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Moody Point Ruins via Deep Creek TR#128 - 3 members in 9 triplogs have rated this an average 3.7 ( 1 to 5 best )
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Deep Creek Trail #128Globe, AZ
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The last time I was in this area, I spotted the Moody Point ruins from a distance, however, there was not enough time to scramble over to them and check them out. I was finally able to make it over there today. I drove up on Friday and got to the trailhead late, but the goal was to start as early as possible to beat the heat and I would rather drive a little into the night than get up at 3:30 in the morning to drive to a hike. With the advantage of sleeping at the trailhead, we were able to start at 6 on the dot and I was able to sleep in past five.

The hike to the off trail traverse to the ruins went by pretty quickly, but the traverse was a little more tedious than I expected and it seemed to have taken longer than it should of. But it may have just felt longer because of the direct sunlight that baked us along the south facing route. The ruins were pretty impressive in my opinion and they had some interesting and unique qualities, but I kept my tour brief, so I could get Cup back to the car before the trail really heated up. The hike back was a little warm, but the cool breeze mitigated that a little. I carried a ton of water and even cached some on the way in because I was worried about the heat, but it ended up staying just cool enough for Cup and we were back at the car a little after 12 and that was even after several rolling shade breaks for Cup along the way.

I had hoped to link up with Larry and some HAZers after my hike, but they were on another hike and not expecting to finish until around five, so I headed back to Phoenix. I planned on exploring another site in the area, but I was just happy to get a tough 12 miles out of Cup and did not want to push it, so as with most of my hikes out here, I will probably return.

Bear Sighting

I saw a bear on the drive in. It was probably close to five miles in on FR 203. I know they frequent the desert, but this was my first sighting at that low of an elevation, so I found it kind of cool, as I am not accustomed to seeing them with saguaros. Had I not spent the first ten seconds telling myself it was a cow, I could have got a great picture!
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GrasshopperTriplogs 578
Hiking6.00 Miles 1,750 AEG
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Sierra Ancha Wilderness - Bull Canyon Trailhead
(trail start at the end of FR203A)

Ref: Oregon_Hiker triplog summary & picset- :next: [ triplog ]

All was going as planned hiking in this very scenic, historic, off trail area until I started through a heavy bushwhack, dense vegetation area going in and up the Bull Canyon Ridgeline. In the process of getting through this short but difficult section, my beloved camera (a Canon SX700 HS) with three full, previous days of hikes and camp pics on the SD Card somehow fell out of my camera's Lowepro holder :cry:

I have posted my GPS Hike Route above and here [ gps route ] , edited for correctness, with all key waypoints which also includes two(2) waypoints for my hike route section "Start Search" and "End Search" where, within this hiking section, my lost camera should reside:

Hiking in "Start" Camera Search: N33.77786° W110.86363°
Hiking in "End" Camera Search: N33.77871° W110.86276°

If any qualified HAZer(s) has an interest in planning to do this remote, mostly off-trail hike, I would much appreciate you downloading my Gps Route, closely following it (the going in "search" route section is more important to closely follow), keeping a lookout 8-[ for my lost Canon camera.

Thank you!
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Coon Spring Trail #124Globe, AZ
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In Search of Ancients - Coon Spring Trail #124 March 2012
A trek to the Sierra Ancha led to some speculative talk about the potential of unknown to us cliff dwellings in a seemly prime location => [ photo ]

I sent a PM to Hank (aka Grasshopper) =>

With my curiosity piqued with this "find", I spent the evening pouring over my dog eared copy of Rich Lange's "Echoes in the Canyon". From what I can tell, Lange didn't venture up the Coon Creek drainage beyond Coon Spring.

The only cataloged cliff dwellings in Coon Creek are Nordhoff-Hope [ Nordhoff-Hope Cliff Dwelling/SiteV:1:170 ] and Hematite House [ Coon Creek Ruins ]

I was trying to place your photo location onto a topo map. I think the alcove in the photo located approximately @ 33.789765 and -110.907145

Thoughts? You can twist my arm for a reconnaissance mission. No hockey games or opera this weekend...
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Hank digitally enhanced some images and put together an off-trail route to this promising alcove. With an agreed upon rendezvous at 7am Saturday at the Holiday Inn at Hwy 60 and Country Club, Hank, Erik (aka ssk44), and I consolidated our gear into my F150 and we were off to the Bull Canyon TH at the edge of the Sierra Ancha Wilderness.

We start off on the quarter mile segment of Deep Creek Trail #128 and soon reach the intersection with Coon Creek Trail #124. Another mile along Coon Creek Trail #124 where we see a likely game trail to take us up along the planned ridgeline bushwhack up to the alcove. We come across evidence of a hunting camp (left over sleeping bag, beer cooler, and coke cans - come on, pack out your feces!) - or was it a feeble attempt at some cannabis farming? We soon come upon "Elk Dell" with plenty of evidence of elkian habitation - elk pellets, antlers, maybe a vertebrae or two... => [ photo ]

We then come upon an expansive scree field making for some interesting scrambles up to the cliff line and the alcoves. With much "poking around" and some debate about are we or are we not at the alcove depicted in the digitally enhanced photo. A hidden cave shows some promise, but no obvious evidence of ancient habitation. The collapsed overhang could have buried all evidence of the ancients. We saw no rock art, no ceramics, no corn husks or other evidence...

With 2:30pm upon us and our agreed turnaround time, we head down stream to a potential minor cliff line to rule out one last possible location. Nothing there and we join our GPS path back to the trail head.

Well we leave with no definitive proof of ancient habitation at these sites, but we certainly had an exhilarating trek into the Sierra Ancha! Couple of choice beverages at the TH after an estimated 8+ miles off-trail and 2600+ feet AEG until Hank posts the actuals from his GPS. We head out along FR203A and FR203 in darkness and an approaching winter storm. Our efforts to get a meal in Miami, Superior, and Gold Canyon are all thwarted - what's with everyone closing kitchens at 8pm on a Saturday night? Oh well, great excuse getting together with Hank and Erik again to hit the trails and finish up with a choice meal (before 8pm)...

PS. See that Hank posted the GPS route for FR203A drive to the TH => GPS :: Drive to Bull Cyn TH for TRs 124 & 128 and our off-trail hike => GPS :: Coon Spring Trail #124
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Moody Point Ruins via Deep Creek TR#128Globe, AZ
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Hiking10.20 Miles 1,300 AEG
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Alex and I finally made it out to the Bull Canyon TH to hike the Deep Creek Trail with no rain in the forecast. The weather was very sunny, although a little hazy when you looked long distances. The morning was very cool, but once we started walking we warmed up right away.

We hiked the entirety of the Deep Creek Trail to the junction with the Moody Point Trail, where we had lunch. Since we had just seen the ruins back in November, we weren't up for that adventure again today. On our way back, we hiked up a small section of the Coon Spring Trail #124 to see how that looked. I had some confusion that trail was decommissioned, but apparently is the Coon Creek Trail #254 on the western end of that trail that is gone now. Both the Deep Creek Trail and the section of the Coon Spring were in great shape. The Deep Creek Trail fades a little bit in sections after it crosses Deep Creek, but is still very easy to follow.

The views of the buttes north of the trail provided some of the best scenery on the hike. Most of the hike had alternating sections of pinyon pines and chapparal bushes. At the creek crossings there was the typically heavier vegetation, but nothing that caused major bushwhacking headaches. On our way back just north of Deep Creek we accidently got off trail and found a full cattle tank.

Looking forward soon to going back to this TH to hike the Coon Spring Trail and also maybe hit the Nordoff-Hope Cliff Dwellings along FR203A that I forgot were there when we did this hike.
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Moody Point Trail #140Globe, AZ
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This was a hike that I was very glad I did, but I was also very glad when we were done. The majority of the trail is very steep with loose rock, which makes for the perfect combination of making the trail just as hard to hike in either direction. But at least there were prickly pear cactii overgrown into many spots on the trail so we didn't get bored or anything. Jim enjoyed this more than anyone since living in CA for the last year made him forget that long pants in the Tonto NF is NOT OPTIONAL. Even in summer.

Finding where the trail starts from FR203 is tough because there is no trail marker at the terminus. We did discover at the end, however, that there is a large cairn marking it. The cairn is more wide than tall, so it doesn't really stand out at 8am in the shade. We started by the hairpin curve in the road by the ranch and down the wash that drains into Cherry Creek and soon made our way out of it and onto the trail. After crossing Cherry Creek, the track that Joe edited for us led us to a spot that was totally choked with vegetation. This part of the track was apparently done by wally and nonot. I had the official track in my GPS, but forgot to hit the "Show on Map" button on my GPS. On the way back we had it all figured out.

We actually made it all the way to our turn around point from our July 10 hike from the upper end. As we passed the ruins, we could see the route to take from below, which is supposed to be the easiest. Where we stopped on the trail, however, was on the ridge up above the ruins. And the ascent up on the trail was murderous. The shrubs were brutal making it really hard to hike thru. To hike back down thru that and then back up from the trail from below the ruins seemed like too much work. So once we got to where we could see over the edge, we made our way down from above. It was a little dicey at times and slow going, but we got there fairly quickly. Definitely made the right decision.

By the time Jim, Alex and I had got to the ruins, John and Joe had already left and Denny was soon to follow. While taking the obligatory pics, I noticed a pull tab lid from some can which I hauled out. The hike down to the trail from the ruins was pretty treacherous. Instead of taking the suggested GPS route, we just more or less surfed the loose rock and dirt until we could stand up without the risk of tumbling downhill. Before our descent, I spotted John at the bottom of the steepest part and tried to call to him to ask advice on which approach to take. It was at this point that Joe, who was already on the trail, decided to try to interrupt and yell advice from a quarter mile away. Because he's such a nice guy and everything. So for the next 15 minutes there was a lot of yelling up and down the hillside that can't make it past the pumpkin filter for this triplog.

The prickly pears along this trail also seemed to have some really heavy duty spikes. On the way up I got one stuck thru my boot and into my foot. I had to stop, push it all the way thru and pull it out from the inside. On the way back about 50 yds from the same spot, Alex had the exact same thing happen to him. He went down so fast and yelled so loudly when it happened that Jim thought he got bit by a snake. Thankfully no scenes from City Slickers needed to be re-enacted.

This ended up being a very nice time and a very fun, very rugged hike. Thanks to everyone who made it out.
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Moody Point Ruins via Deep Creek TR#128Globe, AZ
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Real good hike with the trail to ourselves. Though that isn't a surprise as the trail looks lightly used by humans. The areas where the trail faded a steady eye will locate the cairns fairly easily. Though, in some areas, as the description notes, they are below the grass. It is still not too bad to follow as game use it often. The only change I would recommend is in leaving the ruins. We saw no reason to hike back down and up again via the trail. If you're ok with a little scrambling and minor climbing, just follow the cliff west. You'll be able to pick your way through the brush and climb a few rocks to have yourself right back on the plateau. We popped up near a juniper that you'll pass on your hike out, a touch before the saddle you skirt before heading down. There's a cairn nearby. From that tree you could head southeast down the cliff to get to the ruins as well.

The ruins were real pleasant. As amazing as Chaco and others are, I always prefer to sit quietly at the undeveloped ruins far from easy human access. Quite a spot these guys had, sweet views. Had a pleasant chill here. Remaining timbers in nice shape. The site was surveyed in '89 and '98 and it's suggested there were 2 stories in some spots.

Great day animal-wise. Two black-tailed rattlers right off the bat. In all my years this was the first time one took a strike at me. Slow suckers. The trail was made out of dirt and bear scat. Not sure I've seen this much on a trail. After finding some prints on the hike in I knew it was only a matter of time. We left the ruins around 4ish, setting ourselves up for prime animal time. Sure enough a few hundred yards in front of us a blackie was moseying around a meadow munching. Usually stumble on bears within 20-30 yards, so this was real nice to sit back for a half hour and watch her do her thing. Superb. Coachwhip, dead gophersnake, heard but didn't see a deer, and a steady dose of bats escorting us out once the sun was down. No raptors, not even a vulture. Few lizards, horned at the TH. FR 203A on the drive out had at least a dozen nighthawks sitting pleasantly. If the rocks and death drop don't keep you driving slow, the nighthawks will.

Great day/night overall. Sierra Anchas may be my favorite range for rugged and remote hikes filled with mystery. Not sure I've ever left them without finding bear/cougar sign or seeing one or seeing a seldom visited ruin. Awesome part of the state.
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This seldom mentioned and hiked Sierra Ancha Wilderness- Deep Creek TR#128 provides a 3rd way to access the ~700 year old Salado Cliff Dwelling/Ruins Site up from the Moody Point TR#140. As I discussed in my HAZ hike description for this in and out hike, I do believe this 5 mile(one way) trail provides a better option than hiking to these ruins from either the north TH access at the Workman's Creek area via the Moody Point TR or the south TH access at the Leisure TH(off Cherry Creek RD-FR203) via the Moody Point Trail.

Depending on your interests and hiking level, this day hike would be a nice drive and day outing just hiking in 5 miles on the cairned, easy to follow and scenic Deep Creek TR to its intersection with the Moody Point TR(at 5450ft), then returning back to your beginning TH start at the remote Bull Canyon TH(at 4825ft).

For those wanting more of a hiking challenge with additional payoffs for more effort required, then consider doing this entire 6.4ml one way route via an interesting and challenging route-finding hike (with ?trail? overgrowth) by continuing down the Moody Point Trail and up to this ancient cliff dwelling site. This complete 12.8ml R/T hike will assure you a real workout with only +722ft of elevation gain, but with enough trail and off trail "ups and downs" to tally an AEG of 3927ft..see this hike description's "elevation profile" for what your body will surely confirm :sweat: and still a very enjoyable and rewarding hike!

Just wish I could find a way to entice more of you into experiencing our wonderful Sierra Ancha Wilderness trails! Ken and I have one more published S/A trail hike to have finally completed them all over a past 3.5 year effort. Maybe after final completion, a celebration dinner at Joe and Preston's favorite-Chalo's La Casa Reynoso in Globe, or Al's favorite- Guayo's El Rey in Miami.. :DANCE:
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The hike was very easy until the last 1/4 bushwack to the ruins. I went straight up scree field. The angle felt like it was 45 degrees! We went down a wash and think thats the better way to go.
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