.

A bit above 5100 it opens up quite a bit - the drainage coming in from the west near some nice pillars is the majority of the flow of the creek. The water had a cloudy appearance, even when dipping underground and then popping back out again, so something to do with the sand there. This part was pretty interesting - some really colorful boulders, nice cliff views, and a pretty steady flow of water that was nonetheless easy to avoid.

After a while the boulders go away and it enters into an open forest which was pleasant to move through, then transitions into slickrock. While not as spectacular as some of the nearby canyons there were some quite nice spillovers - the "main" fall I could see from the ridge earlier and was unsure about ended up being quite accomodating once we were actually to it. I named it the benevolent gap. :)

Once the slickrock petered out we did some easy XC up to the pass over cowpaths through grass, then dropped through more of the same and took the jeep road back.

All in all a nice blend of open easy wandering, nice views, colorful boulders on a creek, and a charming little slickrock gorge. And yeah, some bushbashing on the northern end of it. GPS only really useful on that northern part of the ridge to ensure we were on track for a good drop point, all the rest you can navigate by features / are following a creek!

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A few purple flowers higher up on the ridge.

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Flowing well, would occasionally go underground. Less cattle where it was bouldery, but clearer water below on the slickrock section.

Very little flow above ~5150ft
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51 male
 Joined Mar 31 2008
 Gilbert, AZ
Oak Creek Loop - Greenback ValleyGlobe, AZ
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Oak Creek Loop - Peak 5,525

Easter weekend camping and ruin hunting with my good friend Hank (Day 1)



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79 male
 Joined Dec 28 2006
 Scottsdale, AZ
Oak Creek Loop - Greenback ValleyGlobe, AZ
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Hiking3.70 Miles 1,386 AEG
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From Alternate TH Start for "Oak Creek Loop"- Off Trail Hike to summit Peak 5525ft
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Apr 05 2012
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Malicious Gap Campsite, AZ 
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Four days of camping and ruin hunting with my good friend Hank. Our planed hike days were Friday and Saturday. Finding ruins is just a bonus for me. Adventure and scenery is enough to keep me coming back to this area. The mountains and canyons surrounding Greenback Valley are highly diverse and very scenic. I really love it hear and the campsite at Malicious Gap is special. We had a great time. It just doesn't get any better for me... Perfect temps, minimal bugs, remote privacy, great campfires, and lots of beautiful live oak. I was definitely in my happy place.

So... The question of the day. Did we find any ancient hidden ruins?
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3 nights/4 days of "Car Camping/Off Trail Hiking" in the Sierra Ancha Mountain Range within the Greenback Valley Area at the Malicious Gap TH/Car Campsite-->
http://hikearizona.com/map.php?GPS=9967
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Dec 10 2011
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Oak Creek Loop - Greenback ValleyGlobe, AZ
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Hiking5.00 Miles 1,790 AEG
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Greenback Valley Ruin Hunting Part 2

Bear Head Mountain and Oak Creek are exploration hikes that originated from a conversation with old-man Conway about six year ago. While swapping outdoor stories on his ranch one day, he paned his hand in a sweeping motion from east to west, covering everything from Copper Mountain to Mistake Peak. His "oh, by the way" casual story told of old Indian ruins in the hills north of his ranch. This perked my interest because that entire area notes zero registered sites on USGS topo maps. His directions were vague at best and the area described covered four rugged miles of extensive hilltops, canyons, buttes, and cliff faces. Good luck... I basically shelved the tip in the back of my mind for future reference. As you can see, these hikes have been put off for a long time.

I mentioned my backburner goose chase hikes to Hank last winter. He was ready and willing to start immediately. I just wasn't in the mood last winter, however his persistence finally paid off for this year. Both exploration hikes were put on the calendar for December. Without any solid direction, my only options were to hit areas with high ruin potential and hope for the best. The normal suspects are rugged buttes, big cliff faces, and hilltops with vast views for defense and nearby perennial springs in close proximity for water. Both location have paid off, however I'm really not positive if I've found the site he spoke off. The Bear Head site was sooo small and the sites found on this hike were nearly buried in dirt and vegetation. You could walk right by if you weren't paying attention. I will say though that site #1 as noted on the feature map covered a fairly large area with about eight recognizable rooms. Site #2 only consisted of a heavily overgrown broad flat shelf against a section of the upper cliff face. The only evidence of ruins was a barely visible build-up rock wall set out from the cliff maybe twenty feet with a length of about twenty yards across the face. The rock wall was nearly buried in oak trees and vegetation. The setting was very similar to a large elevated porch. It was unmistakable that "something" once existed there, however "what" was difficult to determine. This kind of stuff is so mysterious. My mind just gets lost in how life unfolded during that time period. Salado ruins are about 600-700 years old on average. It's hard to imagine that every tree and bush that I can see did not exist when these ruins were occupied. Even the oldest sycamore will typically only last 400-500 years. An old oak may last 300 years in a protected canyon. What did the land look like back then? Can we really even imagine? Just the fact that these sites are still there is nearly a miracle. The Bear Head site had one intact fragile wall with ancient mortar still in place. Just lightly pushing on that wall could bring it down. I've seen some cool rarely visited ruin sites over the last two years. This stuff tends to get in your blood. Hunting unregistered ruin sites can almost become an addiction.

Both Bear Head and Oak Creek were such incredible hikes that I feel like an idiot for putting them off as long as I have. The Oak Creek loop was enjoyable from start to finish for me. We were in beautiful live oak trees for much of the entire hike and the scenery was grand. A few nice sycamores didn't hurt either. This hike ended up far exceeding my expectations. The rugged cliff face route was a playground and the bushwhacking was very manageable by my standards. Steep gullies and rock towers hugged the massive cliff face making for some very interesting and fun route finding. So cool! The nice return route through middle Oak creek revealed some sweet red rock canyon that wrapped up the hike very nicely. Just another great day in the Sierra Ancha Mountains! They never disappoint.


Eric (ssk44) :GB:
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Ref: Google Earth area overview photos-
http://hikearizona.com/photo.php?ZIP=225837
http://hikearizona.com/photo.php?ZIP=225838

On the prowl again with Eric in another scenic, remote, and rugged section of our Sierra Ancha Mountains 13.3 miles drive in from the intersection of Hwy 188/Pumpkin Center.

At home for months I had been viewing these above linked Google Earth images of Peak 5525 (with its interesting cliff areas) and viewing in person from a distance on other area exploration hikes with Eric. I just had a good feeling about this location being prime for some ancient Salado Indian Ruin sites and even more interesting some possible cliff dwelling finds. I kept prodding and we finally had this one on the calendar :D

As my picset will confirm, on this 12/10 exploratory loop hike we located three areas where evidence of ancient Salado Ruins foundation structures once existed with no cliff dwellings noted but of course there is no way to know what we might have overlooked on this adventure due to time, overgrowth, and the rugged terrain constraints. I departed the area this rewarding day thinking there must be more up there..??

A filling and reasonable priced dinner meal with a bottomless- ice tea glass/lemon/sugar container at the casual and historic "Butcher Hook Restaurant" in Tonto Center (located 5 miles from the north end of Lake Roosevelt) sealed another excellent day of remote day hiking and ruins exploration :DANCE:

PS- I contributed to "cyber" Monday sales this year with an early approval from Santa for a new, smaller, but high tech loaded pocket camera, "the Canon S95" which replaced the S90 and was replaced in Aug'11 by the new Canon S100. Some respected camera reviewers label my new S95 to be the "second" best pocket camera in the world.. If so, and on its first outing with me today, it is obvious to me that I still have a lot to learn ;)
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