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Kinder Crossing Trail #19 - East Access - 8 members in 11 triplogs have rated this an average 3.3 ( 1 to 5 best )
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Aug 03 2024
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45 female
 Joined Dec 24 2007
 Ahwatukee, AZ
Kinder - Horse loop, AZ 
Kinder - Horse loop, AZ
 
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LindaAnnTriplogs 2,600
Hiking9.39 Miles 1,575 AEG
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My first real hike back in AZ, and Bruce thought I should ease into it. Wally and I carpooled from Mesa up to Bruce’s cabin, and we rode with Bruce from there to the Kinder trailhead. The final half mile of road is rough, but Subaruable, although might be a little tougher after rain. We passed one parked Tacoma, whose driver had wimped out.

The hike down to Kinder Crossing from the west was nice. Trail was easy to follow, rocky in places, but fine. At the water, Bruce declared to water level to be higher than usual, making his desired crossing point deeper than expected. It would have been a swim, not a wade. We wandered back and forth, looking for a better crossing, and also found the two hikers from the Tacoma, who were also looking for a way across. We finally carefully scrambled across some rocks, making it to the other side, leaving behind the two hikers who were apparently made of sugar and unwilling to risk getting wet.

Vegetation was thick along the creek, lots of pushing thru brush. Lots of hidden holes in the ground, making for unstable footing in many places. We didn’t bother with keeping our feet dry, and the cold water felt good on the thorn scratched legs.

The trail was pretty vague heading up the east access trail. Again, lots of brush, and downed trees higher up. High cloud cover most of the day was much appreciated. Walking the forest roads over to the east access for Horse Crossing went by quickly.

Descending the east Horse Crossing trail was another adventure in almost non-existent trail, thorny vegetation, and downed trees. Climbing over some of the burnt trees made me glad I was already wearing black. Probably the toughest section of the day.

Once at the water, we splashed thru it again, then fought more brush to get over to the trail leading west. The climb out was on a fairly visible trail and mostly clear. Clouds were building, but none were an imminent threat. Again, once up top, it was easy road walking to complete the loop. It was a nice loop, but would definitely benefit from some trail clearing.
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 Far NE Phoenix,
Kinder - Horse - Pivot, AZ 
Kinder - Horse - Pivot, AZ
 
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The_EagleTriplogs 2,762
Hiking12.50 Miles 1,764 AEG
Hiking12.50 Miles   5 Hrs   54 Mns   2.21 mph
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Spent some time in the high country to take these two on trails they've not traveled on before. The drive down FR95 is easy and mainly smooth and drive-able by any vehicle. FR95T requires HC. If no HC,park out by FR95 and it'll add .6 mile each way.

Down the Kinder Crossing Trail is a bit steep in places, but mild compared to what was to come. The first crossing of the East Verde is not totally obvious and always seems to take a few tries to find it.

We hiked across the camping area and it took a few tries to find a dry way across the next section. This area, at the entrance of Yeager Canyon, is a special area. We were able to find a dry path across.

That was the end of the dry and brush free sections. The section between the west and the climb out on the East Kinder trail was a lot more overgrown than in past hikes. There used to be use trails along this section. Now, wet crossings, crawdads and brush were the norm.

We mostly stayed on the faint trail for the climb out on the East Kinder Trail, except where downed trees forced a slight detour. The two track walk to the Horse Crossing trail was a nice respite.

The east side of Horse Crossing is now a cluster. I did this trail 14 years ago with Deb. I wouldn't even think about it now with her. This may be my last time. Blackened fallen trees from the Tinder fire become annoying fast. As does the trail hiding vegetation. Although climbing over the trees did earn Linda a new nickname.

I couldn't even find this sign from 3 years ago. [ photo ] . (I couldn't find anything on this group, or this guy, that fit. I'd love to send them this photo.)

The section in the East Verde from the East Horse Crossing trail to the West section, was non-existent. There used to be a well defined path through here.

We walked through the camp of a couple of fly fishermen that was on the lower beginning of the West Horse Crossing Trail. The trail up, was easy to follow with minimal trees to hop over.

Once up top and on the two track, it was clear sailing back to the Ru.

We were lucky to have clouds for the majority of the hike. It kept the temps very nice.

On the way back to Pine we stopped at Pivot Rock, because Wally said in his best Boy Scout leaders voice "That thing's going down!".

Good hiking with these two again... including Tyrone.
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water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water less than max Yeager Canyon Medium flow Medium flow
Nothing in Yeager at the confluence with East Verde. East Verde had a nice flow
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Kinder - Horse - Pivot, AZ 
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wallyfrackTriplogs 1,691
Hiking12.50 Miles 1,764 AEG
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Every once in a while it's good to go north and hike. The temperature was nice relative to the valley. Bruce is showing signs of memory loss. He didn't remember this many downed trees, he didn't remember the water being this high, he didn't remember this much vegetation or course Bruce may have a different take on it. :lol: I suppose it's possible the conditions were different last time. We must have stepped and climbed over 100 trees but whose was counting. Definitely bring a GPS track for Kinder/Horse and if you're looking for poison ivy you may be looking up at it so familiarize what the underside of the leaf looks like. On the positive side the views are great, no one got lost, SR 87 remained open all day and it was fun exchanging digs. The side trip to Pivot Rock/Spring was good. The temperature had risen by then but it was a short hike. The rock doesn't actually pivot so you may need some WD-40 to break it loose. It was nice to catch up with Linda and Bruce. For the record, I had nothing to do with the Wally fire.
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Kinder Crossing - Horse Crossing Loop, AZ 
Kinder Crossing - Horse Crossing Loop, AZ
 
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The_EagleTriplogs 2,762
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I had a route all drawn up to check out the Kinder burn from the Tinder fire and check out some new areas.

At the TH, I realized I never downloaded it to Route Scout.

So plan B
I'd do the the Kinder/Horse Crossing Loop that I'd done quite a while ago... from memory.

The burn is quite obvious as soon as you hit the TH. If you look to the positive in everything, the fire opened up the views, but there were so many trees burned from a totally needless act.

I got to the creek and there were a couple of campsites in use. A hi and a wave returned blank stares.
For the most part there are use trails to follow in the creek bed. I made my way over to the Kinder Crossing East section and made my way up the other side of the canyon. This trail is relatively easy to follow to the top.

From here, It is a couple of FR's to get to the Horse Crossing Trail. There's a sign out by the road that points to where the trail begins, but is is not very obvious. I followed an old 2 track, thinking that was the way to the trail, but when I got close to the rim, it didn't look right. I went off trail to the north until I got to the correct area. It was faint, but I picked up the trail.

Once back in ECC, the trail became more overgrown. I couldn't find the spot to cross to keep my feet dry, so I just plodded across. I made a stop at the pools by the campsite at the bottom of Horse Creek Crossing and then made my way up. The burn here looked to be worse.

Up top and on another FR, I made a call to take a short cut back to the car. I was recording the track I was hiking, so I could see where I started and where I needed to go. But there were no maps on the phone. I knew this wasn't what I was looking to do, when I could see the canyon rim above me across the way. This actually was one of the cool parts of the day. I decided to follow it down and see how far I could get. I made it close to ECC, before hitting a 40' dryfall. It looked like I could have gotten around to the right, but being alone and needing to get back because we had friends coming over to watch the game (damn Suns), I bailed. A steep scurry to the top of the canyon, and I was back to the car.
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 Phoenix, AZ
East Clear Creek - FR95 to Kinder CrossingPayson, AZ
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Hiking11.00 Miles 350 AEG
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Nice temperatures, not too brushy.
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Sep 05 2016
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 Joined Mar 06 2016
 Salt River Valle
Kinder Crossing Trail #19Payson, AZ
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Hiking1.95 Miles 584 AEG
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Labor Day weekend, and we were the only ones here. The cascade is a great place to chill in the summer time! Especially if you're looking for something easy and close to the highway.

dry Yeager Canyon Dry Dry
Dry at the confluence. However, ECC was flowing moderately. Baseflow for summer season.
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 Tempe, AZ
ECC Blue Ridge to Horse Crossing Loop, AZ 
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chumleyTriplogs 1,993
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Two hours of breaks. That was the theme today. ;)

I agree with Joel's description: the section of ECC from 95 to Kinder is probably the most scenic. We were able to bypass the swimmer on the cliffs on the left. Surprisingly there was nobody at Kinder. Or Horse. Though we spotted two people down that way later after we had climbed out of the canyon and were taking another break.

We hit the Pokéstop at Moqui and enjoyed some suspicious lunch from Joe's duffel but were disappointed to find somebody had molested the disc at the old Blue Ridge tower site. Skirted private property down to the lake. It looked super busy, but it appeared most people didn't venture past the boat ramp, with only 5-6 watercraft between there and the dam.

Speaking of the dam. Damn! Hadn't ever been down below it before and it's impressive. The flow in ECC downstream is the result of a single 3" pipe. Probably a required output as part of the SRP agreement. Luckily ECC has numerous seeps and springs along the way that slowly add more flow. The first half mile from the dam is an unpleasant bouldery mess. It gets better/typical after that.

Nice to cover a 10-mile stretch in the creek today. Thanks to Eagle for drawing it up and driving, and to Joe for sitting in back. :)
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Kinder Crossing Trail #19 - East AccessPayson, AZ
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Made it in to a good campsite Friday night, just down the road a bit from Kinder Crossing Trail on the east side. There's a pretty cool campsite right at the trailhead, but I chose one a bit further back down the road.
Dropped down the trail Saturday morning and headed downstream. There are numerous campsites along the creek as you might expect. I chose a nice one with a huge deep hole, downstream about a mile below Horse Crossing trail. I saw a few people on Saturday that came down Horse Crossing, and two set up camp about a 1/2 mile downstream from me, at the site with the cobblestone pathway.
Hiking out Sunday was uneventful and I saw no one at all. The place was surprisingly empty given the heat and great swimming and fishing spots along this creek.

I think further exploration downstream, possibly to Leonard Canyon is in order for a future trip.
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Kinder Horse Loop, AZ 
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Planned on doing a loop utilizing the Kinder and Horse Crossing trails across East Clear Creek. From what I had read, I didn't expect to find a route at all on the two eastern trails, but was pleasantly surprised to find both trailheads signed and both trails well-marked, well-traveled, and well-maintained.

I didn't remember there being so much water, but didn't realize how much higher it was until getting home and looking at photos from previous trips. I'm not sure where the water is coming from--it hasn't rained up there in several days, so it wasn't recent storm runoff, and the reservoir is nearly empty and is not feeding the creek. Whereas previous trips you could cross the creek by rock-hopping, this time required wading in water over waist deep and fighting a surprisingly strong current. The strong current resulted in a dangerous mishap to one of us, but I'll let him explain it in his own triplog.

The roads used to make the loop connections to the two trails are pretty boring but go by fairly quickly. We missed where the trail crosses the creek at Horse Crossing, but managed to get across just about where it starts heading up the east side. I went back to find where we were supposed to cross and found the spot, but there is no way I would have tried to cross there. The depth and current made it unsafe. Where we crossed was a bit wider and just shallow enough to keep the boys dry. Which was important as the water was Colorado River cold. 9L and I both had numb legs and feet after crossing -- after just 15-20 seconds in the water. I know it was not over 55, and may have been in the upper 40s. That was very surprising to me for mid-summer up there!

All in all a great day though. Better than the other hike alternative proposed for this weekend!
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Kinder Horse Loop, AZ 
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Nice day spent in the high country. Our original plan was to follow East Clear Creek to the north and return via the Horse Crossing Trail. We started hiking up the creek and found the vegetation very thick and difficult. On top of the that the creek was flowing high and fast. We decided to change our plan and make a loop using forest roads. This turned out to be a great option. This loop involved Kinder Crossing and Horse Crossing. We had to cross the creek twice and the water came up to our thighs. It was very cold, my legs were numb by the time I reached the other side. Besides that everything was straightforward. The trails leading to and from both crossings are in good shape and easy to follow. They're steep though. Nice day in the cooler temps!
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East Clear Creek Kinder Loop, AZ 
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I've been wanting to find the eastern trail and TH for Kinder Crossing since my last attempt in 2010. Also wanted to see some more of the East Clear Creek area, because it's pretty special.

I saw an old trail line on the MyTOPO layer that looked like it should be the eastern trail out of East Clear Creek. I drew it up in Route Manager, loaded it in my GPS, and hit the road.

Funny thing happened (at least for me) if you make the drive to the East side of East Clear Creek, you can actually follow signs to the Eastern TH. :sl: . What a novel idea! The road you take to get to the TH does not show up on TOPO maps, but is very obvious in Satellite view.
The trail I'd drawn up off of MyTopo was in an entirely different location. That'll have to wait for another trip up there to see if it exists.

The trail down the East side of Kinder Is well signed at the top, Cairned getting down to the creek. If someone was trying to find this route going up from the creek, it would be near impossible without a GPS track.

The views for the walkabout in the creek were superb. Green everywhere, water everywhere, high canyon walls with interesting rock formations, just a pleasant walk downstream going North. We passed up numerous top notch empty campsites and only a pair of fishermen for humans on our almost 6 mile walk in the creek.

Most of it was actually not IN the creek. There were game/fishermen's trails most of the way. There were only a few spots North of Horse Crossing Trail, where it was mandatory to walk in the creek. I'd suggest that if you go, plan on crossing the water and getting wet. It takes less time than looking for a dry spot to cross and sooner or later you are going to get wet. Nothing was deeper that calf high.

We found one campsite where someone had taken a lot of time to make a crayfish catcher and fish spear. http://hikearizona.com/photo.php?ZIP=269856

On the Northern end of our loop, we exited the creek to the west and followed FR's back south to the Kinder Crossing Trail. Kinder Crossing is a special area down by the creek. It can also be popular with non-hikers in street shoes.

I was glad to finally be able to find the eastern Kinder Crossing Trail and enjoy another day in the East Clear Creek area. Thanks for joining my Joe, and for not even once complaining all day.
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